If Ryan's plan for seniors is so great, why doesn't it apply to seniors?

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    I read that Paul Ryan's austerity measures in his plan dont apply to anyone over 55 regarding benefits for seniors.

    If they are saying their plan is so great for seniors, why doesn't it apply to our seniors?
     
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    How can you do a complete 180 and expect to be taken seriously?

    I just can't stop laughing at how gullible you are. Sorry
     
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    One of the key elements of the program to make it work is to raise the eligibility age. Ryan's plan slowly raises the eligibility age to 67 by 2034. So this obviously cannot be implemented on people who retire sooner than that.

    Myself, I would raise the Social Security and Medicare eligiblity ages to at least 70. And much more quickly.

    We are living longer than our ancestors, we should be working longer.

    The average life expectancy when Social Security was enacted was 60, and only 6 percent of our population was over 65. Today, life expectancy is 78 and 13 percent of our population is over 65.

    We have literally doubled our Social Security entitlement load.

    Life expectancy when Medicare was enacted was 70. Now it is 78. So that entitlement load is now commensurately larger as well.


    It is patently insane to insist we maintain the same retirement age as we live far longer than when our ancestors did when they enacted these programs.

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    Idiot, if we don't reform it now, our seniors will
    continue to get crappier care and eventually Medicare will break.

    Ask Obama how cutting 700 billion from Medicare is going to
    give seniors better health care. It isn't. Thats the reality, Medicare is dying.

    We can't afford it.

    The reason it won't effect people over 55 is because they have already planned their retirement around the present government promised system.
     
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    I didn't do a 180. I took a side-step. My previous beliefs are still 90% intact. I do, however, observe with sadness how TP sponsored mayors and governors in the South are treating their cops and firemen with the same disdain they spew towards all "gubermint workers". And it lost my vote.

    In an analogy, I offer a fat person losing weight. Sure, they need to cut some fat. But at a point it becomes unhealthy, even dangerous. The TP'ers down here, at least, have gotten to the unhealthy point....heading towards dangerous.
     
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    So the message would be....if you're under 55, expect a shitty retirement compared to what a 70 year old has right now?

    Or....."Romney 2012; The Future is Bleak".

    Just be honest. Thats all I'd ask.
     
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    I do agree with raising the age though. 70 would be good.
     
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    Right, hope they die before they collect

    Raise the age and fuck em..

    What a great plan..........
     
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    For starters it's inherently unfair to cut benefits to people who have already retired or will be shortly, expecting to receive a certain level of benefits. For those Americans that are younger...the writing is already on the wall. There is not enough money in the system to pay for the entitlements that we have promised. Either the system becomes insolvent or we make cuts to benefits and raise the age to qualify for benefits. Anyone who tells you things can continue on as they are is flat out lying to you.
     
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    So take it up with your local politicians. Pìssing in the water everyone drinks from is not the solution. I've always said that if you want change at the top you start with the bottom. Local budget complaints have nothing to do with presidential candidates either on the left or right.

    You are over reacting
     
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