If this is true, we are in trouble...

[Foxfyre]

Here ya go!

The US Ranks Last in Health Care System Performance

FYI; Those that have means always receive preferential care.

OMG, you really picked a far-left one, didn't you? From your article:

Simply put, one's health overview—meaning access to care, affordability, and quality of outcomes—has a dramatic affect on one's level of happiness.

Other determinants of unhappiness—including poor working conditions, unemployment, poverty—are themselves strongly associated with poor health outcomes, especially in the absence of universal access to (quality) care.

More generally, financial insecurity (especially fearof unemployment or underemployment) contribute to chronic stress and anxiety, among other psychological problems, that in turn are detrimental to physical well-being. All of these conditions are clearly determined in part by our economic and social policies, which we can—if we wish—change so as to maximize our health and happiness.

In short, what this guy is saying is that Socialism is the answer to happiness and health. The Commonwealth Fund is an organization that promotes Socialized medical care. It's as bogus as it gets.

The United States once DID have the best health care in the world when it was strictly privately or local government controlled. But almost the very day that the federal government began getting involved, fraud was evident and prices began spiraling upwards to the point that the average family HAS to have insurance to afford even a routine visit to the doctor. And even though medical science has advanced dramatically--many conditions that were once essentially a death sentence no longer are--American health care has deteriorated to a less than optimum policies and procedures dictated by the insurance companies and the government rather than hands on diagnosis and treatment tailored to a specific patient. Your doctor probably uses the computer more than medical insight and skill to diagnose, treat, and prescribe for you.

Obamacare was supposed to fix all that, right? Alas it only made it much much worse and accelerated the downward spiral into automated medicine instead of medicine as a science and an art. Many wonderfully skilled doctors gave up trying and left medicine altogether. And we all know the promised savings to government and individuals never materialized and the costs escalated.

Government run healthcare may seem cheaper, simpler, easier. But it is not the best way to have a healthcare system.

You're 100% wrong. Th HMO Act was on of the best bipartisan regulations written, because both sides of the aisle saw where Corporate America was headed. The HMO Act worked well until it was deregulated by Reagan, and today we have the results of deregulation.

We buy our healthcare from the company store, and the company store is making record profits.

After spending a substantial amount of my working years working with, for, and around doctors and hospitals and being in positions to evaluate what was happening with both policy and medical costs, I will respectively disagree. Every point of course is not a negative but taking the entire issue as a whole, federal involvement has been far more negative than positive.

If by federal involvement means deregulating the HMO act, I agree.

Federal involvement also created the HMO act and infused our tax dollars into the process. There were benefits and also a lot of problems with it. One of the main problems was that once people learned to benefit from all that federal money, 34% of the money was going to administration, executive salaries, sales commissions et al and only 68% of the money was going to healthcare that was greatly escalated in costs that were already escalated with the implementation of Medicare and Medicaid in the 1960's. There are always greedy people eager to latch on to 'free' government money and there is no way the central government can efficiently and effectively and economically administer most social programs in a country as widespread and diverse as ours is.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So what I'm hearing you say is that you read an article ABOUT the report, and then just ran with the headline, without actually reading or internalizing what the report itself said or how it arrived at its conclusions.

Commonwealth Fund is infamous for cherrypicking and shading its "facts" for its healthcare studies.

Please present opposing facts. Good luck.

Researchers evaluated 18 malignancies that represented 75% of cancer diagnoses: cancers of the esophagus, stomach, colon, rectum, liver, pancreas, lung, female breast, cervix, ovary and prostate; adult melanoma; brain tumors; leukemia; and lymphoma in children and adults.

Survival trends generally increased across countries, even for lethal cancers. Researchers observed increases up to 5 percentage points for liver, pancreatic and lung cancers.

For women diagnosed with breast cancer between 2010 and 2014, 5-year survival rates reached 89.5% in Australia and 90.2% in the United States, but generally varied worldwide and remained low in some countries, such as at 66.1% in India.

US cancer survival rates remain among highest in world

"Five-year survival for the most common 18 cancers remained highest globally for the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, followed by Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden, according to data through 2014 from CONCORD-3."

Now pick out the most affordable countries for healthcare.

That's not what we were talking about. We were discussing the quality of our care compared to others.

The number one reason for bankruptcy for workers in the US is medical bills. How is that not quality of care?

No, that is false. People who went into bankruptcy had other issues that drove them there; medical costs was only one of them.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No, that’s what I called when I told you to quote what I said that would make anybody think Mike and I are the same people. You couldn’t because you lied about it. You lose.


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Well played. You've deleted all of your MikeTX posts from the thread.

Bull. This service only allows you to edit and delete for a few hours after you post. After that the option is no longer there.

Then how did you do it?

I didn't do anything. I'd look for it myself but I have no idea WTF you're talking about. Why don't you ask USMB what happened to it? I don't use a sock because I have no need for one.

"sock"/"socks" - Yeap boys, we have a real live "hacker" in out midst. You work for the Russians or Koch?

How did you ever get so far out there? I've been on this service for over three years. You're the only one that ever made that accusation. Bet you think you're slick or something.

 

[OnePercenter]

Please present opposing facts. Good luck.

Researchers evaluated 18 malignancies that represented 75% of cancer diagnoses: cancers of the esophagus, stomach, colon, rectum, liver, pancreas, lung, female breast, cervix, ovary and prostate; adult melanoma; brain tumors; leukemia; and lymphoma in children and adults.

Survival trends generally increased across countries, even for lethal cancers. Researchers observed increases up to 5 percentage points for liver, pancreatic and lung cancers.

For women diagnosed with breast cancer between 2010 and 2014, 5-year survival rates reached 89.5% in Australia and 90.2% in the United States, but generally varied worldwide and remained low in some countries, such as at 66.1% in India.

US cancer survival rates remain among highest in world

"Five-year survival for the most common 18 cancers remained highest globally for the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, followed by Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden, according to data through 2014 from CONCORD-3."

Now pick out the most affordable countries for healthcare.

That's not what we were talking about. We were discussing the quality of our care compared to others.

The number one reason for bankruptcy for workers in the US is medical bills. How is that not quality of care?

/——/,People used to be able to buy catastrophic insurance to protect them from major illness but Obozo said No way Jose and killed those policies

Why would you buy a high deductible policy when you can't afford the deductible?

 

[OnePercenter]

OMG, you really picked a far-left one, didn't you? From your article:

Simply put, one's health overview—meaning access to care, affordability, and quality of outcomes—has a dramatic affect on one's level of happiness.

Other determinants of unhappiness—including poor working conditions, unemployment, poverty—are themselves strongly associated with poor health outcomes, especially in the absence of universal access to (quality) care.

More generally, financial insecurity (especially fearof unemployment or underemployment) contribute to chronic stress and anxiety, among other psychological problems, that in turn are detrimental to physical well-being. All of these conditions are clearly determined in part by our economic and social policies, which we can—if we wish—change so as to maximize our health and happiness.

In short, what this guy is saying is that Socialism is the answer to happiness and health. The Commonwealth Fund is an organization that promotes Socialized medical care. It's as bogus as it gets.

The United States once DID have the best health care in the world when it was strictly privately or local government controlled. But almost the very day that the federal government began getting involved, fraud was evident and prices began spiraling upwards to the point that the average family HAS to have insurance to afford even a routine visit to the doctor. And even though medical science has advanced dramatically--many conditions that were once essentially a death sentence no longer are--American health care has deteriorated to a less than optimum policies and procedures dictated by the insurance companies and the government rather than hands on diagnosis and treatment tailored to a specific patient. Your doctor probably uses the computer more than medical insight and skill to diagnose, treat, and prescribe for you.

Obamacare was supposed to fix all that, right? Alas it only made it much much worse and accelerated the downward spiral into automated medicine instead of medicine as a science and an art. Many wonderfully skilled doctors gave up trying and left medicine altogether. And we all know the promised savings to government and individuals never materialized and the costs escalated.

Government run healthcare may seem cheaper, simpler, easier. But it is not the best way to have a healthcare system.

You're 100% wrong. Th HMO Act was on of the best bipartisan regulations written, because both sides of the aisle saw where Corporate America was headed. The HMO Act worked well until it was deregulated by Reagan, and today we have the results of deregulation.

We buy our healthcare from the company store, and the company store is making record profits.

After spending a substantial amount of my working years working with, for, and around doctors and hospitals and being in positions to evaluate what was happening with both policy and medical costs, I will respectively disagree. Every point of course is not a negative but taking the entire issue as a whole, federal involvement has been far more negative than positive.

If by federal involvement means deregulating the HMO act, I agree.

Federal involvement also created the HMO act and infused our tax dollars into the process. There were benefits and also a lot of problems with it. One of the main problems was that once people learned to benefit from all that federal money, 34% of the money was going to administration, executive salaries, sales commissions et al and only 68% of the money was going to healthcare that was greatly escalated in costs that were already escalated with the implementation of Medicare and Medicaid in the 1960's. There are always greedy people eager to latch on to 'free' government money and there is no way the central government can efficiently and effectively and economically administer most social programs in a country as widespread and diverse as ours is.

The HMO Act required HMO's to be non-profit thus creating competition to keep prices down.

 

[OnePercenter]

Please present opposing facts. Good luck.

Researchers evaluated 18 malignancies that represented 75% of cancer diagnoses: cancers of the esophagus, stomach, colon, rectum, liver, pancreas, lung, female breast, cervix, ovary and prostate; adult melanoma; brain tumors; leukemia; and lymphoma in children and adults.

Survival trends generally increased across countries, even for lethal cancers. Researchers observed increases up to 5 percentage points for liver, pancreatic and lung cancers.

For women diagnosed with breast cancer between 2010 and 2014, 5-year survival rates reached 89.5% in Australia and 90.2% in the United States, but generally varied worldwide and remained low in some countries, such as at 66.1% in India.

US cancer survival rates remain among highest in world

"Five-year survival for the most common 18 cancers remained highest globally for the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, followed by Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden, according to data through 2014 from CONCORD-3."

Now pick out the most affordable countries for healthcare.

That's not what we were talking about. We were discussing the quality of our care compared to others.

The number one reason for bankruptcy for workers in the US is medical bills. How is that not quality of care?

No, that is false. People who went into bankruptcy had other issues that drove them there; medical costs was only one of them.

This Is the No. 1 Reason Americans File for Bankruptcy -- The Motley Fool

it's a matter of medical debt.

I have 141M links to prove my point.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Researchers evaluated 18 malignancies that represented 75% of cancer diagnoses: cancers of the esophagus, stomach, colon, rectum, liver, pancreas, lung, female breast, cervix, ovary and prostate; adult melanoma; brain tumors; leukemia; and lymphoma in children and adults.

Survival trends generally increased across countries, even for lethal cancers. Researchers observed increases up to 5 percentage points for liver, pancreatic and lung cancers.

For women diagnosed with breast cancer between 2010 and 2014, 5-year survival rates reached 89.5% in Australia and 90.2% in the United States, but generally varied worldwide and remained low in some countries, such as at 66.1% in India.

US cancer survival rates remain among highest in world

"Five-year survival for the most common 18 cancers remained highest globally for the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, followed by Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden, according to data through 2014 from CONCORD-3."

Now pick out the most affordable countries for healthcare.

That's not what we were talking about. We were discussing the quality of our care compared to others.

The number one reason for bankruptcy for workers in the US is medical bills. How is that not quality of care?

No, that is false. People who went into bankruptcy had other issues that drove them there; medical costs was only one of them.

This Is the No. 1 Reason Americans File for Bankruptcy -- The Motley Fool

it's a matter of medical debt.

I have 141M links to prove my point.

The answer they came up with will surprise even critics of Warren et al.: The fraction of bankruptcies caused by medical events is just 4 percent. And even among those bankruptcies, it seems that medical bills may be less of a problem than the other things associated with an illness, such as lost labor income.

In other words: Medical bankruptcy probably wasn’t nearly as big a problem as people thought when we were passing our giant new health-care program. And to the extent that it was a problem, Obamacare probably didn’t do much to fix it.

Opinion | The truth about medical bankruptcies

 

[OnePercenter]

Well played. You've deleted all of your MikeTX posts from the thread.

Bull. This service only allows you to edit and delete for a few hours after you post. After that the option is no longer there.

Then how did you do it?

I didn't do anything. I'd look for it myself but I have no idea WTF you're talking about. Why don't you ask USMB what happened to it? I don't use a sock because I have no need for one.

"sock"/"socks" - Yeap boys, we have a real live "hacker" in out midst. You work for the Russians or Koch?

How did you ever get so far out there? I've been on this service for over three years. You're the only one that ever made that accusation. Bet you think you're slick or something.

Quit answering posts when you're logged-in wrong and quit throwing out hacker terms. That way you'll not have to cry like Kavanaugh and Swaggart.

 

[OnePercenter]

"Five-year survival for the most common 18 cancers remained highest globally for the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, followed by Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden, according to data through 2014 from CONCORD-3."

Now pick out the most affordable countries for healthcare.

That's not what we were talking about. We were discussing the quality of our care compared to others.

The number one reason for bankruptcy for workers in the US is medical bills. How is that not quality of care?

No, that is false. People who went into bankruptcy had other issues that drove them there; medical costs was only one of them.

This Is the No. 1 Reason Americans File for Bankruptcy -- The Motley Fool

it's a matter of medical debt.

I have 141M links to prove my point.

The answer they came up with will surprise even critics of Warren et al.: The fraction of bankruptcies caused by medical events is just 4 percent. And even among those bankruptcies, it seems that medical bills may be less of a problem than the other things associated with an illness, such as lost labor income.

In other words: Medical bankruptcy probably wasn’t nearly as big a problem as people thought when we were passing our giant new health-care program. And to the extent that it was a problem, Obamacare probably didn’t do much to fix it.

Opinion | The truth about medical bankruptcies

I post fact, you post opinion.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Bull. This service only allows you to edit and delete for a few hours after you post. After that the option is no longer there.

Then how did you do it?

I didn't do anything. I'd look for it myself but I have no idea WTF you're talking about. Why don't you ask USMB what happened to it? I don't use a sock because I have no need for one.

"sock"/"socks" - Yeap boys, we have a real live "hacker" in out midst. You work for the Russians or Koch?

How did you ever get so far out there? I've been on this service for over three years. You're the only one that ever made that accusation. Bet you think you're slick or something.

Quit answering posts when you're logged-in wrong and quit throwing out hacker terms. That way you'll not have to cry like Kavanaugh and Swaggart.

MikeTX often posts late well into the morning; something I could never do except for weekends because I wake up at 5:30am every weekday morning. I took notice of that when I came here in the morning. So you tell me, unless I am able to stay up 24/7, HTF am I posting at 6:20 am when my last post of the night was 3:30 am under the name MikeTX, just three hours before?

And why don't you address MikeTX with the same accusation? That way you can make a fool out of yourself in front of two people instead of one? If you look at the topics I participate in, I very often make a few posts before I go to work, and perhaps during the day on my iPad depending on what I'm doing on that particular day.

Sorry, but you've been proven wrong once again.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That's not what we were talking about. We were discussing the quality of our care compared to others.

The number one reason for bankruptcy for workers in the US is medical bills. How is that not quality of care?

No, that is false. People who went into bankruptcy had other issues that drove them there; medical costs was only one of them.

This Is the No. 1 Reason Americans File for Bankruptcy -- The Motley Fool

it's a matter of medical debt.

I have 141M links to prove my point.

The answer they came up with will surprise even critics of Warren et al.: The fraction of bankruptcies caused by medical events is just 4 percent. And even among those bankruptcies, it seems that medical bills may be less of a problem than the other things associated with an illness, such as lost labor income.

In other words: Medical bankruptcy probably wasn’t nearly as big a problem as people thought when we were passing our giant new health-care program. And to the extent that it was a problem, Obamacare probably didn’t do much to fix it.

Opinion | The truth about medical bankruptcies

I post fact, you post opinion.

What I post is fact because if you bothered to read the link (which you didn't even look at) they did a study on the subject. So it's Motley Fool vs The Washington Post. Gee, which one do you suppose is more reliable?

 

[Cellblock2429]

Researchers evaluated 18 malignancies that represented 75% of cancer diagnoses: cancers of the esophagus, stomach, colon, rectum, liver, pancreas, lung, female breast, cervix, ovary and prostate; adult melanoma; brain tumors; leukemia; and lymphoma in children and adults.

Survival trends generally increased across countries, even for lethal cancers. Researchers observed increases up to 5 percentage points for liver, pancreatic and lung cancers.

For women diagnosed with breast cancer between 2010 and 2014, 5-year survival rates reached 89.5% in Australia and 90.2% in the United States, but generally varied worldwide and remained low in some countries, such as at 66.1% in India.

US cancer survival rates remain among highest in world

"Five-year survival for the most common 18 cancers remained highest globally for the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, followed by Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden, according to data through 2014 from CONCORD-3."

Now pick out the most affordable countries for healthcare.

That's not what we were talking about. We were discussing the quality of our care compared to others.

The number one reason for bankruptcy for workers in the US is medical bills. How is that not quality of care?

/——/,People used to be able to buy catastrophic insurance to protect them from major illness but Obozo said No way Jose and killed those policies

Why would you buy a high deductible policy when you can't afford the deductible?

/——-/ No moron, it would cover you for catastrophic illness like a heart attack or cancer. The routine stuff you paid out of pocket.

 

[OnePercenter]

Then how did you do it?

I didn't do anything. I'd look for it myself but I have no idea WTF you're talking about. Why don't you ask USMB what happened to it? I don't use a sock because I have no need for one.

"sock"/"socks" - Yeap boys, we have a real live "hacker" in out midst. You work for the Russians or Koch?

How did you ever get so far out there? I've been on this service for over three years. You're the only one that ever made that accusation. Bet you think you're slick or something.

Quit answering posts when you're logged-in wrong and quit throwing out hacker terms. That way you'll not have to cry like Kavanaugh and Swaggart.

MikeTX often posts late well into the morning; something I could never do except for weekends because I wake up at 5:30am every weekday morning. I took notice of that when I came here in the morning. So you tell me, unless I am able to stay up 24/7, HTF am I posting at 6:20 am when my last post of the night was 3:30 am under the name MikeTX, just three hours before?

And why don't you address MikeTX with the same accusation? That way you can make a fool out of yourself in front of two people instead of one? If you look at the topics I participate in, I very often make a few posts before I go to work, and perhaps during the day on my iPad depending on what I'm doing on that particular day.

Sorry, but you've been proven wrong once again.

You certainly know much about the habits of MikeTX. The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

 

[OnePercenter]

"Five-year survival for the most common 18 cancers remained highest globally for the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, followed by Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden, according to data through 2014 from CONCORD-3."

Now pick out the most affordable countries for healthcare.

That's not what we were talking about. We were discussing the quality of our care compared to others.

The number one reason for bankruptcy for workers in the US is medical bills. How is that not quality of care?

/——/,People used to be able to buy catastrophic insurance to protect them from major illness but Obozo said No way Jose and killed those policies

Why would you buy a high deductible policy when you can't afford the deductible?

/——-/ No moron, it would cover you for catastrophic illness like a heart attack or cancer. The routine stuff you paid out of pocket.

Why shouldn't your healthcare insurance company cover that? Because they don't want too. Because they are set to make the largest profit in history this year? Because they own or derive profit from 95%+ of providers in this country? Buying from the company store is NEVER a good idea, but because of actions of Republicans that's what we're stuck with.

 

[OnePercenter]

The number one reason for bankruptcy for workers in the US is medical bills. How is that not quality of care?

No, that is false. People who went into bankruptcy had other issues that drove them there; medical costs was only one of them.

This Is the No. 1 Reason Americans File for Bankruptcy -- The Motley Fool

it's a matter of medical debt.

I have 141M links to prove my point.

The answer they came up with will surprise even critics of Warren et al.: The fraction of bankruptcies caused by medical events is just 4 percent. And even among those bankruptcies, it seems that medical bills may be less of a problem than the other things associated with an illness, such as lost labor income.

In other words: Medical bankruptcy probably wasn’t nearly as big a problem as people thought when we were passing our giant new health-care program. And to the extent that it was a problem, Obamacare probably didn’t do much to fix it.

Opinion | The truth about medical bankruptcies

I post fact, you post opinion.

What I post is fact because if you bothered to read the link (which you didn't even look at) they did a study on the subject. So it's Motley Fool vs The Washington Post. Gee, which one do you suppose is more reliable?

It's my fact vs. and your opinion piece.

 

[Cellblock2429]

That's not what we were talking about. We were discussing the quality of our care compared to others.

The number one reason for bankruptcy for workers in the US is medical bills. How is that not quality of care?

/——/,People used to be able to buy catastrophic insurance to protect them from major illness but Obozo said No way Jose and killed those policies

Why would you buy a high deductible policy when you can't afford the deductible?

/——-/ No moron, it would cover you for catastrophic illness like a heart attack or cancer. The routine stuff you paid out of pocket.

Why shouldn't your healthcare insurance company cover that? Because they don't want too. Because they are set to make the largest profit in history this year? Because they own or derive profit from 95%+ of providers in this country? Buying from the company store is NEVER a good idea, but because of actions of Republicans that's what we're stuck with.

/——/ It was cheaper. Geeeze you are clueless about the insurance business — it’s for people who only wanted coverage for major illness. But no worries Obozo killed it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The number one reason for bankruptcy for workers in the US is medical bills. How is that not quality of care?

/——/,People used to be able to buy catastrophic insurance to protect them from major illness but Obozo said No way Jose and killed those policies

Why would you buy a high deductible policy when you can't afford the deductible?

/——-/ No moron, it would cover you for catastrophic illness like a heart attack or cancer. The routine stuff you paid out of pocket.

Why shouldn't your healthcare insurance company cover that? Because they don't want too. Because they are set to make the largest profit in history this year? Because they own or derive profit from 95%+ of providers in this country? Buying from the company store is NEVER a good idea, but because of actions of Republicans that's what we're stuck with.

/——/ It was cheaper. Geeeze you are clueless about the insurance business — it’s for people who only wanted coverage for major illness. But no worries Obozo killed it.

Commie Care does have catastrophic coverage, it's just their coverage is unaffordable.

After my employer dropped our coverage because of Commie Care, I signed up. What they offered me was a plan for $700.00. It had a 7K deductible and a 7K out of pocket. No prescription coverage, no dental. It had a $50.00 copay.

Even private catastrophic plans were better than that and as you stated, much cheaper. When would I ever use a plan with a 7K out of pocket unless I decide to walk in front of a moving bus?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I didn't do anything. I'd look for it myself but I have no idea WTF you're talking about. Why don't you ask USMB what happened to it? I don't use a sock because I have no need for one.

"sock"/"socks" - Yeap boys, we have a real live "hacker" in out midst. You work for the Russians or Koch?

How did you ever get so far out there? I've been on this service for over three years. You're the only one that ever made that accusation. Bet you think you're slick or something.

Quit answering posts when you're logged-in wrong and quit throwing out hacker terms. That way you'll not have to cry like Kavanaugh and Swaggart.

MikeTX often posts late well into the morning; something I could never do except for weekends because I wake up at 5:30am every weekday morning. I took notice of that when I came here in the morning. So you tell me, unless I am able to stay up 24/7, HTF am I posting at 6:20 am when my last post of the night was 3:30 am under the name MikeTX, just three hours before?

And why don't you address MikeTX with the same accusation? That way you can make a fool out of yourself in front of two people instead of one? If you look at the topics I participate in, I very often make a few posts before I go to work, and perhaps during the day on my iPad depending on what I'm doing on that particular day.

Sorry, but you've been proven wrong once again.

You certainly know much about the habits of MikeTX. The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

I have talked with Mike on several occasions, but if you look at the avatar of a post, you'll see it has a timestamp of when the comment was posted. It's not rocket science.

Because of that, it's impossible for us to be the same person.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That's not what we were talking about. We were discussing the quality of our care compared to others.

The number one reason for bankruptcy for workers in the US is medical bills. How is that not quality of care?

No, that is false. People who went into bankruptcy had other issues that drove them there; medical costs was only one of them.

This Is the No. 1 Reason Americans File for Bankruptcy -- The Motley Fool

it's a matter of medical debt.

I have 141M links to prove my point.

The answer they came up with will surprise even critics of Warren et al.: The fraction of bankruptcies caused by medical events is just 4 percent. And even among those bankruptcies, it seems that medical bills may be less of a problem than the other things associated with an illness, such as lost labor income.

In other words: Medical bankruptcy probably wasn’t nearly as big a problem as people thought when we were passing our giant new health-care program. And to the extent that it was a problem, Obamacare probably didn’t do much to fix it.

Opinion | The truth about medical bankruptcies

I post fact, you post opinion.

You don't know what I post because you never even looked at it. I'm sure your such a busy person, so I'll highlight other parts of the article for you:

And last week, the New England Journal of Medicine published a new estimate done by a team of health and labor economists.

So Carlos Dobkin, Amy Finkelstein, Raymond Kluender and Matthew J. Notowidigdo did what’s called an “event study.” Instead of looking at bankruptcies to see how many involved medical bills, they started with the illness, and asked how much more likely people were to declare bankruptcy after they got sick. That’s a much better way to tease out causation than asking whether someone who just went through a financially ruinous divorce also owed his or her dermatologist thousands of dollars.

You are correct on one thing: it is fact vs opinion, except I'm the one with the facts.

 

[OnePercenter]

The number one reason for bankruptcy for workers in the US is medical bills. How is that not quality of care?

/——/,People used to be able to buy catastrophic insurance to protect them from major illness but Obozo said No way Jose and killed those policies

Why would you buy a high deductible policy when you can't afford the deductible?

/——-/ No moron, it would cover you for catastrophic illness like a heart attack or cancer. The routine stuff you paid out of pocket.

Why shouldn't your healthcare insurance company cover that? Because they don't want too. Because they are set to make the largest profit in history this year? Because they own or derive profit from 95%+ of providers in this country? Buying from the company store is NEVER a good idea, but because of actions of Republicans that's what we're stuck with.

/——/ It was cheaper. Geeeze you are clueless about the insurance business — it’s for people who only wanted coverage for major illness. But no worries Obozo killed it.

Any insurance with a high deductible has a lower premium.