Illegal Employer Problem

[Porter Rockwell]

What does that even mean???

it means you are simply clueless and Causeless.

Just because you are an idiot does not make me clueless or causeless. You are such a simpleton, you call me right wing and you've never had enough common sense to ASK what my cause is. Now, I wouldn't even share that with you without an apology.

I can just laugh my ass off at you for being so smug about your stupidity, thinking you have something beneficial to say.

You are one of those freedom to fascism guys. Basically a libertarian. Libertarians are just the Republicans retarded cousins. In some ways you are better than Republicans but in most ways you are worse.

I'm one of those guys that 20 years ago were called "conservative." I think multidimensional so labels probably won't work for you.

Since I don't do dope and think we're making a BIG mistake, it's hard to fit me into a Libertarian mold. But, if labeling people as a diversion to discussing topics that you fear being wrong about works for you, go for it.

Bruce Jenner doesn't like how Republicans treat gays but that doesn't mean he's not a Republican. You don't like pot? That doesn't mean you aren't a libertarian. Even Ron Paul agrees with you that the income tax is unconstitutional.

Like I said before it doesn't matter if you are a Republican or Libertarian. They're just two different nuts in a mixed bag of nuts.

And you don't get to tell us what you are. We tell you what you are based on your comments. Trust me dude, you're a libertarian.

And like you doubt me, I doubt you make the kind of money you say you make or that you own a business. To me it sounds like you made all that up just to go along with your narrative. Then you tell us an American worker asked you for $500 hr and you hired an illegal for $30 hr? Whatever dude. You sound more like a nut job than a small business owner.

And do you still own the business? You spend way too much time on here to be running a business. I bet your business did go under.

According to the U.S. Small Business Administration, over 50% of small businesses fail in the first year and 95% fail within the first five years.

Dude, I'm in semi-retirement. I think you are hilarious. What country do you live in where self righteous smart asses get to determine what a man is as opposed to the man telling you what he is.

If I come out against drugs and abortion and the Libertarians are cool with that, I might just run as a Libertarian. I'll explain the deal to you:

I got out of the hospital after major surgery. So, I'm in stitches and can't get around. The overflow valve on the water heater goes out and I tell my wife to pick up another one at Home Depot.

I call a plumber that wants $40 to make a "service call." I tell him what's wrong and have the part. He goes to his truck and after 40 minutes he comes back with a "proposal." It was for $240 plus the $40 service charge. I told him that I had already told him I was an ex Seabee. I know what it takes to fix this freaking stuff. I paid him $40 and gave him 40 seconds to be off my property.

I picked up the phone and called the first laborer I had a number for. He came over and changed the overflow out in under 15 minutes. I asked him what I owed him. He said, you think $30 is reasonable?

Now, had Bubba done that job. He would have gotten $280 for a 15 minute job. That puts him at $1,120 an hour. Are there not four 15 minute segments in an hour? Allow for the trip out here and taxes, it works out to about $985 per hour. THAT is why you have undocumented foreigners working jobs, making damn good money and allowing people to be able to live in and keep their homes.

Any person that would allow the Bubbas to take advantage of them are idiots. Poor people; those on fixed incomes; those who are on disability... they cannot afford to pay you a surgeon's wages for a job where the skill set takes six months to learn and their lives aren't at stake. So, those people are traitors for keeping their homes and not leaving it because some redneck with an over sized truck thinks he should be paid as much as a surgeon? You are beyond foolish and anyone that reads your bullshit probably realizes that smokers ARE people with a low IQ.

Right now my business is the ministry. I help people get back on their feet. I help people in poor neighborhoods get repairs done for what they can afford. On my end, I don't make much of anything. I planned for my retirement. But, son, these guys thinking they are going to go into neighborhoods and rip people off to appease folks like you are the real traitors... and so are you for not acknowledging the real problems.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Trump did not make any kind of case. All Donald Trump did was to parrot the Democrats party line message. He conned rednecks with low IQs and exposed how easily duped the average white American really is. He gave you National Socialist "solutions" he got from a white supremacist. Proof? Figure it out:





The people who vote for Democrats are idiots. That is a given. If, for instance, what you think were true why would the bulk of blue collar workers still be voting for the Ds given that above history lesson?

There is NO proof that foreign labor drives down wages. When America had conservative economists (Nobel Prize winners at that) holding a similar view as mine, they were the good guys:

Free to Choose (Milton Friedman, 1980) – The Tyranny of Control

Classically Liberal: What Milton Friedman really said about immigration.

Anti-immigrants quote Friedman up to a certain point. The second link continues where the anti-immigrant argument leaves off.

Because D's are the lesser of two evils when it comes to working class Americans. I'm not going to go dig up all the facts that prove this. It's obvious. Oh and by the way, the middle class was BOOMING when Clinton was president. The middle class struggled under Bush. And I follow politics pretty close to know Bush's policies really fucked the middle class hard.

And please stop telling us laborers that the GOP is the better choice for us. YOU are a business owner. YOU sound like you are rich. So of course you are going to try to con us into believing the party you like best is the party that we should like best. The fact is, over the past few decades the rich have gotten richer and the middle class is shrinking. And you are right, Trump conned stupid white voters into thinking he was going to MAGA. That's a riot huh?

The funny thing is, I'm doing great under the Republican way. Since 2015 I've seen my pay go from $40k when I started to $90K last year. But the rest of the people at my company are still making what they were making in 2015. Of course I quadrupled my companies aftermarket sales so I deserved the raises but the point is, Democrats would say as long as the company is making good profits, every employee should get at least a cost of living raise every year. That's the liberal way. The conservative way says let them work for a decade without raises. And that's where Americans are. If they didn't lose a good job and have to take a shittier one, they're stuck making the same amount they made 10 years ago. They were barely making it then and are just getting by now. And none of them are saving enough for retirement. I am.

And before you go thinking I lied when I said I made 6 figures, I was counting my $20K a year tax free side gig. $90K plus $20K is 6 figures.

You are on here too many hours to be making serious money. I'm not rich by any metric unless you want to compare me to someone in the third world. I hire a lot of handymen for gigs. Sometimes they make more per hour than I make. My house and car are paid for, but then again, I'm driving a 2007 Toyota that I bought when it was new.

I pay people a HELL of a lot more than the Bubba dude with his 6 mpg new dual wheelie submitting "proposals" for replacing an overflow valve (with a customer supplied valve) at $240 (a fifteen minute job that a monkey with a pipe wrench could do.) He pays his help $15 an hour unless they have a specific skill set. I pay $20 an hour. WTF more do you think I should be doing? I'm too close to being able to retire to stick money into a full blown operation and hire master plumbers. But, I will give one a gig for $80 an hour.

I'm not trying to tell anyone how to vote. I voted for Trump, but admit it was a mistake that WILL NOT be repeated. The lesser of two evils is still evil. But, my word to you is that any law that infringes on my unalienable Rights is totally ignored.

I work very hard from 8-5pm but in between I come here to relax like some people go outside and smoke.

I'm not lying. I make a $65K base and I'm going to probably sell 2 million this year. I get 1.5% commission. That's $30K in commission. So how much will I make at my real job? Around $95K. Then I have a side business where I make $20K clear money. No taxes on that money.

And I have no kids, no student loans, my car is paid off. I'm fucking loaded.

And my brother and his conservative friends say I have become much more conservative ever since I started making this kind of money. Trust me, I still think Democrats are better for me and people who make less than me. But one thing is for sure. Republican policies won't stop me from retiring at 62. But that's not true for 90% of the people who think they are middle class but not saving enough to retire. If they aren't saving enough to retire at 67 then how can they call themselves middle class?

I love it when cons here doubt a liberal is capable of making good money.

P.S. You are right. I do come here too much. Bye.

Unless you're peddling illegal drugs, you are probably blowing smoke. Living in a fantasy world is a good thing. BTW, the truth be known, the liberals control more of the big money than the Goofy Old Party.

You shouldn't worry. After Trump shows his real liberal true colors and enacts gun control, there won't be any Republican Party to worry about. They only exist because Democrats are socialists and intelligent people realize socialism don't work - unless you are like Donnie the Dictator Trump.

They aren't "illegal" drugs but you are supposed to have a medical marijuana card in order to go to a despensary. Most people don't have a card so they can't go to those yet.

You can "gift" someone some pot but you can't sell it if you aren't a caregiver or legal grower. So I "gift" my friends the pot they want but then I sell them a pencil for $200. LOL.

You're still here. Thought you had work to do.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Trump did not make any kind of case. All Donald Trump did was to parrot the Democrats party line message. He conned rednecks with low IQs and exposed how easily duped the average white American really is. He gave you National Socialist "solutions" he got from a white supremacist. Proof? Figure it out:





The people who vote for Democrats are idiots. That is a given. If, for instance, what you think were true why would the bulk of blue collar workers still be voting for the Ds given that above history lesson?

There is NO proof that foreign labor drives down wages. When America had conservative economists (Nobel Prize winners at that) holding a similar view as mine, they were the good guys:

Free to Choose (Milton Friedman, 1980) – The Tyranny of Control

Classically Liberal: What Milton Friedman really said about immigration.

Anti-immigrants quote Friedman up to a certain point. The second link continues where the anti-immigrant argument leaves off.

Because D's are the lesser of two evils when it comes to working class Americans. I'm not going to go dig up all the facts that prove this. It's obvious. Oh and by the way, the middle class was BOOMING when Clinton was president. The middle class struggled under Bush. And I follow politics pretty close to know Bush's policies really fucked the middle class hard.

And please stop telling us laborers that the GOP is the better choice for us. YOU are a business owner. YOU sound like you are rich. So of course you are going to try to con us into believing the party you like best is the party that we should like best. The fact is, over the past few decades the rich have gotten richer and the middle class is shrinking. And you are right, Trump conned stupid white voters into thinking he was going to MAGA. That's a riot huh?

The funny thing is, I'm doing great under the Republican way. Since 2015 I've seen my pay go from $40k when I started to $90K last year. But the rest of the people at my company are still making what they were making in 2015. Of course I quadrupled my companies aftermarket sales so I deserved the raises but the point is, Democrats would say as long as the company is making good profits, every employee should get at least a cost of living raise every year. That's the liberal way. The conservative way says let them work for a decade without raises. And that's where Americans are. If they didn't lose a good job and have to take a shittier one, they're stuck making the same amount they made 10 years ago. They were barely making it then and are just getting by now. And none of them are saving enough for retirement. I am.

And before you go thinking I lied when I said I made 6 figures, I was counting my $20K a year tax free side gig. $90K plus $20K is 6 figures.

You are on here too many hours to be making serious money. I'm not rich by any metric unless you want to compare me to someone in the third world. I hire a lot of handymen for gigs. Sometimes they make more per hour than I make. My house and car are paid for, but then again, I'm driving a 2007 Toyota that I bought when it was new.

I pay people a HELL of a lot more than the Bubba dude with his 6 mpg new dual wheelie submitting "proposals" for replacing an overflow valve (with a customer supplied valve) at $240 (a fifteen minute job that a monkey with a pipe wrench could do.) He pays his help $15 an hour unless they have a specific skill set. I pay $20 an hour. WTF more do you think I should be doing? I'm too close to being able to retire to stick money into a full blown operation and hire master plumbers. But, I will give one a gig for $80 an hour.

I'm not trying to tell anyone how to vote. I voted for Trump, but admit it was a mistake that WILL NOT be repeated. The lesser of two evils is still evil. But, my word to you is that any law that infringes on my unalienable Rights is totally ignored.

I work very hard from 8-5pm but in between I come here to relax like some people go outside and smoke.

I'm not lying. I make a $65K base and I'm going to probably sell 2 million this year. I get 1.5% commission. That's $30K in commission. So how much will I make at my real job? Around $95K. Then I have a side business where I make $20K clear money. No taxes on that money.

And I have no kids, no student loans, my car is paid off. I'm fucking loaded.

And my brother and his conservative friends say I have become much more conservative ever since I started making this kind of money. Trust me, I still think Democrats are better for me and people who make less than me. But one thing is for sure. Republican policies won't stop me from retiring at 62. But that's not true for 90% of the people who think they are middle class but not saving enough to retire. If they aren't saving enough to retire at 67 then how can they call themselves middle class?

I love it when cons here doubt a liberal is capable of making good money.

P.S. You are right. I do come here too much. Bye.

Unless you're peddling illegal drugs, you are probably blowing smoke. Living in a fantasy world is a good thing. BTW, the truth be known, the liberals control more of the big money than the Goofy Old Party.

You shouldn't worry. After Trump shows his real liberal true colors and enacts gun control, there won't be any Republican Party to worry about. They only exist because Democrats are socialists and intelligent people realize socialism don't work - unless you are like Donnie the Dictator Trump.

You don't think public schools work? You don't think medicare works?

Why do they have to be illegal drugs? I'm in MI. We just made pot legal. I just don't pay taxes on my profits.

I'm not lying. I started at my company making $40K 5 years ago. I doubled aftermarket sales and after the first year the president only gave me a $10K raise. The next year I tripled sales and the new president bumped me up to $65K plus 1.5% commission. Trust me, I just about shit when he gave that to me too. It was going to be $50K or $60K plus and when I got back to my desk the email said $65K plus 1.5% commission. I thought, "maybe it was a mistake" but before he could take it back I forwarded it to HR and told them I approve and the next paycheck I was making $65K plus. HOLY SHIT! Why is that so hard to believe? Probably because no one in GA makes that kind of money including you.

My brother is like a level 3 VP at a fortune 500 and he makes $800K. Do you not believe that either? Who cares what you believe.

You know who I love? The cons on here who get all bent out of shape because I don't pay taxes on my side gig. Why would I? They say it makes me a hypocrite because I cry that corporations don't pay their fair share. Well you know what? If you can't beat them, join them. That's why I am slowly but surely becoming a conservative. Not because I agree with them but because the poor people who vote GOP or don't vote at all make me sick. If they don't get it and if they don't care, why should I care about them?

P.S. Thanks for not believing I make what I make. It's flattering to know I make an unbelievable amount compared to the rest of you. Thanks for making me feel good.

I won't comment on the off topic stuff. We're going down too many roads. But, this is my word to you:

I saw something many years ago and it told me a lot about a certain president and the drug trade. A while back my wife and I watched a several part documentary on the subject:

America's War on Drugs (TV Mini-Series 2017) - IMDb

This is some related stuff on the subject:

America's War on Drugs Full Episodes, Video & More | HISTORY

Most people in Georgia don't make the kind of money you're talking about. I raised a boy when he was sent to us by the state. I went from foster parent to adopted father. Well he's all grown up and got a job selling roofing jobs. He was so proud of his first big paycheck that he texted me a copy of the $1900 check for one week. Last month, he got his largest check for a single week: $4015. Admittedly, other than the doctors, lawyers, judges and a couple of politicians I know, my adopted son is the highest paid person I personally know.

I'm friends with the Secretary of State; he is a millionaire, but I don't "know" him to the point that we see each other socially.

If you have the courage to watch that series, you'll have somewhat of a handle on my position.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

We have the same problem in Georgia. One time a farmer advertised on the local paper; he listed jobs with the state employment service (which gave access to the job to every person drawing an unemployment check); he passed out flyers. Of the 280 positions this guy offered, less than half enough people showed up. FOUR Americans show up and two of them didn't last until noon. It was on the evening news. A newsman was there for the entire thing.

To be honest, when the economy is good, which it is now, usually people stop caring about illegals. But Trump made too good of an argument to blue collar workers. He said it was illegals who were here illegally competing for jobs and bringing wages down. That is/was true. The only problem is all these white blue collar workers are still competing for these low paying blue collar jobs and the corporations don't want to pay more even though they say they can't find enough help. They/You refuse to raise your wages. You're just waiting it out. You're waiting for the illegals to dig a hole under Trump's wall and start coming back. LOL.

Trump did not make any kind of case. All Donald Trump did was to parrot the Democrats party line message. He conned rednecks with low IQs and exposed how easily duped the average white American really is. He gave you National Socialist "solutions" he got from a white supremacist. Proof? Figure it out:





The people who vote for Democrats are idiots. That is a given. If, for instance, what you think were true why would the bulk of blue collar workers still be voting for the Ds given that above history lesson?

There is NO proof that foreign labor drives down wages. When America had conservative economists (Nobel Prize winners at that) holding a similar view as mine, they were the good guys:

Free to Choose (Milton Friedman, 1980) – The Tyranny of Control

Classically Liberal: What Milton Friedman really said about immigration.

Anti-immigrants quote Friedman up to a certain point. The second link continues where the anti-immigrant argument leaves off.

Because D's are the lesser of two evils when it comes to working class Americans. I'm not going to go dig up all the facts that prove this. It's obvious. Oh and by the way, the middle class was BOOMING when Clinton was president. The middle class struggled under Bush. And I follow politics pretty close to know Bush's policies really fucked the middle class hard.

And please stop telling us laborers that the GOP is the better choice for us. YOU are a business owner. YOU sound like you are rich. So of course you are going to try to con us into believing the party you like best is the party that we should like best. The fact is, over the past few decades the rich have gotten richer and the middle class is shrinking. And you are right, Trump conned stupid white voters into thinking he was going to MAGA. That's a riot huh?

The funny thing is, I'm doing great under the Republican way. Since 2015 I've seen my pay go from $40k when I started to $90K last year. But the rest of the people at my company are still making what they were making in 2015. Of course I quadrupled my companies aftermarket sales so I deserved the raises but the point is, Democrats would say as long as the company is making good profits, every employee should get at least a cost of living raise every year. That's the liberal way. The conservative way says let them work for a decade without raises. And that's where Americans are. If they didn't lose a good job and have to take a shittier one, they're stuck making the same amount they made 10 years ago. They were barely making it then and are just getting by now. And none of them are saving enough for retirement. I am.

And before you go thinking I lied when I said I made 6 figures, I was counting my $20K a year tax free side gig. $90K plus $20K is 6 figures.

I'm not telling anyone here who is the better for you to vote for. I won't vote for Trump and that is because he lied about gun control. He is the most anti-gun president in the history of the United States. He will NEVER get my vote.

I'm not "rich." I do, however, pay laborers much more than the other employers. But, that don't seem to matter. You see white guys here that will work in fast food for minimum wage, but turn down an outdoor job for twice that amount. Then they come here and bitch about the foreigner that does take the job.

You think socialism is a good route; I don't. I think the reason that wages are taking a shitter is that we're allowing multinational corporations to come in and think they are going to bring us down to third world level wages. We're screwing ourselves by not supporting SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS.

Maybe people in GA would support you if they didn't see illegals working in the back.

Other than that, you are starting to sound more reasonable and I don't disagree with everything you say.

A lady over in one of the low rent type housing district needed a front deck. She's 71 so this is no option for her. I got two white guys and they turned out to be meth-heads. Three weeks into the job, they haven't finished. She risks getting hurt. I'm really busy so I call a guy and he knows a couple of Mexicans. We went there and she paid for the lumber; I paid them. They did it for $100 less than the two stooges (though I did some labor.) What would you do? I got these guys that gig to try them out and continue giving them referrals if they'd show up.

The entire job could have been finished in one day. It was a simple deck 5 feet wide and 16 feet long.

I didn't set out to do this business. It's just that the church found out I could get poor people the help around the house they can't afford and my intentions were to give those locked out of the job market a second chance by getting them gigs doing landscaping, minor home repairs, cleaning gutters, etc. When people call me I have to come up with SOMEONE. And despite all the advertising I do, the younger guys here don't want to work. I have one in the house.

My wife's son was homeless. His grandmother died while I was taking care of her in my home. My wife lets that son come here to live because she "didn't want him living in the tent in the woods, grieving." He hangs here for a couple of weeks and one Saturday a lady down the way calls and offers $10 an hour to get people to help her put up sections of a fence. She is trying to put them up herself. My wife's son, who never has to work, wouldn't get off his sorry ass and go help. I found a meth addict that was sober enough to do the job. Had it not been for him, I definitely would call the Mexican guys.

 

[sealybobo]

it means you are simply clueless and Causeless.

Just because you are an idiot does not make me clueless or causeless. You are such a simpleton, you call me right wing and you've never had enough common sense to ASK what my cause is. Now, I wouldn't even share that with you without an apology.

I can just laugh my ass off at you for being so smug about your stupidity, thinking you have something beneficial to say.

You are one of those freedom to fascism guys. Basically a libertarian. Libertarians are just the Republicans retarded cousins. In some ways you are better than Republicans but in most ways you are worse.

I'm one of those guys that 20 years ago were called "conservative." I think multidimensional so labels probably won't work for you.

Since I don't do dope and think we're making a BIG mistake, it's hard to fit me into a Libertarian mold. But, if labeling people as a diversion to discussing topics that you fear being wrong about works for you, go for it.

Bruce Jenner doesn't like how Republicans treat gays but that doesn't mean he's not a Republican. You don't like pot? That doesn't mean you aren't a libertarian. Even Ron Paul agrees with you that the income tax is unconstitutional.

Like I said before it doesn't matter if you are a Republican or Libertarian. They're just two different nuts in a mixed bag of nuts.

And you don't get to tell us what you are. We tell you what you are based on your comments. Trust me dude, you're a libertarian.

And like you doubt me, I doubt you make the kind of money you say you make or that you own a business. To me it sounds like you made all that up just to go along with your narrative. Then you tell us an American worker asked you for $500 hr and you hired an illegal for $30 hr? Whatever dude. You sound more like a nut job than a small business owner.

And do you still own the business? You spend way too much time on here to be running a business. I bet your business did go under.

According to the U.S. Small Business Administration, over 50% of small businesses fail in the first year and 95% fail within the first five years.

Dude, I'm in semi-retirement. I think you are hilarious. What country do you live in where self righteous smart asses get to determine what a man is as opposed to the man telling you what he is.

If I come out against drugs and abortion and the Libertarians are cool with that, I might just run as a Libertarian. I'll explain the deal to you:

I got out of the hospital after major surgery. So, I'm in stitches and can't get around. The overflow valve on the water heater goes out and I tell my wife to pick up another one at Home Depot.

I call a plumber that wants $40 to make a "service call." I tell him what's wrong and have the part. He goes to his truck and after 40 minutes he comes back with a "proposal." It was for $240 plus the $40 service charge. I told him that I had already told him I was an ex Seabee. I know what it takes to fix this freaking stuff. I paid him $40 and gave him 40 seconds to be off my property.

I picked up the phone and called the first laborer I had a number for. He came over and changed the overflow out in under 15 minutes. I asked him what I owed him. He said, you think $30 is reasonable?

Now, had Bubba done that job. He would have gotten $280 for a 15 minute job. That puts him at $1,120 an hour. Are there not four 15 minute segments in an hour? Allow for the trip out here and taxes, it works out to about $985 per hour. THAT is why you have undocumented foreigners working jobs, making damn good money and allowing people to be able to live in and keep their homes.

Any person that would allow the Bubbas to take advantage of them are idiots. Poor people; those on fixed incomes; those who are on disability... they cannot afford to pay you a surgeon's wages for a job where the skill set takes six months to learn and their lives aren't at stake. So, those people are traitors for keeping their homes and not leaving it because some redneck with an over sized truck thinks he should be paid as much as a surgeon? You are beyond foolish and anyone that reads your bullshit probably realizes that smokers ARE people with a low IQ.

Right now my business is the ministry. I help people get back on their feet. I help people in poor neighborhoods get repairs done for what they can afford. On my end, I don't make much of anything. I planned for my retirement. But, son, these guys thinking they are going to go into neighborhoods and rip people off to appease folks like you are the real traitors... and so are you for not acknowledging the real problems.

I disagree. I paid an American $200 to detail my car. I know I could have found an illegal to do it cheaper but I was glad to pay an American company an American wage. That's the only way we are going to make America great again. An illegal shouldn't even be an option.

I felt like maybe these guys doing car detailing and landscaping can finally charge a rate that will give them a good standard of living. I don't mind paying a little more. Hell, I paid a lot more.

Remember, I make $90K plus a year and I have no mortgage, no kids going to college and I paid off my college loans in 1995.

The funny thing about hiring illegals is that it's not poor Americans who need to save that are doing it. It's rich guys like you. This is just one reason the rich have gotten richer in the last few decades and the middle class has disappeared or shrunk. I read somewhere that people who employ illegals save billions of dollars every year. That means you are stealing from middle class and poor Americans. It's not right. And you are proving that class warfare does exist. And you clearly don't respect American workers. To you we are lazy and charge too much. Funny, that's what we think about your company.

I have the luxury of working in Manufacturing and in Michigan. A union state where labor still makes a pretty good living. My brother just confirmed with me that the new company he just went to treats their employees like shit. For decades he thought I was making that up. Now that he works for a company that isn't in manufacturing, he is seeing that not all companies treat their employees like they should.

And that Koch company that got caught hiring all those illegals in Mississippi? They pay $12. That's shit. And from the lawsuits I saw they went through, they too treat their employees like shit. You cons and employers love it this way. Where employees are helpless and have to take your shit and your $12 hr shitty job.

 

[sealybobo]

Because D's are the lesser of two evils when it comes to working class Americans. I'm not going to go dig up all the facts that prove this. It's obvious. Oh and by the way, the middle class was BOOMING when Clinton was president. The middle class struggled under Bush. And I follow politics pretty close to know Bush's policies really fucked the middle class hard.

And please stop telling us laborers that the GOP is the better choice for us. YOU are a business owner. YOU sound like you are rich. So of course you are going to try to con us into believing the party you like best is the party that we should like best. The fact is, over the past few decades the rich have gotten richer and the middle class is shrinking. And you are right, Trump conned stupid white voters into thinking he was going to MAGA. That's a riot huh?

The funny thing is, I'm doing great under the Republican way. Since 2015 I've seen my pay go from $40k when I started to $90K last year. But the rest of the people at my company are still making what they were making in 2015. Of course I quadrupled my companies aftermarket sales so I deserved the raises but the point is, Democrats would say as long as the company is making good profits, every employee should get at least a cost of living raise every year. That's the liberal way. The conservative way says let them work for a decade without raises. And that's where Americans are. If they didn't lose a good job and have to take a shittier one, they're stuck making the same amount they made 10 years ago. They were barely making it then and are just getting by now. And none of them are saving enough for retirement. I am.

And before you go thinking I lied when I said I made 6 figures, I was counting my $20K a year tax free side gig. $90K plus $20K is 6 figures.

You are on here too many hours to be making serious money. I'm not rich by any metric unless you want to compare me to someone in the third world. I hire a lot of handymen for gigs. Sometimes they make more per hour than I make. My house and car are paid for, but then again, I'm driving a 2007 Toyota that I bought when it was new.

I pay people a HELL of a lot more than the Bubba dude with his 6 mpg new dual wheelie submitting "proposals" for replacing an overflow valve (with a customer supplied valve) at $240 (a fifteen minute job that a monkey with a pipe wrench could do.) He pays his help $15 an hour unless they have a specific skill set. I pay $20 an hour. WTF more do you think I should be doing? I'm too close to being able to retire to stick money into a full blown operation and hire master plumbers. But, I will give one a gig for $80 an hour.

I'm not trying to tell anyone how to vote. I voted for Trump, but admit it was a mistake that WILL NOT be repeated. The lesser of two evils is still evil. But, my word to you is that any law that infringes on my unalienable Rights is totally ignored.

I work very hard from 8-5pm but in between I come here to relax like some people go outside and smoke.

I'm not lying. I make a $65K base and I'm going to probably sell 2 million this year. I get 1.5% commission. That's $30K in commission. So how much will I make at my real job? Around $95K. Then I have a side business where I make $20K clear money. No taxes on that money.

And I have no kids, no student loans, my car is paid off. I'm fucking loaded.

And my brother and his conservative friends say I have become much more conservative ever since I started making this kind of money. Trust me, I still think Democrats are better for me and people who make less than me. But one thing is for sure. Republican policies won't stop me from retiring at 62. But that's not true for 90% of the people who think they are middle class but not saving enough to retire. If they aren't saving enough to retire at 67 then how can they call themselves middle class?

I love it when cons here doubt a liberal is capable of making good money.

P.S. You are right. I do come here too much. Bye.

Unless you're peddling illegal drugs, you are probably blowing smoke. Living in a fantasy world is a good thing. BTW, the truth be known, the liberals control more of the big money than the Goofy Old Party.

You shouldn't worry. After Trump shows his real liberal true colors and enacts gun control, there won't be any Republican Party to worry about. They only exist because Democrats are socialists and intelligent people realize socialism don't work - unless you are like Donnie the Dictator Trump.

They aren't "illegal" drugs but you are supposed to have a medical marijuana card in order to go to a despensary. Most people don't have a card so they can't go to those yet.

You can "gift" someone some pot but you can't sell it if you aren't a caregiver or legal grower. So I "gift" my friends the pot they want but then I sell them a pencil for $200. LOL.

You're still here. Thought you had work to do.

I'm done for the day. Actually, my boss told me because I'm doing so well I can come and go as I please. My goal is they always want me to at least sell $100K a month. I'm at $98,000 right now and it's the 14th. Suck on that.

 

[sealybobo]

Because D's are the lesser of two evils when it comes to working class Americans. I'm not going to go dig up all the facts that prove this. It's obvious. Oh and by the way, the middle class was BOOMING when Clinton was president. The middle class struggled under Bush. And I follow politics pretty close to know Bush's policies really fucked the middle class hard.

And please stop telling us laborers that the GOP is the better choice for us. YOU are a business owner. YOU sound like you are rich. So of course you are going to try to con us into believing the party you like best is the party that we should like best. The fact is, over the past few decades the rich have gotten richer and the middle class is shrinking. And you are right, Trump conned stupid white voters into thinking he was going to MAGA. That's a riot huh?

The funny thing is, I'm doing great under the Republican way. Since 2015 I've seen my pay go from $40k when I started to $90K last year. But the rest of the people at my company are still making what they were making in 2015. Of course I quadrupled my companies aftermarket sales so I deserved the raises but the point is, Democrats would say as long as the company is making good profits, every employee should get at least a cost of living raise every year. That's the liberal way. The conservative way says let them work for a decade without raises. And that's where Americans are. If they didn't lose a good job and have to take a shittier one, they're stuck making the same amount they made 10 years ago. They were barely making it then and are just getting by now. And none of them are saving enough for retirement. I am.

And before you go thinking I lied when I said I made 6 figures, I was counting my $20K a year tax free side gig. $90K plus $20K is 6 figures.

You are on here too many hours to be making serious money. I'm not rich by any metric unless you want to compare me to someone in the third world. I hire a lot of handymen for gigs. Sometimes they make more per hour than I make. My house and car are paid for, but then again, I'm driving a 2007 Toyota that I bought when it was new.

I pay people a HELL of a lot more than the Bubba dude with his 6 mpg new dual wheelie submitting "proposals" for replacing an overflow valve (with a customer supplied valve) at $240 (a fifteen minute job that a monkey with a pipe wrench could do.) He pays his help $15 an hour unless they have a specific skill set. I pay $20 an hour. WTF more do you think I should be doing? I'm too close to being able to retire to stick money into a full blown operation and hire master plumbers. But, I will give one a gig for $80 an hour.

I'm not trying to tell anyone how to vote. I voted for Trump, but admit it was a mistake that WILL NOT be repeated. The lesser of two evils is still evil. But, my word to you is that any law that infringes on my unalienable Rights is totally ignored.

I work very hard from 8-5pm but in between I come here to relax like some people go outside and smoke.

I'm not lying. I make a $65K base and I'm going to probably sell 2 million this year. I get 1.5% commission. That's $30K in commission. So how much will I make at my real job? Around $95K. Then I have a side business where I make $20K clear money. No taxes on that money.

And I have no kids, no student loans, my car is paid off. I'm fucking loaded.

And my brother and his conservative friends say I have become much more conservative ever since I started making this kind of money. Trust me, I still think Democrats are better for me and people who make less than me. But one thing is for sure. Republican policies won't stop me from retiring at 62. But that's not true for 90% of the people who think they are middle class but not saving enough to retire. If they aren't saving enough to retire at 67 then how can they call themselves middle class?

I love it when cons here doubt a liberal is capable of making good money.

P.S. You are right. I do come here too much. Bye.

Unless you're peddling illegal drugs, you are probably blowing smoke. Living in a fantasy world is a good thing. BTW, the truth be known, the liberals control more of the big money than the Goofy Old Party.

You shouldn't worry. After Trump shows his real liberal true colors and enacts gun control, there won't be any Republican Party to worry about. They only exist because Democrats are socialists and intelligent people realize socialism don't work - unless you are like Donnie the Dictator Trump.

You don't think public schools work? You don't think medicare works?

Why do they have to be illegal drugs? I'm in MI. We just made pot legal. I just don't pay taxes on my profits.

I'm not lying. I started at my company making $40K 5 years ago. I doubled aftermarket sales and after the first year the president only gave me a $10K raise. The next year I tripled sales and the new president bumped me up to $65K plus 1.5% commission. Trust me, I just about shit when he gave that to me too. It was going to be $50K or $60K plus and when I got back to my desk the email said $65K plus 1.5% commission. I thought, "maybe it was a mistake" but before he could take it back I forwarded it to HR and told them I approve and the next paycheck I was making $65K plus. HOLY SHIT! Why is that so hard to believe? Probably because no one in GA makes that kind of money including you.

My brother is like a level 3 VP at a fortune 500 and he makes $800K. Do you not believe that either? Who cares what you believe.

You know who I love? The cons on here who get all bent out of shape because I don't pay taxes on my side gig. Why would I? They say it makes me a hypocrite because I cry that corporations don't pay their fair share. Well you know what? If you can't beat them, join them. That's why I am slowly but surely becoming a conservative. Not because I agree with them but because the poor people who vote GOP or don't vote at all make me sick. If they don't get it and if they don't care, why should I care about them?

P.S. Thanks for not believing I make what I make. It's flattering to know I make an unbelievable amount compared to the rest of you. Thanks for making me feel good.

I won't comment on the off topic stuff. We're going down too many roads. But, this is my word to you:

I saw something many years ago and it told me a lot about a certain president and the drug trade. A while back my wife and I watched a several part documentary on the subject:

America's War on Drugs (TV Mini-Series 2017) - IMDb

This is some related stuff on the subject:

America's War on Drugs Full Episodes, Video & More | HISTORY

Most people in Georgia don't make the kind of money you're talking about. I raised a boy when he was sent to us by the state. I went from foster parent to adopted father. Well he's all grown up and got a job selling roofing jobs. He was so proud of his first big paycheck that he texted me a copy of the $1900 check for one week. Last month, he got his largest check for a single week: $4015. Admittedly, other than the doctors, lawyers, judges and a couple of politicians I know, my adopted son is the highest paid person I personally know.

I'm friends with the Secretary of State; he is a millionaire, but I don't "know" him to the point that we see each other socially.

If you have the courage to watch that series, you'll have somewhat of a handle on my position.

I make $300 every day I wake up. $300 x 365 days is?

 

[sealybobo]

To be honest, when the economy is good, which it is now, usually people stop caring about illegals. But Trump made too good of an argument to blue collar workers. He said it was illegals who were here illegally competing for jobs and bringing wages down. That is/was true. The only problem is all these white blue collar workers are still competing for these low paying blue collar jobs and the corporations don't want to pay more even though they say they can't find enough help. They/You refuse to raise your wages. You're just waiting it out. You're waiting for the illegals to dig a hole under Trump's wall and start coming back. LOL.

Trump did not make any kind of case. All Donald Trump did was to parrot the Democrats party line message. He conned rednecks with low IQs and exposed how easily duped the average white American really is. He gave you National Socialist "solutions" he got from a white supremacist. Proof? Figure it out:





The people who vote for Democrats are idiots. That is a given. If, for instance, what you think were true why would the bulk of blue collar workers still be voting for the Ds given that above history lesson?

There is NO proof that foreign labor drives down wages. When America had conservative economists (Nobel Prize winners at that) holding a similar view as mine, they were the good guys:

Free to Choose (Milton Friedman, 1980) – The Tyranny of Control

Classically Liberal: What Milton Friedman really said about immigration.

Anti-immigrants quote Friedman up to a certain point. The second link continues where the anti-immigrant argument leaves off.

Because D's are the lesser of two evils when it comes to working class Americans. I'm not going to go dig up all the facts that prove this. It's obvious. Oh and by the way, the middle class was BOOMING when Clinton was president. The middle class struggled under Bush. And I follow politics pretty close to know Bush's policies really fucked the middle class hard.

And please stop telling us laborers that the GOP is the better choice for us. YOU are a business owner. YOU sound like you are rich. So of course you are going to try to con us into believing the party you like best is the party that we should like best. The fact is, over the past few decades the rich have gotten richer and the middle class is shrinking. And you are right, Trump conned stupid white voters into thinking he was going to MAGA. That's a riot huh?

The funny thing is, I'm doing great under the Republican way. Since 2015 I've seen my pay go from $40k when I started to $90K last year. But the rest of the people at my company are still making what they were making in 2015. Of course I quadrupled my companies aftermarket sales so I deserved the raises but the point is, Democrats would say as long as the company is making good profits, every employee should get at least a cost of living raise every year. That's the liberal way. The conservative way says let them work for a decade without raises. And that's where Americans are. If they didn't lose a good job and have to take a shittier one, they're stuck making the same amount they made 10 years ago. They were barely making it then and are just getting by now. And none of them are saving enough for retirement. I am.

And before you go thinking I lied when I said I made 6 figures, I was counting my $20K a year tax free side gig. $90K plus $20K is 6 figures.

I'm not telling anyone here who is the better for you to vote for. I won't vote for Trump and that is because he lied about gun control. He is the most anti-gun president in the history of the United States. He will NEVER get my vote.

I'm not "rich." I do, however, pay laborers much more than the other employers. But, that don't seem to matter. You see white guys here that will work in fast food for minimum wage, but turn down an outdoor job for twice that amount. Then they come here and bitch about the foreigner that does take the job.

You think socialism is a good route; I don't. I think the reason that wages are taking a shitter is that we're allowing multinational corporations to come in and think they are going to bring us down to third world level wages. We're screwing ourselves by not supporting SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS.

Maybe people in GA would support you if they didn't see illegals working in the back.

Other than that, you are starting to sound more reasonable and I don't disagree with everything you say.

A lady over in one of the low rent type housing district needed a front deck. She's 71 so this is no option for her. I got two white guys and they turned out to be meth-heads. Three weeks into the job, they haven't finished. She risks getting hurt. I'm really busy so I call a guy and he knows a couple of Mexicans. We went there and she paid for the lumber; I paid them. They did it for $100 less than the two stooges (though I did some labor.) What would you do? I got these guys that gig to try them out and continue giving them referrals if they'd show up.

The entire job could have been finished in one day. It was a simple deck 5 feet wide and 16 feet long.

I didn't set out to do this business. It's just that the church found out I could get poor people the help around the house they can't afford and my intentions were to give those locked out of the job market a second chance by getting them gigs doing landscaping, minor home repairs, cleaning gutters, etc. When people call me I have to come up with SOMEONE. And despite all the advertising I do, the younger guys here don't want to work. I have one in the house.

My wife's son was homeless. His grandmother died while I was taking care of her in my home. My wife lets that son come here to live because she "didn't want him living in the tent in the woods, grieving." He hangs here for a couple of weeks and one Saturday a lady down the way calls and offers $10 an hour to get people to help her put up sections of a fence. She is trying to put them up herself. My wife's son, who never has to work, wouldn't get off his sorry ass and go help. I found a meth addict that was sober enough to do the job. Had it not been for him, I definitely would call the Mexican guys.

I can't argue with you about these people you are talking about. I know they exist. I know most who are un employed are that way for a reason.

 

[Correll]

Just because you are an idiot does not make me clueless or causeless. You are such a simpleton, you call me right wing and you've never had enough common sense to ASK what my cause is. Now, I wouldn't even share that with you without an apology.

I can just laugh my ass off at you for being so smug about your stupidity, thinking you have something beneficial to say.

You are one of those freedom to fascism guys. Basically a libertarian. Libertarians are just the Republicans retarded cousins. In some ways you are better than Republicans but in most ways you are worse.

I'm one of those guys that 20 years ago were called "conservative." I think multidimensional so labels probably won't work for you.

Since I don't do dope and think we're making a BIG mistake, it's hard to fit me into a Libertarian mold. But, if labeling people as a diversion to discussing topics that you fear being wrong about works for you, go for it.

Bruce Jenner doesn't like how Republicans treat gays but that doesn't mean he's not a Republican. You don't like pot? That doesn't mean you aren't a libertarian. Even Ron Paul agrees with you that the income tax is unconstitutional.

Like I said before it doesn't matter if you are a Republican or Libertarian. They're just two different nuts in a mixed bag of nuts.

And you don't get to tell us what you are. We tell you what you are based on your comments. Trust me dude, you're a libertarian.

And like you doubt me, I doubt you make the kind of money you say you make or that you own a business. To me it sounds like you made all that up just to go along with your narrative. Then you tell us an American worker asked you for $500 hr and you hired an illegal for $30 hr? Whatever dude. You sound more like a nut job than a small business owner.

And do you still own the business? You spend way too much time on here to be running a business. I bet your business did go under.

According to the U.S. Small Business Administration, over 50% of small businesses fail in the first year and 95% fail within the first five years.

Dude, I'm in semi-retirement. I think you are hilarious. What country do you live in where self righteous smart asses get to determine what a man is as opposed to the man telling you what he is.

If I come out against drugs and abortion and the Libertarians are cool with that, I might just run as a Libertarian. I'll explain the deal to you:

I got out of the hospital after major surgery. So, I'm in stitches and can't get around. The overflow valve on the water heater goes out and I tell my wife to pick up another one at Home Depot.

I call a plumber that wants $40 to make a "service call." I tell him what's wrong and have the part. He goes to his truck and after 40 minutes he comes back with a "proposal." It was for $240 plus the $40 service charge. I told him that I had already told him I was an ex Seabee. I know what it takes to fix this freaking stuff. I paid him $40 and gave him 40 seconds to be off my property.

I picked up the phone and called the first laborer I had a number for. He came over and changed the overflow out in under 15 minutes. I asked him what I owed him. He said, you think $30 is reasonable?

Now, had Bubba done that job. He would have gotten $280 for a 15 minute job. That puts him at $1,120 an hour. Are there not four 15 minute segments in an hour? Allow for the trip out here and taxes, it works out to about $985 per hour. THAT is why you have undocumented foreigners working jobs, making damn good money and allowing people to be able to live in and keep their homes.

Any person that would allow the Bubbas to take advantage of them are idiots. Poor people; those on fixed incomes; those who are on disability... they cannot afford to pay you a surgeon's wages for a job where the skill set takes six months to learn and their lives aren't at stake. So, those people are traitors for keeping their homes and not leaving it because some redneck with an over sized truck thinks he should be paid as much as a surgeon? You are beyond foolish and anyone that reads your bullshit probably realizes that smokers ARE people with a low IQ.

Right now my business is the ministry. I help people get back on their feet. I help people in poor neighborhoods get repairs done for what they can afford. On my end, I don't make much of anything. I planned for my retirement. But, son, these guys thinking they are going to go into neighborhoods and rip people off to appease folks like you are the real traitors... and so are you for not acknowledging the real problems.

I disagree. I paid an American $200 to detail my car. I know I could have found an illegal to do it cheaper but I was glad to pay an American company an American wage. That's the only way we are going to make America great again. An illegal shouldn't even be an option.

I felt like maybe these guys doing car detailing and landscaping can finally charge a rate that will give them a good standard of living. I don't mind paying a little more. Hell, I paid a lot more.

Remember, I make $90K plus a year and I have no mortgage, no kids going to college and I paid off my college loans in 1995.

The funny thing about hiring illegals is that it's not poor Americans who need to save that are doing it. It's rich guys like you. This is just one reason the rich have gotten richer in the last few decades and the middle class has disappeared or shrunk. I read somewhere that people who employ illegals save billions of dollars every year. That means you are stealing from middle class and poor Americans. It's not right. And you are proving that class warfare does exist. And you clearly don't respect American workers. To you we are lazy and charge too much. Funny, that's what we think about your company.

I have the luxury of working in Manufacturing and in Michigan. A union state where labor still makes a pretty good living. My brother just confirmed with me that the new company he just went to treats their employees like shit. For decades he thought I was making that up. Now that he works for a company that isn't in manufacturing, he is seeing that not all companies treat their employees like they should.

And that Koch company that got caught hiring all those illegals in Mississippi? They pay $12. That's shit. And from the lawsuits I saw they went through, they too treat their employees like shit. You cons and employers love it this way. Where employees are helpless and have to take your shit and your $12 hr shitty job.

Here is the thing I think we should remember. Me and you share a goal Seely, the best interests of the American citizens, individually and America as a whole.


A lot of people, are not motivated by that, for different reasons.


Rockwell, has ideological problems with the idea that American policy should be crafted to serve the interests of Americans.


I've run into that kind of thinking a lot.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

You are one of those freedom to fascism guys. Basically a libertarian. Libertarians are just the Republicans retarded cousins. In some ways you are better than Republicans but in most ways you are worse.

I'm one of those guys that 20 years ago were called "conservative." I think multidimensional so labels probably won't work for you.

Since I don't do dope and think we're making a BIG mistake, it's hard to fit me into a Libertarian mold. But, if labeling people as a diversion to discussing topics that you fear being wrong about works for you, go for it.

Bruce Jenner doesn't like how Republicans treat gays but that doesn't mean he's not a Republican. You don't like pot? That doesn't mean you aren't a libertarian. Even Ron Paul agrees with you that the income tax is unconstitutional.

Like I said before it doesn't matter if you are a Republican or Libertarian. They're just two different nuts in a mixed bag of nuts.

And you don't get to tell us what you are. We tell you what you are based on your comments. Trust me dude, you're a libertarian.

And like you doubt me, I doubt you make the kind of money you say you make or that you own a business. To me it sounds like you made all that up just to go along with your narrative. Then you tell us an American worker asked you for $500 hr and you hired an illegal for $30 hr? Whatever dude. You sound more like a nut job than a small business owner.

And do you still own the business? You spend way too much time on here to be running a business. I bet your business did go under.

According to the U.S. Small Business Administration, over 50% of small businesses fail in the first year and 95% fail within the first five years.

Dude, I'm in semi-retirement. I think you are hilarious. What country do you live in where self righteous smart asses get to determine what a man is as opposed to the man telling you what he is.

If I come out against drugs and abortion and the Libertarians are cool with that, I might just run as a Libertarian. I'll explain the deal to you:

I got out of the hospital after major surgery. So, I'm in stitches and can't get around. The overflow valve on the water heater goes out and I tell my wife to pick up another one at Home Depot.

I call a plumber that wants $40 to make a "service call." I tell him what's wrong and have the part. He goes to his truck and after 40 minutes he comes back with a "proposal." It was for $240 plus the $40 service charge. I told him that I had already told him I was an ex Seabee. I know what it takes to fix this freaking stuff. I paid him $40 and gave him 40 seconds to be off my property.

I picked up the phone and called the first laborer I had a number for. He came over and changed the overflow out in under 15 minutes. I asked him what I owed him. He said, you think $30 is reasonable?

Now, had Bubba done that job. He would have gotten $280 for a 15 minute job. That puts him at $1,120 an hour. Are there not four 15 minute segments in an hour? Allow for the trip out here and taxes, it works out to about $985 per hour. THAT is why you have undocumented foreigners working jobs, making damn good money and allowing people to be able to live in and keep their homes.

Any person that would allow the Bubbas to take advantage of them are idiots. Poor people; those on fixed incomes; those who are on disability... they cannot afford to pay you a surgeon's wages for a job where the skill set takes six months to learn and their lives aren't at stake. So, those people are traitors for keeping their homes and not leaving it because some redneck with an over sized truck thinks he should be paid as much as a surgeon? You are beyond foolish and anyone that reads your bullshit probably realizes that smokers ARE people with a low IQ.

Right now my business is the ministry. I help people get back on their feet. I help people in poor neighborhoods get repairs done for what they can afford. On my end, I don't make much of anything. I planned for my retirement. But, son, these guys thinking they are going to go into neighborhoods and rip people off to appease folks like you are the real traitors... and so are you for not acknowledging the real problems.

I disagree. I paid an American $200 to detail my car. I know I could have found an illegal to do it cheaper but I was glad to pay an American company an American wage. That's the only way we are going to make America great again. An illegal shouldn't even be an option.

I felt like maybe these guys doing car detailing and landscaping can finally charge a rate that will give them a good standard of living. I don't mind paying a little more. Hell, I paid a lot more.

Remember, I make $90K plus a year and I have no mortgage, no kids going to college and I paid off my college loans in 1995.

The funny thing about hiring illegals is that it's not poor Americans who need to save that are doing it. It's rich guys like you. This is just one reason the rich have gotten richer in the last few decades and the middle class has disappeared or shrunk. I read somewhere that people who employ illegals save billions of dollars every year. That means you are stealing from middle class and poor Americans. It's not right. And you are proving that class warfare does exist. And you clearly don't respect American workers. To you we are lazy and charge too much. Funny, that's what we think about your company.

I have the luxury of working in Manufacturing and in Michigan. A union state where labor still makes a pretty good living. My brother just confirmed with me that the new company he just went to treats their employees like shit. For decades he thought I was making that up. Now that he works for a company that isn't in manufacturing, he is seeing that not all companies treat their employees like they should.

And that Koch company that got caught hiring all those illegals in Mississippi? They pay $12. That's shit. And from the lawsuits I saw they went through, they too treat their employees like shit. You cons and employers love it this way. Where employees are helpless and have to take your shit and your $12 hr shitty job.

Here is the thing I think we should remember. Me and you share a goal Seely, the best interests of the American citizens, individually and America as a whole.


A lot of people, are not motivated by that, for different reasons.


Rockwell, has ideological problems with the idea that American policy should be crafted to serve the interests of Americans.


I've run into that kind of thinking a lot.

Our policies cannot be crafted so as to make Americans choose between keeping their homes or losing them just because some people think a six month skill set is worth the same as the man who spent 8 years to learn his trade.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

You are on here too many hours to be making serious money. I'm not rich by any metric unless you want to compare me to someone in the third world. I hire a lot of handymen for gigs. Sometimes they make more per hour than I make. My house and car are paid for, but then again, I'm driving a 2007 Toyota that I bought when it was new.

I pay people a HELL of a lot more than the Bubba dude with his 6 mpg new dual wheelie submitting "proposals" for replacing an overflow valve (with a customer supplied valve) at $240 (a fifteen minute job that a monkey with a pipe wrench could do.) He pays his help $15 an hour unless they have a specific skill set. I pay $20 an hour. WTF more do you think I should be doing? I'm too close to being able to retire to stick money into a full blown operation and hire master plumbers. But, I will give one a gig for $80 an hour.

I'm not trying to tell anyone how to vote. I voted for Trump, but admit it was a mistake that WILL NOT be repeated. The lesser of two evils is still evil. But, my word to you is that any law that infringes on my unalienable Rights is totally ignored.

I work very hard from 8-5pm but in between I come here to relax like some people go outside and smoke.

I'm not lying. I make a $65K base and I'm going to probably sell 2 million this year. I get 1.5% commission. That's $30K in commission. So how much will I make at my real job? Around $95K. Then I have a side business where I make $20K clear money. No taxes on that money.

And I have no kids, no student loans, my car is paid off. I'm fucking loaded.

And my brother and his conservative friends say I have become much more conservative ever since I started making this kind of money. Trust me, I still think Democrats are better for me and people who make less than me. But one thing is for sure. Republican policies won't stop me from retiring at 62. But that's not true for 90% of the people who think they are middle class but not saving enough to retire. If they aren't saving enough to retire at 67 then how can they call themselves middle class?

I love it when cons here doubt a liberal is capable of making good money.

P.S. You are right. I do come here too much. Bye.

Unless you're peddling illegal drugs, you are probably blowing smoke. Living in a fantasy world is a good thing. BTW, the truth be known, the liberals control more of the big money than the Goofy Old Party.

You shouldn't worry. After Trump shows his real liberal true colors and enacts gun control, there won't be any Republican Party to worry about. They only exist because Democrats are socialists and intelligent people realize socialism don't work - unless you are like Donnie the Dictator Trump.

You don't think public schools work? You don't think medicare works?

Why do they have to be illegal drugs? I'm in MI. We just made pot legal. I just don't pay taxes on my profits.

I'm not lying. I started at my company making $40K 5 years ago. I doubled aftermarket sales and after the first year the president only gave me a $10K raise. The next year I tripled sales and the new president bumped me up to $65K plus 1.5% commission. Trust me, I just about shit when he gave that to me too. It was going to be $50K or $60K plus and when I got back to my desk the email said $65K plus 1.5% commission. I thought, "maybe it was a mistake" but before he could take it back I forwarded it to HR and told them I approve and the next paycheck I was making $65K plus. HOLY SHIT! Why is that so hard to believe? Probably because no one in GA makes that kind of money including you.

My brother is like a level 3 VP at a fortune 500 and he makes $800K. Do you not believe that either? Who cares what you believe.

You know who I love? The cons on here who get all bent out of shape because I don't pay taxes on my side gig. Why would I? They say it makes me a hypocrite because I cry that corporations don't pay their fair share. Well you know what? If you can't beat them, join them. That's why I am slowly but surely becoming a conservative. Not because I agree with them but because the poor people who vote GOP or don't vote at all make me sick. If they don't get it and if they don't care, why should I care about them?

P.S. Thanks for not believing I make what I make. It's flattering to know I make an unbelievable amount compared to the rest of you. Thanks for making me feel good.

I won't comment on the off topic stuff. We're going down too many roads. But, this is my word to you:

I saw something many years ago and it told me a lot about a certain president and the drug trade. A while back my wife and I watched a several part documentary on the subject:

America's War on Drugs (TV Mini-Series 2017) - IMDb

This is some related stuff on the subject:

America's War on Drugs Full Episodes, Video & More | HISTORY

Most people in Georgia don't make the kind of money you're talking about. I raised a boy when he was sent to us by the state. I went from foster parent to adopted father. Well he's all grown up and got a job selling roofing jobs. He was so proud of his first big paycheck that he texted me a copy of the $1900 check for one week. Last month, he got his largest check for a single week: $4015. Admittedly, other than the doctors, lawyers, judges and a couple of politicians I know, my adopted son is the highest paid person I personally know.

I'm friends with the Secretary of State; he is a millionaire, but I don't "know" him to the point that we see each other socially.

If you have the courage to watch that series, you'll have somewhat of a handle on my position.

I make $300 every day I wake up. $300 x 365 days is?

But some day you will have face the reality of your contribution to the demise of your own people.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Just because you are an idiot does not make me clueless or causeless. You are such a simpleton, you call me right wing and you've never had enough common sense to ASK what my cause is. Now, I wouldn't even share that with you without an apology.

I can just laugh my ass off at you for being so smug about your stupidity, thinking you have something beneficial to say.

You are one of those freedom to fascism guys. Basically a libertarian. Libertarians are just the Republicans retarded cousins. In some ways you are better than Republicans but in most ways you are worse.

I'm one of those guys that 20 years ago were called "conservative." I think multidimensional so labels probably won't work for you.

Since I don't do dope and think we're making a BIG mistake, it's hard to fit me into a Libertarian mold. But, if labeling people as a diversion to discussing topics that you fear being wrong about works for you, go for it.

Bruce Jenner doesn't like how Republicans treat gays but that doesn't mean he's not a Republican. You don't like pot? That doesn't mean you aren't a libertarian. Even Ron Paul agrees with you that the income tax is unconstitutional.

Like I said before it doesn't matter if you are a Republican or Libertarian. They're just two different nuts in a mixed bag of nuts.

And you don't get to tell us what you are. We tell you what you are based on your comments. Trust me dude, you're a libertarian.

And like you doubt me, I doubt you make the kind of money you say you make or that you own a business. To me it sounds like you made all that up just to go along with your narrative. Then you tell us an American worker asked you for $500 hr and you hired an illegal for $30 hr? Whatever dude. You sound more like a nut job than a small business owner.

And do you still own the business? You spend way too much time on here to be running a business. I bet your business did go under.

According to the U.S. Small Business Administration, over 50% of small businesses fail in the first year and 95% fail within the first five years.

Dude, I'm in semi-retirement. I think you are hilarious. What country do you live in where self righteous smart asses get to determine what a man is as opposed to the man telling you what he is.

If I come out against drugs and abortion and the Libertarians are cool with that, I might just run as a Libertarian. I'll explain the deal to you:

I got out of the hospital after major surgery. So, I'm in stitches and can't get around. The overflow valve on the water heater goes out and I tell my wife to pick up another one at Home Depot.

I call a plumber that wants $40 to make a "service call." I tell him what's wrong and have the part. He goes to his truck and after 40 minutes he comes back with a "proposal." It was for $240 plus the $40 service charge. I told him that I had already told him I was an ex Seabee. I know what it takes to fix this freaking stuff. I paid him $40 and gave him 40 seconds to be off my property.

I picked up the phone and called the first laborer I had a number for. He came over and changed the overflow out in under 15 minutes. I asked him what I owed him. He said, you think $30 is reasonable?

Now, had Bubba done that job. He would have gotten $280 for a 15 minute job. That puts him at $1,120 an hour. Are there not four 15 minute segments in an hour? Allow for the trip out here and taxes, it works out to about $985 per hour. THAT is why you have undocumented foreigners working jobs, making damn good money and allowing people to be able to live in and keep their homes.

Any person that would allow the Bubbas to take advantage of them are idiots. Poor people; those on fixed incomes; those who are on disability... they cannot afford to pay you a surgeon's wages for a job where the skill set takes six months to learn and their lives aren't at stake. So, those people are traitors for keeping their homes and not leaving it because some redneck with an over sized truck thinks he should be paid as much as a surgeon? You are beyond foolish and anyone that reads your bullshit probably realizes that smokers ARE people with a low IQ.

Right now my business is the ministry. I help people get back on their feet. I help people in poor neighborhoods get repairs done for what they can afford. On my end, I don't make much of anything. I planned for my retirement. But, son, these guys thinking they are going to go into neighborhoods and rip people off to appease folks like you are the real traitors... and so are you for not acknowledging the real problems.

I disagree. I paid an American $200 to detail my car. I know I could have found an illegal to do it cheaper but I was glad to pay an American company an American wage. That's the only way we are going to make America great again. An illegal shouldn't even be an option.

I felt like maybe these guys doing car detailing and landscaping can finally charge a rate that will give them a good standard of living. I don't mind paying a little more. Hell, I paid a lot more.

Remember, I make $90K plus a year and I have no mortgage, no kids going to college and I paid off my college loans in 1995.

The funny thing about hiring illegals is that it's not poor Americans who need to save that are doing it. It's rich guys like you. This is just one reason the rich have gotten richer in the last few decades and the middle class has disappeared or shrunk. I read somewhere that people who employ illegals save billions of dollars every year. That means you are stealing from middle class and poor Americans. It's not right. And you are proving that class warfare does exist. And you clearly don't respect American workers. To you we are lazy and charge too much. Funny, that's what we think about your company.

I have the luxury of working in Manufacturing and in Michigan. A union state where labor still makes a pretty good living. My brother just confirmed with me that the new company he just went to treats their employees like shit. For decades he thought I was making that up. Now that he works for a company that isn't in manufacturing, he is seeing that not all companies treat their employees like they should.

And that Koch company that got caught hiring all those illegals in Mississippi? They pay $12. That's shit. And from the lawsuits I saw they went through, they too treat their employees like shit. You cons and employers love it this way. Where employees are helpless and have to take your shit and your $12 hr shitty job.

You are full of it so your criticisms have little, if any, credibility.

My car is 11 years old. No "rich" guy keeps his car that long.

I never pay less than $20 an hour.. that's more than anyone else in this business pays

Since I only cater to the poor and elderly you are completely nuts. I provide services to people on Social Security, Disability, and fixed incomes. I provide jobs, hopefully, to those who have been disenfranchised... that many years old conviction, an emotional breakdown over the loss of one's family, the guy trying to rebuild his life.

You're a pot seller.

 

[Correll]

I'm one of those guys that 20 years ago were called "conservative." I think multidimensional so labels probably won't work for you.

Since I don't do dope and think we're making a BIG mistake, it's hard to fit me into a Libertarian mold. But, if labeling people as a diversion to discussing topics that you fear being wrong about works for you, go for it.

Bruce Jenner doesn't like how Republicans treat gays but that doesn't mean he's not a Republican. You don't like pot? That doesn't mean you aren't a libertarian. Even Ron Paul agrees with you that the income tax is unconstitutional.

Like I said before it doesn't matter if you are a Republican or Libertarian. They're just two different nuts in a mixed bag of nuts.

And you don't get to tell us what you are. We tell you what you are based on your comments. Trust me dude, you're a libertarian.

And like you doubt me, I doubt you make the kind of money you say you make or that you own a business. To me it sounds like you made all that up just to go along with your narrative. Then you tell us an American worker asked you for $500 hr and you hired an illegal for $30 hr? Whatever dude. You sound more like a nut job than a small business owner.

And do you still own the business? You spend way too much time on here to be running a business. I bet your business did go under.

According to the U.S. Small Business Administration, over 50% of small businesses fail in the first year and 95% fail within the first five years.

Dude, I'm in semi-retirement. I think you are hilarious. What country do you live in where self righteous smart asses get to determine what a man is as opposed to the man telling you what he is.

If I come out against drugs and abortion and the Libertarians are cool with that, I might just run as a Libertarian. I'll explain the deal to you:

I got out of the hospital after major surgery. So, I'm in stitches and can't get around. The overflow valve on the water heater goes out and I tell my wife to pick up another one at Home Depot.

I call a plumber that wants $40 to make a "service call." I tell him what's wrong and have the part. He goes to his truck and after 40 minutes he comes back with a "proposal." It was for $240 plus the $40 service charge. I told him that I had already told him I was an ex Seabee. I know what it takes to fix this freaking stuff. I paid him $40 and gave him 40 seconds to be off my property.

I picked up the phone and called the first laborer I had a number for. He came over and changed the overflow out in under 15 minutes. I asked him what I owed him. He said, you think $30 is reasonable?

Now, had Bubba done that job. He would have gotten $280 for a 15 minute job. That puts him at $1,120 an hour. Are there not four 15 minute segments in an hour? Allow for the trip out here and taxes, it works out to about $985 per hour. THAT is why you have undocumented foreigners working jobs, making damn good money and allowing people to be able to live in and keep their homes.

Any person that would allow the Bubbas to take advantage of them are idiots. Poor people; those on fixed incomes; those who are on disability... they cannot afford to pay you a surgeon's wages for a job where the skill set takes six months to learn and their lives aren't at stake. So, those people are traitors for keeping their homes and not leaving it because some redneck with an over sized truck thinks he should be paid as much as a surgeon? You are beyond foolish and anyone that reads your bullshit probably realizes that smokers ARE people with a low IQ.

Right now my business is the ministry. I help people get back on their feet. I help people in poor neighborhoods get repairs done for what they can afford. On my end, I don't make much of anything. I planned for my retirement. But, son, these guys thinking they are going to go into neighborhoods and rip people off to appease folks like you are the real traitors... and so are you for not acknowledging the real problems.

I disagree. I paid an American $200 to detail my car. I know I could have found an illegal to do it cheaper but I was glad to pay an American company an American wage. That's the only way we are going to make America great again. An illegal shouldn't even be an option.

I felt like maybe these guys doing car detailing and landscaping can finally charge a rate that will give them a good standard of living. I don't mind paying a little more. Hell, I paid a lot more.

Remember, I make $90K plus a year and I have no mortgage, no kids going to college and I paid off my college loans in 1995.

The funny thing about hiring illegals is that it's not poor Americans who need to save that are doing it. It's rich guys like you. This is just one reason the rich have gotten richer in the last few decades and the middle class has disappeared or shrunk. I read somewhere that people who employ illegals save billions of dollars every year. That means you are stealing from middle class and poor Americans. It's not right. And you are proving that class warfare does exist. And you clearly don't respect American workers. To you we are lazy and charge too much. Funny, that's what we think about your company.

I have the luxury of working in Manufacturing and in Michigan. A union state where labor still makes a pretty good living. My brother just confirmed with me that the new company he just went to treats their employees like shit. For decades he thought I was making that up. Now that he works for a company that isn't in manufacturing, he is seeing that not all companies treat their employees like they should.

And that Koch company that got caught hiring all those illegals in Mississippi? They pay $12. That's shit. And from the lawsuits I saw they went through, they too treat their employees like shit. You cons and employers love it this way. Where employees are helpless and have to take your shit and your $12 hr shitty job.

Here is the thing I think we should remember. Me and you share a goal Seely, the best interests of the American citizens, individually and America as a whole.


A lot of people, are not motivated by that, for different reasons.


Rockwell, has ideological problems with the idea that American policy should be crafted to serve the interests of Americans.


I've run into that kind of thinking a lot.

Our policies cannot be crafted so as to make Americans choose between keeping their homes or losing them just because some people think a six month skill set is worth the same as the man who spent 8 years to learn his trade.

Is that an admission that what I said was true? Actually yes, that is an admission that what I said was true.


You just could not bring yourself to admit it clearly.



Try again. Says something along the lines of, "Yes, that is true, I do not support having American policy based on serving American interests because of _______" and then explain why.


Especially focus on how your reason is different than what I said. If it is.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Bruce Jenner doesn't like how Republicans treat gays but that doesn't mean he's not a Republican. You don't like pot? That doesn't mean you aren't a libertarian. Even Ron Paul agrees with you that the income tax is unconstitutional.

Like I said before it doesn't matter if you are a Republican or Libertarian. They're just two different nuts in a mixed bag of nuts.

And you don't get to tell us what you are. We tell you what you are based on your comments. Trust me dude, you're a libertarian.

And like you doubt me, I doubt you make the kind of money you say you make or that you own a business. To me it sounds like you made all that up just to go along with your narrative. Then you tell us an American worker asked you for $500 hr and you hired an illegal for $30 hr? Whatever dude. You sound more like a nut job than a small business owner.

And do you still own the business? You spend way too much time on here to be running a business. I bet your business did go under.

According to the U.S. Small Business Administration, over 50% of small businesses fail in the first year and 95% fail within the first five years.

Dude, I'm in semi-retirement. I think you are hilarious. What country do you live in where self righteous smart asses get to determine what a man is as opposed to the man telling you what he is.

If I come out against drugs and abortion and the Libertarians are cool with that, I might just run as a Libertarian. I'll explain the deal to you:

I got out of the hospital after major surgery. So, I'm in stitches and can't get around. The overflow valve on the water heater goes out and I tell my wife to pick up another one at Home Depot.

I call a plumber that wants $40 to make a "service call." I tell him what's wrong and have the part. He goes to his truck and after 40 minutes he comes back with a "proposal." It was for $240 plus the $40 service charge. I told him that I had already told him I was an ex Seabee. I know what it takes to fix this freaking stuff. I paid him $40 and gave him 40 seconds to be off my property.

I picked up the phone and called the first laborer I had a number for. He came over and changed the overflow out in under 15 minutes. I asked him what I owed him. He said, you think $30 is reasonable?

Now, had Bubba done that job. He would have gotten $280 for a 15 minute job. That puts him at $1,120 an hour. Are there not four 15 minute segments in an hour? Allow for the trip out here and taxes, it works out to about $985 per hour. THAT is why you have undocumented foreigners working jobs, making damn good money and allowing people to be able to live in and keep their homes.

Any person that would allow the Bubbas to take advantage of them are idiots. Poor people; those on fixed incomes; those who are on disability... they cannot afford to pay you a surgeon's wages for a job where the skill set takes six months to learn and their lives aren't at stake. So, those people are traitors for keeping their homes and not leaving it because some redneck with an over sized truck thinks he should be paid as much as a surgeon? You are beyond foolish and anyone that reads your bullshit probably realizes that smokers ARE people with a low IQ.

Right now my business is the ministry. I help people get back on their feet. I help people in poor neighborhoods get repairs done for what they can afford. On my end, I don't make much of anything. I planned for my retirement. But, son, these guys thinking they are going to go into neighborhoods and rip people off to appease folks like you are the real traitors... and so are you for not acknowledging the real problems.

I disagree. I paid an American $200 to detail my car. I know I could have found an illegal to do it cheaper but I was glad to pay an American company an American wage. That's the only way we are going to make America great again. An illegal shouldn't even be an option.

I felt like maybe these guys doing car detailing and landscaping can finally charge a rate that will give them a good standard of living. I don't mind paying a little more. Hell, I paid a lot more.

Remember, I make $90K plus a year and I have no mortgage, no kids going to college and I paid off my college loans in 1995.

The funny thing about hiring illegals is that it's not poor Americans who need to save that are doing it. It's rich guys like you. This is just one reason the rich have gotten richer in the last few decades and the middle class has disappeared or shrunk. I read somewhere that people who employ illegals save billions of dollars every year. That means you are stealing from middle class and poor Americans. It's not right. And you are proving that class warfare does exist. And you clearly don't respect American workers. To you we are lazy and charge too much. Funny, that's what we think about your company.

I have the luxury of working in Manufacturing and in Michigan. A union state where labor still makes a pretty good living. My brother just confirmed with me that the new company he just went to treats their employees like shit. For decades he thought I was making that up. Now that he works for a company that isn't in manufacturing, he is seeing that not all companies treat their employees like they should.

And that Koch company that got caught hiring all those illegals in Mississippi? They pay $12. That's shit. And from the lawsuits I saw they went through, they too treat their employees like shit. You cons and employers love it this way. Where employees are helpless and have to take your shit and your $12 hr shitty job.

Here is the thing I think we should remember. Me and you share a goal Seely, the best interests of the American citizens, individually and America as a whole.


A lot of people, are not motivated by that, for different reasons.


Rockwell, has ideological problems with the idea that American policy should be crafted to serve the interests of Americans.


I've run into that kind of thinking a lot.

Our policies cannot be crafted so as to make Americans choose between keeping their homes or losing them just because some people think a six month skill set is worth the same as the man who spent 8 years to learn his trade.

Is that an admission that what I said was true? Actually yes, that is an admission that what I said was true.


You just could not bring yourself to admit it clearly.



Try again. Says something along the lines of, "Yes, that is true, I do not support having American policy based on serving American interests because of _______" and then explain why.


Especially focus on how your reason is different than what I said. If it is.

You're a liar and an idiot. I help Americans every day. That is the business I'm in.

 

[Correll]

Dude, I'm in semi-retirement. I think you are hilarious. What country do you live in where self righteous smart asses get to determine what a man is as opposed to the man telling you what he is.

If I come out against drugs and abortion and the Libertarians are cool with that, I might just run as a Libertarian. I'll explain the deal to you:

I got out of the hospital after major surgery. So, I'm in stitches and can't get around. The overflow valve on the water heater goes out and I tell my wife to pick up another one at Home Depot.

I call a plumber that wants $40 to make a "service call." I tell him what's wrong and have the part. He goes to his truck and after 40 minutes he comes back with a "proposal." It was for $240 plus the $40 service charge. I told him that I had already told him I was an ex Seabee. I know what it takes to fix this freaking stuff. I paid him $40 and gave him 40 seconds to be off my property.

I picked up the phone and called the first laborer I had a number for. He came over and changed the overflow out in under 15 minutes. I asked him what I owed him. He said, you think $30 is reasonable?

Now, had Bubba done that job. He would have gotten $280 for a 15 minute job. That puts him at $1,120 an hour. Are there not four 15 minute segments in an hour? Allow for the trip out here and taxes, it works out to about $985 per hour. THAT is why you have undocumented foreigners working jobs, making damn good money and allowing people to be able to live in and keep their homes.

Any person that would allow the Bubbas to take advantage of them are idiots. Poor people; those on fixed incomes; those who are on disability... they cannot afford to pay you a surgeon's wages for a job where the skill set takes six months to learn and their lives aren't at stake. So, those people are traitors for keeping their homes and not leaving it because some redneck with an over sized truck thinks he should be paid as much as a surgeon? You are beyond foolish and anyone that reads your bullshit probably realizes that smokers ARE people with a low IQ.

Right now my business is the ministry. I help people get back on their feet. I help people in poor neighborhoods get repairs done for what they can afford. On my end, I don't make much of anything. I planned for my retirement. But, son, these guys thinking they are going to go into neighborhoods and rip people off to appease folks like you are the real traitors... and so are you for not acknowledging the real problems.

I disagree. I paid an American $200 to detail my car. I know I could have found an illegal to do it cheaper but I was glad to pay an American company an American wage. That's the only way we are going to make America great again. An illegal shouldn't even be an option.

I felt like maybe these guys doing car detailing and landscaping can finally charge a rate that will give them a good standard of living. I don't mind paying a little more. Hell, I paid a lot more.

Remember, I make $90K plus a year and I have no mortgage, no kids going to college and I paid off my college loans in 1995.

The funny thing about hiring illegals is that it's not poor Americans who need to save that are doing it. It's rich guys like you. This is just one reason the rich have gotten richer in the last few decades and the middle class has disappeared or shrunk. I read somewhere that people who employ illegals save billions of dollars every year. That means you are stealing from middle class and poor Americans. It's not right. And you are proving that class warfare does exist. And you clearly don't respect American workers. To you we are lazy and charge too much. Funny, that's what we think about your company.

I have the luxury of working in Manufacturing and in Michigan. A union state where labor still makes a pretty good living. My brother just confirmed with me that the new company he just went to treats their employees like shit. For decades he thought I was making that up. Now that he works for a company that isn't in manufacturing, he is seeing that not all companies treat their employees like they should.

And that Koch company that got caught hiring all those illegals in Mississippi? They pay $12. That's shit. And from the lawsuits I saw they went through, they too treat their employees like shit. You cons and employers love it this way. Where employees are helpless and have to take your shit and your $12 hr shitty job.

Here is the thing I think we should remember. Me and you share a goal Seely, the best interests of the American citizens, individually and America as a whole.


A lot of people, are not motivated by that, for different reasons.


Rockwell, has ideological problems with the idea that American policy should be crafted to serve the interests of Americans.


I've run into that kind of thinking a lot.

Our policies cannot be crafted so as to make Americans choose between keeping their homes or losing them just because some people think a six month skill set is worth the same as the man who spent 8 years to learn his trade.

Is that an admission that what I said was true? Actually yes, that is an admission that what I said was true.


You just could not bring yourself to admit it clearly.



Try again. Says something along the lines of, "Yes, that is true, I do not support having American policy based on serving American interests because of _______" and then explain why.


Especially focus on how your reason is different than what I said. If it is.

You're a liar and an idiot. I help Americans every day. That is the business I'm in.

If I was a liar and an idiot, you would not have just tried to change the subject.


You have ideological issues with the idea of crafting American government policy with the intent of serving the interests of American citizens.


YOu consider doing that, morally and ethnically, and perhaps even legally "wrong".

 

[Porter Rockwell]

I disagree. I paid an American $200 to detail my car. I know I could have found an illegal to do it cheaper but I was glad to pay an American company an American wage. That's the only way we are going to make America great again. An illegal shouldn't even be an option.

I felt like maybe these guys doing car detailing and landscaping can finally charge a rate that will give them a good standard of living. I don't mind paying a little more. Hell, I paid a lot more.

Remember, I make $90K plus a year and I have no mortgage, no kids going to college and I paid off my college loans in 1995.

The funny thing about hiring illegals is that it's not poor Americans who need to save that are doing it. It's rich guys like you. This is just one reason the rich have gotten richer in the last few decades and the middle class has disappeared or shrunk. I read somewhere that people who employ illegals save billions of dollars every year. That means you are stealing from middle class and poor Americans. It's not right. And you are proving that class warfare does exist. And you clearly don't respect American workers. To you we are lazy and charge too much. Funny, that's what we think about your company.

I have the luxury of working in Manufacturing and in Michigan. A union state where labor still makes a pretty good living. My brother just confirmed with me that the new company he just went to treats their employees like shit. For decades he thought I was making that up. Now that he works for a company that isn't in manufacturing, he is seeing that not all companies treat their employees like they should.

And that Koch company that got caught hiring all those illegals in Mississippi? They pay $12. That's shit. And from the lawsuits I saw they went through, they too treat their employees like shit. You cons and employers love it this way. Where employees are helpless and have to take your shit and your $12 hr shitty job.

Here is the thing I think we should remember. Me and you share a goal Seely, the best interests of the American citizens, individually and America as a whole.


A lot of people, are not motivated by that, for different reasons.


Rockwell, has ideological problems with the idea that American policy should be crafted to serve the interests of Americans.


I've run into that kind of thinking a lot.

Our policies cannot be crafted so as to make Americans choose between keeping their homes or losing them just because some people think a six month skill set is worth the same as the man who spent 8 years to learn his trade.

Is that an admission that what I said was true? Actually yes, that is an admission that what I said was true.


You just could not bring yourself to admit it clearly.



Try again. Says something along the lines of, "Yes, that is true, I do not support having American policy based on serving American interests because of _______" and then explain why.


Especially focus on how your reason is different than what I said. If it is.

You're a liar and an idiot. I help Americans every day. That is the business I'm in.

If I was a liar and an idiot, you would not have just tried to change the subject.


You have ideological issues with the idea of crafting American government policy with the intent of serving the interests of American citizens.


YOu consider doing that, morally and ethnically, and perhaps even legally "wrong".

I did not change the subject. Are you asking me what I think or TELLING me what I think?

 

[Correll]

Here is the thing I think we should remember. Me and you share a goal Seely, the best interests of the American citizens, individually and America as a whole.


A lot of people, are not motivated by that, for different reasons.


Rockwell, has ideological problems with the idea that American policy should be crafted to serve the interests of Americans.


I've run into that kind of thinking a lot.

Our policies cannot be crafted so as to make Americans choose between keeping their homes or losing them just because some people think a six month skill set is worth the same as the man who spent 8 years to learn his trade.

Is that an admission that what I said was true? Actually yes, that is an admission that what I said was true.


You just could not bring yourself to admit it clearly.



Try again. Says something along the lines of, "Yes, that is true, I do not support having American policy based on serving American interests because of _______" and then explain why.


Especially focus on how your reason is different than what I said. If it is.

You're a liar and an idiot. I help Americans every day. That is the business I'm in.

If I was a liar and an idiot, you would not have just tried to change the subject.


You have ideological issues with the idea of crafting American government policy with the intent of serving the interests of American citizens.


YOu consider doing that, morally and ethnically, and perhaps even legally "wrong".

I did not change the subject. Are you asking me what I think or TELLING me what I think?

I'm telling Seely, what your ideology is, based on our many discussions of national policy.


If I got something wrong, then tell us what I got wrong, and what your real position is.

 

[danielpalos]

it means you are simply clueless and Causeless.

Just because you are an idiot does not make me clueless or causeless. You are such a simpleton, you call me right wing and you've never had enough common sense to ASK what my cause is. Now, I wouldn't even share that with you without an apology.

I can just laugh my ass off at you for being so smug about your stupidity, thinking you have something beneficial to say.

only the incompetent, say that.

You're a legend in your own mind. You need some new material. You don't hold a monopoly on understanding.

I cited our California State Constitution a few posts back. You still have nothing but fallacy instead of Any valid arguments.

You've never quoted anything and California doesn't apply to me. If you told a judge that his rulings were fallacy, he'd probably tell you that you were in contempt of court. So, you know what I think about your idiotic bullshit. BTW, you need some new material.

lol. you don't know what you are talking about.

I cited our California State Constitution regarding natural rights. They are available via Due Process not our Second Amendment.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Our policies cannot be crafted so as to make Americans choose between keeping their homes or losing them just because some people think a six month skill set is worth the same as the man who spent 8 years to learn his trade.

Is that an admission that what I said was true? Actually yes, that is an admission that what I said was true.


You just could not bring yourself to admit it clearly.



Try again. Says something along the lines of, "Yes, that is true, I do not support having American policy based on serving American interests because of _______" and then explain why.


Especially focus on how your reason is different than what I said. If it is.

You're a liar and an idiot. I help Americans every day. That is the business I'm in.

If I was a liar and an idiot, you would not have just tried to change the subject.


You have ideological issues with the idea of crafting American government policy with the intent of serving the interests of American citizens.


YOu consider doing that, morally and ethnically, and perhaps even legally "wrong".

I did not change the subject. Are you asking me what I think or TELLING me what I think?

I'm telling Seely, what your ideology is, based on our many discussions of national policy.


If I got something wrong, then tell us what I got wrong, and what your real position is.

If you gave a shit what my personal feelings and beliefs are, you would have ASKED before presuming. Do you see how productive and possible working relationships don't come to be because one thinks he's a freaking mind reader?

If someone wants to know what I think, they will ask.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Just because you are an idiot does not make me clueless or causeless. You are such a simpleton, you call me right wing and you've never had enough common sense to ASK what my cause is. Now, I wouldn't even share that with you without an apology.

I can just laugh my ass off at you for being so smug about your stupidity, thinking you have something beneficial to say.

only the incompetent, say that.

You're a legend in your own mind. You need some new material. You don't hold a monopoly on understanding.

I cited our California State Constitution a few posts back. You still have nothing but fallacy instead of Any valid arguments.

You've never quoted anything and California doesn't apply to me. If you told a judge that his rulings were fallacy, he'd probably tell you that you were in contempt of court. So, you know what I think about your idiotic bullshit. BTW, you need some new material.

lol. you don't know what you are talking about.

I cited our California State Constitution regarding natural rights. They are available via Due Process not our Second Amendment.

No you didn't. I have some time on my hands. Do you want to retain me at 40 percent of what we can get if you sue your brains for non-support?