If We Rewrote The Constitution...

[PMZ]

It would appear that the National Socialists and conservatives have something in common. Ditch the Constitution and start over.

The best argument there is for not changing a thing.

 

[National Socialist]

It would appear that the National Socialists and conservatives have something in common. Ditch the Constitution and start over.

The best argument there is for not changing a thing.

National Socialist. Far as I know I am the only one here. We agree on ditching it because its to vague and just doesn't work. Also they want something more conservative I want something totally different in National Socialism. A document for 1 race by 1 race intended to benefit 1 race.

 

[Iceman]

It's interesting that conservatives, always patting themselves on the back for being strong Constitutionalists, want more than liberals to change it.

Why do you worship a peace of paper? It is dead anyways, there is no bringing it back.

 

[PMZ]

It would appear that the National Socialists and conservatives have something in common. Ditch the Constitution and start over.

The best argument there is for not changing a thing.

National Socialist. Far as I know I am the only one here. We agree on ditching it because its to vague and just doesn't work. Also they want something more conservative I want something totally different in National Socialism. A document for 1 race by 1 race intended to benefit 1 race.

From this I conclude that NS is a racial organization?

Which race?

 

[PMZ]

It would appear that the National Socialists and conservatives have something in common. Ditch the Constitution and start over.

The best argument there is for not changing a thing.

National Socialist. Far as I know I am the only one here. We agree on ditching it because its to vague and just doesn't work. Also they want something more conservative I want something totally different in National Socialism. A document for 1 race by 1 race intended to benefit 1 race.

Just looked up your group on Wikipedia. White supremacist Nazis.

As I said. The most powerful reason there is for not changing the Constitution.

You are as out of step with America as any philosophy that I can imagine.

 

[National Socialist]

It would appear that the National Socialists and conservatives have something in common. Ditch the Constitution and start over.

The best argument there is for not changing a thing.

National Socialist. Far as I know I am the only one here. We agree on ditching it because its to vague and just doesn't work. Also they want something more conservative I want something totally different in National Socialism. A document for 1 race by 1 race intended to benefit 1 race.

From this I conclude that NS is a racial organization?

Which race?

NS is National Socialism. It can benefit ANY race in my case its the white race

It would appear that the National Socialists and conservatives have something in common. Ditch the Constitution and start over.

The best argument there is for not changing a thing.

National Socialist. Far as I know I am the only one here. We agree on ditching it because its to vague and just doesn't work. Also they want something more conservative I want something totally different in National Socialism. A document for 1 race by 1 race intended to benefit 1 race.

Just looked up your group on Wikipedia. White supremacist Nazis.

As I said. The most powerful reason there is for not changing the Constitution.

You are as out of step with America as any philosophy that I can imagine.

Lol. Not a white supremacist or a nazi. I am a National Socialist. The constitution is changing its being destroyed every day you just don't realize it.

 

[PMZ]

National Socialist. Far as I know I am the only one here. We agree on ditching it because its to vague and just doesn't work. Also they want something more conservative I want something totally different in National Socialism. A document for 1 race by 1 race intended to benefit 1 race.

From this I conclude that NS is a racial organization?

Which race?

NS is National Socialism. It can benefit ANY race in my case its the white race

National Socialist. Far as I know I am the only one here. We agree on ditching it because its to vague and just doesn't work. Also they want something more conservative I want something totally different in National Socialism. A document for 1 race by 1 race intended to benefit 1 race.

Just looked up your group on Wikipedia. White supremacist Nazis.

As I said. The most powerful reason there is for not changing the Constitution.

You are as out of step with America as any philosophy that I can imagine.

Lol. Not a white supremacist or a nazi. I am a National Socialist. The constitution is changing its being destroyed every day you just don't realize it.

The Constitution itself is not changing. There have always been threats to its pre-eminence but they have always been repelled.

I believe that the threat currently most in need of attention is our extreme wealth distribution inequity but my sense is that as people get better data about it pressure will mount for corrections.

The ACA for instance will defuse some of the tensions that too much gap between the have and have nots could lead to.

Some of the skin heads who post here might fall for what you're selling, but power for lunatic fringes is hard to come by in a democracy.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Strip from politicians the power to spend money that they are unwilling to collect from their current constituents. (Budgets balanced by law)

Strip from politicians the power to create 'special interests' using the tax code. (Fair and simple taxes)



Those two changes alone would go a long way toward ending the corruption plaguing DC today.

 

[PMZ]

Strip from politicians the power to spend money that they are unwilling to collect from their current constituents. (Budgets balanced by law)

Strip from politicians the power to create 'special interests' using the tax code. (Fair and simple taxes)



Those two changes alone would go a long way toward ending the corruption plaguing DC today.

If government ever even considered stripping family or corporations or organizations of the use of debt as a financial strategy, the hue and cry would rock the beltway as it should. We had one administration that abused that option and they are gone. While they left in their wake a mountain of debt that we must now climb out of, it would be foolish to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

 

[Listening]

Strip from politicians the power to spend money that they are unwilling to collect from their current constituents. (Budgets balanced by law)

Strip from politicians the power to create 'special interests' using the tax code. (Fair and simple taxes)



Those two changes alone would go a long way toward ending the corruption plaguing DC today.

How about simply a balanced budget requirement.

I'd also like to see a common accounting system and an integrated reporting system. I want to know what they are spending my money on.

 

[BillyZane]

Strip from politicians the power to spend money that they are unwilling to collect from their current constituents. (Budgets balanced by law)

Strip from politicians the power to create 'special interests' using the tax code. (Fair and simple taxes)



Those two changes alone would go a long way toward ending the corruption plaguing DC today.

How about simply a balanced budget requirement.

I'd also like to see a common accounting system and an integrated reporting system. I want to know what they are spending my money on.

A deficit is okay but only to a point. No different than a personal budget.

But yes outside of a limited black budget for defense purposes we should be able to account for every dime

 

[PMZ]

The problem is not the Federal accounting system but like is true for every multi national company you'd have to have a staff of full time experts to understand it.

If you've kept up for the last few thousand years our number and our technology has required narrower and narrower specialization. No alternative.

It is what it is and contrary to conservative wishes there is no putting the toothpaste back in the tube.

Let's get real.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Strip from politicians the power to spend money that they are unwilling to collect from their current constituents. (Budgets balanced by law)

Strip from politicians the power to create 'special interests' using the tax code. (Fair and simple taxes)



Those two changes alone would go a long way toward ending the corruption plaguing DC today.

How about simply a balanced budget requirement.

I'd also like to see a common accounting system and an integrated reporting system. I want to know what they are spending my money on.

A deficit is okay but only to a point. No different than a personal budget.

But yes outside of a limited black budget for defense purposes we should be able to account for every dime

Deficit spending as a way of life needs to end.

Borrowing money for a specific infrastructure project, with a scheduled repayment plan documented in the budget is a whole other story.

 

[PMZ]

How about simply a balanced budget requirement.

I'd also like to see a common accounting system and an integrated reporting system. I want to know what they are spending my money on.

A deficit is okay but only to a point. No different than a personal budget.

But yes outside of a limited black budget for defense purposes we should be able to account for every dime

Deficite spending as a way of life needs to end.

Borrowing money for a specific infrastructure project with a scheduled repayment plan documented in the budget is a whole other story.

Unfortunately the revenue to the Federal Government is wildly unpredictable. It's basically dependant on business and there is no organization behind business. It's millions of fiefdoms each trying to defeat each other, all slaves to make more money regardless of the cost to others.

And typically when revenue is stretched by underperforming businesses, expenses are up trying to keep people whole through the bad times.

It's a tough row to hoe.

What we have to, as the electorate, insist on, is in the good times pay off the bills from the bad ones.

Exactly why I think that Bush will be widely regarded as our worst President. He did exactly the wrong things relative to debt.

 

[BillyZane]

A deficit is okay but only to a point. No different than a personal budget.

But yes outside of a limited black budget for defense purposes we should be able to account for every dime

Deficite spending as a way of life needs to end.

Borrowing money for a specific infrastructure project with a scheduled repayment plan documented in the budget is a whole other story.

Unfortunately the revenue to the Federal Government is wildly unpredictable. It's basically dependant on business and there is no organization behind business. It's millions of fiefdoms each trying to defeat each other, all slaves to make more money regardless of the cost to others.

And typically when revenue is stretched by underperforming businesses, expenses are up trying to keep people whole through the bad times.

It's a tough row to hoe.

What we have to, as the electorate, insist on, is in the good times pay off the bills from the bad ones.

Exactly why I think that Bush will be widely regarded as our worst President. He did exactly the wrong things relative to debt.

Bush was George Washington compared to Obama.

Give me a break, the politics of out of control debt is popular with BOTH parties, it just depends on WHICH programs you are okay with going into debt for.

The US government should of course be able to borrow money when needed, but they should be under the same requirements as you or I when we go to a bank.

How much do you need? How long do you need it for? Okay, your payments would be $X. And if you can't afford those payments, you don't get the loan.

I can't even fathom what the USG's income/debt ratio is. Can you?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

A few changes I'd make

1. I'd make the first amendment clearer that no official religion does NOT mean that religion can't be practiced on public property.

2. I'd make it clear that gun ownership is a right that the FEDERAL government can only take under a few VERY specific circumstances, but that there simply is no right to carry firearms and governments may restrict that .

3. I would return to the practice of Presidential candidates running alone and the runner up becomes the VP.

4. I would repeal the so called "anchor baby" clause.

5. I would make ALL bills be presented to Congress on their OWN merits, no riders. NONE , NADA, ZILCH, NOT A SINGLE RIDER.

6. I would convert our tax system to a national sales tax of 10% no exemptions, no deductions.


Those 6 changes alone would do wonders for this country, and although I have others, that would be a great start.

Amen....

Great Catch !!!

Would adjust the 2nd Amendment so only veterans and law enforcement can play with guns on their days off. If no one ever taught you how to shoot, you shouldn't have a firearm. And if you wanna play with guns so bad, enlist in the military.

I'd throw out the current Tax Code and institute a fair tax which is the same for all (flat tax et al.)

Would support the proposed mod to the 1st Amendment as-is.

Would add a few tweaks to the Criminal Code including but not limited to:

- When minors commit crimes, their parents are legally liable.
- If you take a life unlawfully, you're executed. 1 Appeal, but if ya loose that you die that day. No more of this years on Death Row nonsense.
- Would legalize all illicit drugs. If we can choose to die drinking a whole bottle of liquor, forbidding others the right to fry their brain or OD on their substance of choice is hypocritical.

Would institute term limits on every political office. If two four-year terms is good enough for our country's leader, it's good enough for everybody else. No more career politicians.

And in answer to Bill Maher's "Religolous" congressman's quote of "There's no IQ requirement to run for congress." I'd implement an IQ requirement of at least 140. Why let the dumb lead?

 

[PMZ]

Deficite spending as a way of life needs to end.

Borrowing money for a specific infrastructure project with a scheduled repayment plan documented in the budget is a whole other story.

Unfortunately the revenue to the Federal Government is wildly unpredictable. It's basically dependant on business and there is no organization behind business. It's millions of fiefdoms each trying to defeat each other, all slaves to make more money regardless of the cost to others.

And typically when revenue is stretched by underperforming businesses, expenses are up trying to keep people whole through the bad times.

It's a tough row to hoe.

What we have to, as the electorate, insist on, is in the good times pay off the bills from the bad ones.

Exactly why I think that Bush will be widely regarded as our worst President. He did exactly the wrong things relative to debt.

Bush was George Washington compared to Obama.

Give me a break, the politics of out of control debt is popular with BOTH parties, it just depends on WHICH programs you are okay with going into debt for.

The US government should of course be able to borrow money when needed, but they should be under the same requirements as you or I when we go to a bank.

How much do you need? How long do you need it for? Okay, your payments would be $X. And if you can't afford those payments, you don't get the loan.

I can't even fathom what the USG's income/debt ratio is. Can you?

Every nickle of our current debt came from either Bush policies directly, like his millions for family and friends tax cuts, and holy wars, or the direct result of his policies like the cost of, or recovery from, the Great Recession.

 

[BillyZane]

Unfortunately the revenue to the Federal Government is wildly unpredictable. It's basically dependant on business and there is no organization behind business. It's millions of fiefdoms each trying to defeat each other, all slaves to make more money regardless of the cost to others.

And typically when revenue is stretched by underperforming businesses, expenses are up trying to keep people whole through the bad times.

It's a tough row to hoe.

What we have to, as the electorate, insist on, is in the good times pay off the bills from the bad ones.

Exactly why I think that Bush will be widely regarded as our worst President. He did exactly the wrong things relative to debt.

Bush was George Washington compared to Obama.

Give me a break, the politics of out of control debt is popular with BOTH parties, it just depends on WHICH programs you are okay with going into debt for.

The US government should of course be able to borrow money when needed, but they should be under the same requirements as you or I when we go to a bank.

How much do you need? How long do you need it for? Okay, your payments would be $X. And if you can't afford those payments, you don't get the loan.

I can't even fathom what the USG's income/debt ratio is. Can you?

Every nickle of our current debt came from either Bush policies directly, like his millions for family and friends tax cuts, and holy wars, or the direct result of his policies like the cost of, or recovery from, the Great Recession.

Hmmm, my mistake. I thought this was the area for adult discussions. Blaming a guy for deficit spending that occurs 6 years after that guy left office isn't exactly adult discussion.

 

[PMZ]

Bush was George Washington compared to Obama.

Give me a break, the politics of out of control debt is popular with BOTH parties, it just depends on WHICH programs you are okay with going into debt for.

The US government should of course be able to borrow money when needed, but they should be under the same requirements as you or I when we go to a bank.

How much do you need? How long do you need it for? Okay, your payments would be $X. And if you can't afford those payments, you don't get the loan.

I can't even fathom what the USG's income/debt ratio is. Can you?

Every nickle of our current debt came from either Bush policies directly, like his millions for family and friends tax cuts, and holy wars, or the direct result of his policies like the cost of, or recovery from, the Great Recession.

Hmmm, my mistake. I thought this was the area for adult discussions. Blaming a guy for deficit spending that occurs 6 years after that guy left office isn't exactly adult discussion.

Policies cause national debt. Dates don't.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Every nickle of our current debt came from either Bush policies directly, like his millions for family and friends tax cuts, and holy wars, or the direct result of his policies like the cost of, or recovery from, the Great Recession.

Hmmm, my mistake. I thought this was the area for adult discussions. Blaming a guy for deficit spending that occurs 6 years after that guy left office isn't exactly adult discussion.

Policies cause national debt. Dates don't.

In terms of debt only: yes and no. Policies are the major drivers of debt. But a catastrophic mistake made by a president can jack up the debt, as we saw with George W. Bush, Jr. and the Iraq war.

But not ALL of the debt was accrued under Bush 43.

It is, however, a lot like a guy who started a heavy snowball at the top of the hill and starting to let it roll down, then walked away and criticized the other guy at the bottom of the hill for not stopping what has now become a boulder.