If you have ever had negative thoughts about Yahweh, you are close to a Gnostic Christian.

[RodISHI]

Sure. Yahweh called it good and then put Satan right into Eden beside Eve and then cursed the earth in Gen 3.

That aside.

You do not seem to have separated our myths from our beliefs.

Tell us please, does the following seen to you like we do not think matter to be good?

Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.

If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.

Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.

[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.

But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

Did the Cathars who built their extremely nice and peaceful community seem to hate the rather beautiful world they lived in before Christianity decimated them with their Inquisition?

Regards
DL

So where in Genesis do we have the word "Satan"?
I'll wait...

take your cheep point.

It is not there but Christian dogma says that the talking serpent is Satan, the great deceiver.

Who do you think took over that serpent if not Satan? Or do you think serpents can talk human naturally?

Regards
DL

Guess who had free will?
Adam.
Eve.
The snake,
Welcome to reality.

Now tell me what the Hebrew word Sah-tahn means.

Can you have free will to choose between variables, when you do not know the variables?

A & E are shown to be too stupid to even know they were naked. That is why they did not know to clothe themselves.

That stupidity would apply to all decision, as without the knowledge of good and evil, a knowledge that applies to all things and concepts you can think of, therefore a free will cannot exist. That is why scriptures say their eyes were closed.

You chose to have me look at a Jewish word so listen to this Rabbi explain why A & E did not have the desire required to have a free will. To desire, you have to know the variables and they did not know those.



Welcome to a real reality and not one where serpents talk.

Regards
DL

The word nah-chash does not mean snake, it means "someone who is charming".
The beauty of Judaism is that many people have many opinions on many subjects but there's only one way for one to be kosher.

In the case of the serpent in the garden it is speaking about the human's or even humans 'gazing, or looking (searching) intently'. In Arabic Nachash is 'viper'. The root is to shine. Humans like shiny things.


just a quick google online search says....The serpent was a symbol of evil power and chaos from the underworld as well as a symbol of fertility, life and healing. Nachash, Hebrew for "snake", is also associated with divination, including the verb-form meaning to practice divination or fortune-telling.

 

[phaethon]

So my expectations are: I will still be a part of this world when I die, the only change is the loss of a physical body and perhaps the absence of a meaningful legacy. A whole must be homogeneous with it's parts

Odd. You follow many men, but didn't include God's model of the after life. Do you have something against God?
There is no chaos in the cosmos. Cosmos means order. Something the ancients didn't know.
According to Moses, God created everything. The Emperor was wrong.
The earth became void. God didn't create void. He created the heavens and the earth. It became void, it was rendered void. The darkness described after He created the earth wasn't cosmic darkness or dark matter, it is described in the Bible as an unnatural darkness. That would be Satan. But then again, you don't believe in spirits, and that is what God and Satan and you are.
So tell me in what capacity you will remain part of this world after you die. And what "whole" are you referring to that you plan on becoming a part of?

Oh but it does fit your god's model. You Christians are the ones who have misunderstood it. Not even the Jews have demonstrated such impiety. Luke 16: The rich man, now deprived of his pleasures, is tormented by his loss and still yearns for it. Notice there is no mention of faith or works here.

Also, Wisdom of Solomon 3: "But the souls of the righteous are in the hand of God, and no torment will ever touch them. In the eyes of the foolish they seemed to have died, and their departure was thought to be a disaster, and their going from us to be their destruction; but they are at peace."

But what is the representation of a cosmos? Your own Cyril of Alexandria quotes from Plutarch: "Pythagoras was the first to name the mass of the universe the 'Cosmos', according to the order which rules in it. Thales and those who hold his doctrines profess that the universe is unique..." Plutarch also said: "The Stoics say that the figure of the world is spherical." According to Laertius, Xenophanes taught: "The substance of God is spherical, in no way resembling man." This Xenophanes was also an ardent opponent of anthropomorphism and he was hailed by Clement of Alexandria for such: "Xenophanes of Colophon puts it well indeed in teaching that god is one and without a body." Is it right to cull one teaching and neglect the other? The ancients did know about the cosmos.

You are familiar with the difference between Genesis chapters 1 and 2? How the Genesis 2 narrative seems to be from a down-to-earth perspective? It is the same case with the first two verses of Genesis chapter 1. In Genesis 1:1, the heavens indicate the general sky and only this earth is mentioned. Whereas Genesis 1:2 takes the whole into account. Even the Quran, chapter 1 verse 2, has a superior perspective with the title "Lord of the Worlds".

You have seen how people live on in memory by their monuments, buildings, and companies? Or in photos, yearbooks, and films? Those are just one of the many ways they are still a part of this world. And by the "whole", I do not have the nihilistic Ecclesiastes 12:7 in mind. That is a misrepresentation of anima mundi.

 

[The Irish Ram]

And yet Ec. 12:7 IS God's model, and the opposite of what you believe.
Then there's Paul's "Absent from the body, is present with the Lord".
And then there is Jesus, who went to prepare mansions for us, not for a picture in a yearbook.
And then there are all those Bible scholars, who have spent their lives researching God's word and according to your Biblical expertise, they all got it wrong, so, then comes you to straighten them all out by not listening to the word, but adding to and taking away from it. According to God, there are spirits. You are one such creation.

Faith vs works is one of the main themes in the Bible, even though it isn't reiterated in every verse.

You view point isn't even close to God's word. Ecclesiastes is God's word. Nothing is misrepresented. It says what it means and means what it says. An interpretation
is not necessary:

Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

^ Period.

 

[Picaro]

If you have ever had negative thoughts about Yahweh, you are close to a Gnostic Christian.


You have shown that you can think freely and have a decent moral sense as compared to Christians and their less than moral sense that allows them to adore a genocidal God.


John Lennon, “It seems to me that the only true Christians were the Gnostics,”


In fact, many think that the best Christians are Gnostic Christians. Even if you are an atheist, you are likely a better Christian than most Christians as their morals have been corrupted by their beliefs enough to have them adore a vile genocidal God that Gnostic Christians call demiurge. In a sense, not that she exists, but demiurge is equivalent to Satan.


Please remember that Gnostic Christians so not hold any supernatural beliefs and religiously speaking, create much more peaceful people than Christians. The Cathars were a good example of this truth.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ptNcSYo7k4


http://thegodabovegod.com/difference-gnostic-christian/


http://thegodabovegod.com/gnostic/


Are you close to a Gnostic Christian in how you can think freely and morally?


Regards

DL

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'Gnosticism' is complete garbage, always was, always will be.

 

[Picaro]

. Although the modern Gnostic recognizes that the OT god and NT god are irreconcilable concepts, ..

No, they aren't; in fact they're internally consistent and heavily inter-related literature and philosophy.

I think it's pretty dangerous to base one's worldview on a collection of books which may be incomplete or not derived from the original source.

Like science books? ...

The Gnostics had numerous sects (i.e. Marcion). What we know of the Gnostics come from the Church Fathers and from manuscripts uncovered in 1945.

Marcion wasn't a Gnostic, and Gnosticism was never a major movement, just a tiny collection of cranks. 'Numerous' is not the same as a lot of people running around, it means a half dozen little groups of pseudo-intellectuals arguing among themselves. The orthodoxy prevailed because it was the most widespread and accurate, and the books of the OT and NT are historically the earliest and best of the lot.

 

[phaethon]

And yet Ec. 12:7 IS God's model, and the opposite of what you believe.
Then there's Paul's "Absent from the body, is present with the Lord".
And then there is Jesus, who went to prepare mansions for us, not for a picture in a yearbook.
And then there are all those Bible scholars, who have spent their lives researching God's word and according to your Biblical expertise, they all got it wrong, so, then comes you to straighten them all out by not listening to the word, but adding to and taking away from it. According to God, there are spirits. You are one such creation.

Faith vs works is one of the main themes in the Bible, even though it isn't reiterated in every verse.

You view point isn't even close to God's word. Ecclesiastes is God's word. Nothing is misrepresented. It says what it means and means what it says. An interpretation
is not necessary:

Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

^ Period.

It seems to me that Ecclesiastes is a mishmash of foreign ideas and alien values. If it was written by Solomon, recall that he had apostatized and had been influenced by his many foreign wives. Nowhere does it indicate that he repented, as Christians commentaries have insinuated. What does the Talmud commentary say on this matter?

Julian:

"But," the Galileans answer, "Solomon was also proficient in the secret cult of God." What then? Did not this Solomon serve our gods also, deluded by his wife, as they assert? What great virtue! What wealth of wisdom! He could not rise superior to pleasure, and the arguments of a woman led him astray! Then if he was deluded by a woman, do not call this man wise. But if you are convinced that he was wise, do not believe that he was deluded by a woman, but that, trusting to his own judgement and intelligence and the teaching that he received from the God who had been revealed to him, he served the other gods also.

Heraclitus taught that "much learning does not make understanding". His criticism towards Pythagoras can also apply to Solomon. Knowledge entails risks if you do not work upon it until you make sense of it. That is the kind of thing that lands people in mental hospitals. Bible scholars understand nothing, but deliberately distort Jewish scripture to mean something else. Your own Paul would have dismissed them as superficial gaugers, puffed up by their knowledge (1 Cor. 8:1-2).

Hitler:

Otherwise, only a confused jumble of chaotic notions will result from all reading, and this jumble is not merely useless, but it also tends to make the unfortunate possessor of it conceited, for he seriously considers himself a well-educated person and thinks that he understands something of life. He believes that he has acquired knowledge, whereas the truth is that every increase in such ‘knowledge’ draws him more and more away from real life, until he finally ends up in some sanatorium or takes to politics and becomes a member of parliament.

You see, even madmen understand this simple concept.

And a word on mansions: "If we saw a handsome mansion, we should infer that it was built for its masters and not for mice; so therefore we must deem the world to be the mansion of the gods."

"Heaven" is not for human souls, but for the souls of loftier heavenly bodies (stars, sun, moon).

Marcion wasn't a Gnostic, and Gnosticism was never a major movement, just a tiny collection of cranks. 'Numerous' is not the same as a lot of people running around, it means a half dozen little groups of pseudo-intellectuals arguing among themselves. The orthodoxy prevailed because it was the most widespread and accurate, and the books of the OT and NT are historically the earliest and best of the lot.

See, it's that easy to rewrite history. The whole history of mankind is simply untenable. There is nothing to learn from it because it is just a jumble of hearsay and gossip! Rumors and speculations! In the end, we can only study the people who are involved in it.

A monstrous ideology like Christianity could not have existed unless it had first annihilated it's basis of knowledge. The original gnostics were persecuted and in their place we have uncovered the most impious writings about the demiurge, existence, etc., which are infinitely worse than those taught by Christianity, because they are what gave birth to it.

According to Celsus, Christianity was originally one, but it splintered into many competing sects, as part of a diaspora, from which they all derived benefit from. Divide and conquer. It's easy to see where they got this from. The very prerequisite of Judaism is a worldwide distribution of Jews.

 

[Picaro]

See, it's that easy to rewrite history.

Well, it's certainly easy to spot those who haven't read any of it and think that means they get to make up their own, as you do. First you claim it was all scattered n stuff and everybody did their own thing, and then contradict yourself with the usual conspiratard rubbish claims that there was this Big Giant Coordinated Conspiracy that magically wiped out Da Hapless Gnostics N Stuff. lol go snort some more meth

 

[phaethon]

See, it's that easy to rewrite history.

Well, it's certainly easy to spot those who haven't read any of it and think that means they get to make up their own, as you do.

Simply a means to an end, if that's what it takes to rally people to a looming threat. The discovery of the Nag Hammadi library is a tremendous misfortune for humanity. There are even neo-Nazi sects that have incorporated the perverse quasi-gnostic philosophy.

As more Christians turn away from their religion, they either become atheistic and indifferent to religious matters or they arrive at their own interpretation of scriptures. The Catholic Church had this merit: it kept it's scriptures out of the hands of the illiterate. As a result, it's eventual dissolution was guaranteed. It would have suffered the fate of all priesthoods. If Luther hadn't stepped in, Christianity would have died centuries ago.

Anyhow, some of them have a strong yearning for the past and inquire into quasi-gnosticism or the Essenes sect. It is quite simply a return to Christianity's barbaric roots.

By the way, what brand of Christianity do you subscribe to?

 

[Penelope]

Rome kept Christianity alive for 1500 years and Luther didn't try to start a new religion. Many were illiterate and well we can see what happened to Christianity, so many sects and they are still being created, and so many interpretations of the bible, you can make the bible say whatever you want. Actually the RCC taught pretty much what the bible said , if one wants to include the Maccabees. Luther actually destroyed Christianity.

 

[phaethon]

Marcion wasn't a Gnostic

Hmm actually, thanks for the correction. It's been a while since I read through Marcion's writings. He's different.

Actually the RCC taught pretty much what the bible said , if one wants to include the Maccabees. Luther actually destroyed Christianity.

That's a good point, he did do a lot of damage. But Protestantism is basically a rejuvenated Christianity which forced the Catholic Church back into play.

 

[GreatestIam]

Can you have free will to choose between variables, when you do not know the variables?

A & E are shown to be too stupid to even know they were naked. That is why they did not know to clothe themselves.

That stupidity would apply to all decision, as without the knowledge of good and evil, a knowledge that applies to all things and concepts you can think of, therefore a free will cannot exist. That is why scriptures say their eyes were closed.

You chose to have me look at a Jewish word so listen to this Rabbi explain why A & E did not have the desire required to have a free will. To desire, you have to know the variables and they did not know those.



Welcome to a real reality and not one where serpents talk.

Regards
DL

The word nah-chash does not mean snake, it means "someone who is charming".
The beauty of Judaism is that many people have many opinions on many subjects but there's only one way for one to be kosher.

Which of the many Jewish sects is the kosher one?

I like the Karaites because they put man above God.

Jews range from fundamental fool to atheist.

Which is kosher?

Regards
DL

There are still Karaites around?
I don't join sects where sex is forbidden?

If sex were forbidden in it, which it isn't, Karaites would not still be around.

Are you sure your a Jew? They are usually more

Regards
DL

They forbid sex and get new members in order to exist.
What does this have to do with the fact that the Torah commands us to follow the rabbis of each generation?

Hogwash. Karaite Rabbis have a tradition of son's following their parents trade when they can.

I am willing to see what you are reading to make you think so strangely. Please provide it.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

You may be closer to Gnosticism, but you aren't any closer to wisdom, truth, or charity. That comes through Faith in Jesus Christ and repentance from your sins

So you think promoting an immoral substitutionary punishment policy is wise. Ok.

Compare your immoral wisdom to what a moral Bishop says of your immoral tenet.



Tell us my friend, if you had two children, would you punish the innocent one while allowing the guilty one to go unpunished?

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

I will agree that there are no spirit beings, but to reject notions of an afterlife (continuance after death) is sheer folly.

So there are no spirits, except there are spirits.

Let me know when you can make un-conflicting statements and we will chat some more.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Any of those bad bad Christians behead anybody lately? Sell any kidnapped slaves? Blow up people on a bus?
Shut up...

Yes they have. Do your research.

Regards
DL

Any videos of those beheadings? Or Jews putting people in cages and lowering them in the water to drowned? Or to be electrocuted? Have any pics of the little girls they slaughtered at their school desks? Put your videos where your mouth is.....

Both Christianity and Islam have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

So where in Genesis do we have the word "Satan"?
I'll wait...

take your cheep point.

It is not there but Christian dogma says that the talking serpent is Satan, the great deceiver.

Who do you think took over that serpent if not Satan? Or do you think serpents can talk human naturally?

Regards
DL

Guess who had free will?
Adam.
Eve.
The snake,
Welcome to reality.

Now tell me what the Hebrew word Sah-tahn means.

Can you have free will to choose between variables, when you do not know the variables?

A & E are shown to be too stupid to even know they were naked. That is why they did not know to clothe themselves.

That stupidity would apply to all decision, as without the knowledge of good and evil, a knowledge that applies to all things and concepts you can think of, therefore a free will cannot exist. That is why scriptures say their eyes were closed.

You chose to have me look at a Jewish word so listen to this Rabbi explain why A & E did not have the desire required to have a free will. To desire, you have to know the variables and they did not know those.



Welcome to a real reality and not one where serpents talk.

Regards
DL

The word nah-chash does not mean snake, it means "someone who is charming".
The beauty of Judaism is that many people have many opinions on many subjects but there's only one way for one to be kosher.

In the case of the serpent in the garden it is speaking about the human's or even humans 'gazing, or looking (searching) intently'. In Arabic Nachash is 'viper'. The root is to shine. Humans like shiny things.


just a quick google online search says....The serpent was a symbol of evil power and chaos from the underworld as well as a symbol of fertility, life and healing. Nachash, Hebrew for "snake", is also associated with divination, including the verb-form meaning to practice divination or fortune-telling.

Christians have a love/hate relationship with the serpent.

Matthew 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

Genesis 3 ;3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.

Regards
DL

 

[Indeependent]

The word nah-chash does not mean snake, it means "someone who is charming".
The beauty of Judaism is that many people have many opinions on many subjects but there's only one way for one to be kosher.

Which of the many Jewish sects is the kosher one?

I like the Karaites because they put man above God.

Jews range from fundamental fool to atheist.

Which is kosher?

Regards
DL

There are still Karaites around?
I don't join sects where sex is forbidden?

If sex were forbidden in it, which it isn't, Karaites would not still be around.

Are you sure your a Jew? They are usually more

Regards
DL

They forbid sex and get new members in order to exist.
What does this have to do with the fact that the Torah commands us to follow the rabbis of each generation?

Hogwash. Karaite Rabbis have a tradition of son's following their parents trade when they can.

I am willing to see what you are reading to make you think so strangely. Please provide it.

Regards
DL

I read an interview several years ago.
Other than that I don't know any.

FYI, all Jews have a tradition of following what their father's did.
Unless they find a way to make more money which is basically a 20th century innovation.

 

[Indeependent]

take your cheep point.

It is not there but Christian dogma says that the talking serpent is Satan, the great deceiver.

Who do you think took over that serpent if not Satan? Or do you think serpents can talk human naturally?

Regards
DL

Guess who had free will?
Adam.
Eve.
The snake,
Welcome to reality.

Now tell me what the Hebrew word Sah-tahn means.

Can you have free will to choose between variables, when you do not know the variables?

A & E are shown to be too stupid to even know they were naked. That is why they did not know to clothe themselves.

That stupidity would apply to all decision, as without the knowledge of good and evil, a knowledge that applies to all things and concepts you can think of, therefore a free will cannot exist. That is why scriptures say their eyes were closed.

You chose to have me look at a Jewish word so listen to this Rabbi explain why A & E did not have the desire required to have a free will. To desire, you have to know the variables and they did not know those.



Welcome to a real reality and not one where serpents talk.

Regards
DL

The word nah-chash does not mean snake, it means "someone who is charming".
The beauty of Judaism is that many people have many opinions on many subjects but there's only one way for one to be kosher.

In the case of the serpent in the garden it is speaking about the human's or even humans 'gazing, or looking (searching) intently'. In Arabic Nachash is 'viper'. The root is to shine. Humans like shiny things.


just a quick google online search says....The serpent was a symbol of evil power and chaos from the underworld as well as a symbol of fertility, life and healing. Nachash, Hebrew for "snake", is also associated with divination, including the verb-form meaning to practice divination or fortune-telling.

Christians have a love/hate relationship with the serpent.

Matthew 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

Genesis 3 ;3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.

Regards
DL

One's inclination to defy God is subtle.
If you read the verses carefully, it was Chava who intellectualized the words of the nachash.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Any of those bad bad Christians behead anybody lately? Sell any kidnapped slaves? Blow up people on a bus?
Shut up...

Yes they have. Do your research.

Regards
DL

Any videos of those beheadings? Or Jews putting people in cages and lowering them in the water to drowned? Or to be electrocuted? Have any pics of the little girls they slaughtered at their school desks? Put your videos where your mouth is.....

Both Christianity and Islam have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

Regards
DL

One lives by the sword. One does not. There is no comparison.

 

[GreatestIam]

If you have ever had negative thoughts about Yahweh, you are close to a Gnostic Christian.


You have shown that you can think freely and have a decent moral sense as compared to Christians and their less than moral sense that allows them to adore a genocidal God.


John Lennon, “It seems to me that the only true Christians were the Gnostics,”


In fact, many think that the best Christians are Gnostic Christians. Even if you are an atheist, you are likely a better Christian than most Christians as their morals have been corrupted by their beliefs enough to have them adore a vile genocidal God that Gnostic Christians call demiurge. In a sense, not that she exists, but demiurge is equivalent to Satan.


Please remember that Gnostic Christians so not hold any supernatural beliefs and religiously speaking, create much more peaceful people than Christians. The Cathars were a good example of this truth.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ptNcSYo7k4


http://thegodabovegod.com/difference-gnostic-christian/


http://thegodabovegod.com/gnostic/


Are you close to a Gnostic Christian in how you can think freely and morally?


Regards

DL

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'Gnosticism' is complete garbage, always was, always will be.

Only to the uneducated.

Let me help you with that.



Tell us please, were the Cathars evil enough to deserve Christianity using their Inquisition and murder against them?

Do you think freedom of religion is a good thing, considering how Christianity was against it?

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

. Although the modern Gnostic recognizes that the OT god and NT god are irreconcilable concepts, ..

No, they aren't; in fact they're internally consistent and heavily inter-related literature and philosophy.

I think it's pretty dangerous to base one's worldview on a collection of books which may be incomplete or not derived from the original source.

Like science books? ...

The Gnostics had numerous sects (i.e. Marcion). What we know of the Gnostics come from the Church Fathers and from manuscripts uncovered in 1945.

Marcion wasn't a Gnostic, and Gnosticism was never a major movement, just a tiny collection of cranks. 'Numerous' is not the same as a lot of people running around, it means a half dozen little groups of pseudo-intellectuals arguing among themselves. The orthodoxy prevailed because it was the most widespread and accurate, and the books of the OT and NT are historically the earliest and best of the lot.

The orthodox prevailed thanks to the various Inquisitions and it's denial of freedom of religion and thought.

Both Christianity and Islam have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

Regards
DL