Impeachment Trial... Questions phase

[Slade3200]

5 questions in and it looks like the Dems are owning the Reps. They called out a blatant lie that Trump tweeted when he claimed the Dems never asked Bolton to testify. Then they used videos of the White House lawyers complaining about lack of facts and lack of first hand witnesses to show their hypocrisy for wanting to block Bolton from talking. Pathetic

WH needs to step it up, they are snoozing

I really like when Schiff stated that Bolton wasn't subpoenaed because his lawyer would sue to keep that from happening, and it could lengthen the impeachment by years.

I thought he wanted the facts?

He does want facts and is closer to getting Bolton to testify in the senate than he would have been if he went to court in the house. Bolton was gonna sue the house subpoena. He has public ally stated he would comply with a senate subpoena.

Post Hoc rationalizing.

I don't think you understand the meaning of post hoc.
What I stated was all true. What about it do you contest?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

They didn't, dope. Trump's legal team made up excuses for them not to comply with subpoenas. EP was not one of them.

"Making excuses" means showing the reason the subpoenas weren't legal. Laws are just "excuses" if they get in the way of the Dim agenda.

That is not a valid reason. There is no law , rule or regulation that requires a full vote in the house to issue subpoenas. Pure nonsense.
The president doesn't get to decide how the House conducts investigations or impeachment.

Yes there is, turd. I have already quoted it

Contempt of Congress - Wikipedia

As announced in Wilkinson v. United States,[9] a Congressional committee must meet three requirements for its subpoenas to be "legally sufficient." First, the committee's investigation of the broad subject area must be authorized by its chamber;​

That is not a law, dope.

From your link:
"Congressional rules empower all its standing committees with the authority to compel witnesses to produce testimony and documents for subjects under its jurisdiction. Committee rules may provide for the full committee to issue a subpoena, or permit subcommittees or the chairman (acting alone or with the ranking member) to issue subpoenas."

Who's the dope?
Is the constitution not the supreme law of the land, dope.
There's precedent and under our legal system based on English common law, precedent carries weight under the law.
This ain't France, shitforbrains. And if you need to ask about that, don't you'll just look all the more stupid.

LOL...
There's tons of precedent stating that the president must comply with congressional subpoenas as well, dope.

 

[The Original Tree]

Totally! That is exactly what he said!

BREAKING: Adam Schiff says Obama should be impeached for investigating Trump.

But he did it accidentally.

— Carpe Donktum\uD83D\uDD39 (@CarpeDonktum) January 29, 2020

 

[Slade3200]

5 questions in and it looks like the Dems are owning the Reps. They called out a blatant lie that Trump tweeted when he claimed the Dems never asked Bolton to testify. Then they used videos of the White House lawyers complaining about lack of facts and lack of first hand witnesses to show their hypocrisy for wanting to block Bolton from talking. Pathetic

WH needs to step it up, they are snoozing

I really like when Schiff stated that Bolton wasn't subpoenaed because his lawyer would sue to keep that from happening, and it could lengthen the impeachment by years.

I thought he wanted the facts?

He does want facts and is closer to getting Bolton to testify in the senate than he would have been if he went to court in the house. Bolton was gonna sue the house subpoena. He has public ally stated he would comply with a senate subpoena.

What will keepBolton from suing the Senate subpoena?

he can if he wants. And then the senate would vote to settle how to handle it.

 

[Slade3200]

Per
Adam
Schiff:

“We didn’t pursue constitutional challenges to subpoenas because it would have dragged out things for months even a year, so we want the Senate to be tied up for months or even a year doing our work for us.”

5 questions in and it looks like the Dems are owning the Reps. They called out a blatant lie that Trump tweeted when he claimed the Dems never asked Bolton to testify. Then they used videos of the White House lawyers complaining about lack of facts and lack of first hand witnesses to show their hypocrisy for wanting to block Bolton from talking. Pathetic

WH needs to step it up, they are snoozing

I really like when Schiff stated that Bolton wasn't subpoenaed because his lawyer would sue to keep that from happening, and it could lengthen the impeachment by years.

I thought he wanted the facts?

He does want facts and is closer to getting Bolton to testify in the senate than he would have been if he went to court in the house. Bolton was gonna sue the house subpoena. He has public ally stated he would comply with a senate subpoena.

The senate wouldn’t get tied up like the house. They would make the determination on how to handle privilege, not a federal judge. The process is different.

 

[Nostra]

Per
Adam
Schiff:

“We didn’t pursue constitutional challenges to subpoenas because it would have dragged out things for months even a year, so we want the Senate to be tied up for months or even a year doing our work for us.”

5 questions in and it looks like the Dems are owning the Reps. They called out a blatant lie that Trump tweeted when he claimed the Dems never asked Bolton to testify. Then they used videos of the White House lawyers complaining about lack of facts and lack of first hand witnesses to show their hypocrisy for wanting to block Bolton from talking. Pathetic

WH needs to step it up, they are snoozing

I really like when Schiff stated that Bolton wasn't subpoenaed because his lawyer would sue to keep that from happening, and it could lengthen the impeachment by years.

I thought he wanted the facts?

He does want facts and is closer to getting Bolton to testify in the senate than he would have been if he went to court in the house. Bolton was gonna sue the house subpoena. He has public ally stated he would comply with a senate subpoena.

The senate wouldn’t get tied up like the house. They would make the determination on how to handle privilege, not a federal judge. The process is different.

Really? The Senate determines Executive Privilege?

Link?

 

[BluesLegend]

Best Line of the day came from Hakeem Bin What’s His Name:

When asked why The House did not challenge The President on his assertions of Executive Privilege!

“We didn’t challenge executive privilege because the President never exerted executive privilege!”

LMAO!

These people are both stupid, dishonest, desperate and despicable!

Then this Hitler Demings bitch tries to explain why Obama made Ukraine give up its nuclear arsenal right before Obama gave Putin a wink and a nod to take over Crimea and invade Ukraine.

They didn't, dope. Trump's legal team made up excuses for them not to comply with subpoenas. EP was not one of them.

Constitutional law is "made up excuses"? House Dem subpoenas were invalid under the law and House Dems elected not to challenge the White House in court because they knew they would lose.

LOL...
What "constitutional law" would that be?

The law Dems ignore. A full vote of the House is REQUIRED to grant a committee the authority to issue subpoenas. Pelosi does not have the power to ignore this law wave a wand and give a committee this authority. Hence the subpoenas are invalid. The White House informed House Dems of this, they ignored it.

 

[The Original Tree]

I’m already declaring this as a loss for Democrats. Bored with it and Schiff looks desperate!

Schiff is asking you to

“Throw out The Law, Appeals Courts Don’t Matter, Supreme Court Doesn't Matter. Nothing Matters but what we accuse The President of and We Have Supreme Authority Over Everyone!

If you allow the President to assert his Civil Rights, you as The Senate are Obstructing My Impeachment!”

I’m Out!

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Seriously?!
Trump was impeached for obstruction, dope.

Challenging the validity of a subpoena is not obstruction, goofy.

Sure it is. We all know that congress has the authority to issue subpoenas.

And the Executive Branch has the authority to challenge them, Short Bus Rider.

Not all of them in one fell swoop. That has never been done. The authority of congress to issue subpoenas is well established.

All of them? How many were issued?

Not sure of the total but it's over 70.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The discussion was about executive privilege, dope.

That was not why the invalid subpoenas were challenged, Window Licker.

Again, dope. The discussion was about EP and whether or not it was invoked.
Are you asserting it was not?

They didn’t have toinvoke it as they were invalid.

You are really slow.

Thanks for agreeing that EP was never invoked. Please spread the news amonst your retarded bretheren.

Where did I say it was never invoked? I said it was not required to challenge invalid subpoenas.

Learn to read, moron.

LOL...
Sure.

 

[Nostra]

Challenging the validity of a subpoena is not obstruction, goofy.

Sure it is. We all know that congress has the authority to issue subpoenas.

And the Executive Branch has the authority to challenge them, Short Bus Rider.

Not all of them in one fell swoop. That has never been done. The authority of congress to issue subpoenas is well established.

All of them? How many were issued?

Not sure of the total but it's over 70.

That’s a lot of invalid subpoenas. Dimwingers wasted a bunch of time on that, huh?

 

[BluesLegend]

My question for Dem House managers...Dems isn't it true you lawless punks want VETO power over presidential elections? After all you vowed to impeach Trump before he was even sworn into office and proposed multiple resolutions to impeach over the past 3 years.

You’d be laughed out fo the room. Get real Captain Distraction

Translation, liberal butthurt.

 

[Slade3200]

I’m already declaring this as a loss for Democrats. Bored with it and Schiff looks desperate!

Schiff is asking you to

“Throw out The Law, Appeals Courts Don’t Matter, Supreme Court Doesn't Matter. Nothing Matters but what we accuse The President of and We Have Supreme Authority Over Everyone!

If you allow the President to assert his Civil Rights, you as The Senate are Obstructing My Impeachment!”

I’m Out!

Wow, you’re declaring it a loss for the dems?! I’m shocked. That carries as much weight as your mom telling you that youre smart and good looking.

 

[Slade3200]

My question for Dem House managers...Dems isn't it true you lawless punks want VETO power over presidential elections? After all you vowed to impeach Trump before he was even sworn into office and proposed multiple resolutions to impeach over the past 3 years.

You’d be laughed out fo the room. Get real Captain Distraction

Translation, liberal butthurt.

Just staying on point man. When you have to change the subject you’ve lost the argument.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

You are always aware The Executive Privilege is always in effect, right?

The President can also at any time apply EP selectively.

The discussion was about executive privilege, dope.

That was not why the invalid subpoenas were challenged, Window Licker.

Again, dope. The discussion was about EP and whether or not it was invoked.
Are you asserting it was not?

They didn’t have toinvoke it as they were invalid.

You are really slow.

Thanks for agreeing that EP was never invoked. Please spread the news amonst your retarded bretheren.

You are always aware The Executive Privilege is always in effect, right?

It's not. It is invoked when necessary and then it only applies to specific documents or conversations under certain circumstances.

Had they invoked it, they would have to have outlined every document and/conversation that they believe is covered by the privilege.
They did not do that.

 

[MACAULAY]

Moderates ask Trump's team how to decipher Trump's motives

The first question came from a group of crucial Republicans: Sens. Susan Collins (Maine), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Mitt Romney (Utah).

Collins submitted the question for the trio, asking, if Trump had more than one motive for his decision to hold up the aid to Ukraine then "how should the Senate consider more than one motive" in regard to the first impeachment article.

Trump's legal team responded that if senators believe Trump had more than one motive "it's clear that [Democrats'] case fails."

"Once you're into mixed motive land, it's clear that their case fails. There can't possibly be an impeachable offense at all," Patrick Philbin, a lawyer for Trump's team said.

"All elected officials, to some extent, have in mind how their conduct, how their decisions, their policy decision will affect the next election," he continued.

Live coverage: Senators query impeachment managers, Trump defense


It's pretty clear that Trump has reason to suspect the Bidens of corruption. All you have to do is look at the timeline of events regarding the hiring of Hunter Biden and the actions taken before and after that to question what was going on. And that foolish admission by Biden that he got the Ukraine prosecutor fired by telling the Ukrainians they wouldn't get the aid from the US if they didn't, has to be considered grounds for an investigation by the Ukraine. So, even if Trump also had an ulterior motive to go after a political opponent, it's a mixed motive as Philbin says.

________

I think this gets to the heart of the matter.

Blindly Partisan Demo-Socialists never get past the one notion that Trump was after a political opponent.

But, the other end of that issue is that a high officer in a public trust, like Vice President---DOES NOT get a pass from investigation of possible, actually likely, Crimes committed while Vice-President---just because he is running for another office. In fact, if anything, it makes it more important that we find out if we are about to elect a crook.

__________

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Seriously?!
Trump was impeached for obstruction, dope.

Challenging the validity of a subpoena is not obstruction, goofy.

Sure it is. We all know that congress has the authority to issue subpoenas.

And the Executive Branch has the authority to challenge them, Short Bus Rider.

Not all of them in one fell swoop. That has never been done. The authority of congress to issue subpoenas is well established.

If they are all invalid they can all be challenged on that basis.

If they are all invalid they can all be challenged on that basis.

Hmm...."If" is the operative word. Certainly those issued after the passage of the House resolution could not be covered by that excuse. Right?

 

[Nostra]

Challenging the validity of a subpoena is not obstruction, goofy.

Sure it is. We all know that congress has the authority to issue subpoenas.

And the Executive Branch has the authority to challenge them, Short Bus Rider.

Not all of them in one fell swoop. That has never been done. The authority of congress to issue subpoenas is well established.

If they are all invalid they can all be challenged on that basis.

If they are all invalid they can all be challenged on that basis.

Hmm...."If" is the operative word. Certainly those issued after the passage of the House resolution could not be covered by that excuse. Right?

The “if” is for a court to decide, but your House Clowns were too scared to go to court.

Why?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

And Cannot Be Delegated To Committees And Other Nonsense Unless By A Vote And Other Nonsense!

Seriously?!
Trump was impeached for obstruction, dope.

Challenging the validity of a subpoena is not obstruction, goofy.

Sure it is. We all know that congress has the authority to issue subpoenas.

And the Executive Branch has the authority to challenge them, Short Bus Rider.

Not all of them in one fell swoop. That has never been done. The authority of congress to issue subpoenas is well established.

And Cannot Be Delegated To Committees And Other Nonsense Unless By A Vote And Other Nonsense!

Says who?

"Congressional rules empower all its standing committees with the authority to compel witnesses to produce testimony and documents for subjects under its jurisdiction. Committee rules may provide for the full committee to issue a subpoena, or permit subcommittees or the chairman (acting alone or with the ranking member) to issue subpoenas."

 

[the other mike]

Even PBS and local news outlets are all doing the MSM echo chamber spin.