if iran gets the bomb, they can never use it.

[blackhawk]

Your looking for rational thinking from a group that is not necessarily rational. One of the biggest mistakes we make is trying to apply western logic to those in the middle east especially the more radical elements.

 

[Sonny Clark]

in what direction could they send it whereby the end result wouldn't mean their own complete annihilation.

also, can someone explain to me why the rest of the world has the right to tell any country what to do.

what if canada or mexico or switzerland wants one.

Map of nuclear-armed states of the world.
NPT-designated nuclear weapon states (China, France,Russia, United Kingdom, United States)
Other states with nuclear weapons (India, Pakistan, North Korea)
Other states believed to have nuclear weapons (Israel)
NATO nuclear weapons sharing states (Belgium, Germany,Netherlands, Italy, Turkey)
States formerly possessing nuclear weapons (Belarus,Kazakhstan, Ukraine, South Africa)
There are eight sovereign states that have successfully detonatednuclear weapons.[1] Five are considered to be "nuclear-weapon states" (NWS) under the terms of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). In order of acquisition of nuclear weapons these are: the United States, Russia (successor state to the Soviet Union), the United Kingdom, France, and China.

it's a touchy subject, i don't want them to get it, & i'm very pro israel. but i haven't seen this discussion about the political nature (foreign and domestic) and subsequent consequences, especially with an election looming.

i don't like the essence or idea of a world government... is that where we're headed...??

maybe iran has a bomb now. it seems to me that knowing where their bomb is, is safer than not...

i was a little surprised to hear joe leiberman leading a charge against the new arms deal... will it get ratified ?

Can Congress stop the Iran deal - The Washington Post


Foreign Affairs Focus Gary Sick on Iran and the Bomb

i don't think the iran making a bomb is any more critical, than any country Buying a bomb....

maybe the concept of nuclear war is itself becoming obsolete, which harkens back to MAD (mutual assured destruction).

Anyone that has nuclear weapons can use them at anytime, period. Do you honestly believe that everyone in government, in every country, is sane, uses common sense, and exercises simple logic in all decisions and acts? Look, this world is full of crazies and loonies, and some are in high positions in governments around the world. Never ever bet the farm that some crazy wont hit the button. It would be stupid to think that countries with nuclear weapons would never use them.

 

[irosie91]

Your looking for rational thinking from a group that is not necessarily rational. One of the biggest mistakes we make is trying to apply western logic to those in the middle east especially the more radical elements.

so true------It IS true that lots of Iranians are really really bright-----but those weapons are in the control of the AYATOILETS----the same people who handle
Hezbollah----------they have minds like ADOLF--------for the past 10 years or more they have soaked Yemen in blood------a little appreciated situation. For a glimpse of that which controls Iran-----take a look at Yemen----find a nice friendly
candid Yemeni-------lots of Yemenis work in or own little newspaper/grocery stores
----at least in the tristate area. -------mention HOUTHIS. Most Yemenis are sunnis--------

 

[2aguy]

in what direction could they send it whereby the end result wouldn't mean their own complete annihilation.

also, can someone explain to me why the rest of the world has the right to tell any country what to do.

what if canada or mexico or switzerland wants one.

Map of nuclear-armed states of the world.
NPT-designated nuclear weapon states (China, France,Russia, United Kingdom, United States)
Other states with nuclear weapons (India, Pakistan, North Korea)
Other states believed to have nuclear weapons (Israel)
NATO nuclear weapons sharing states (Belgium, Germany,Netherlands, Italy, Turkey)
States formerly possessing nuclear weapons (Belarus,Kazakhstan, Ukraine, South Africa)
There are eight sovereign states that have successfully detonatednuclear weapons.[1] Five are considered to be "nuclear-weapon states" (NWS) under the terms of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). In order of acquisition of nuclear weapons these are: the United States, Russia (successor state to the Soviet Union), the United Kingdom, France, and China.

it's a touchy subject, i don't want them to get it, & i'm very pro israel. but i haven't seen this discussion about the political nature (foreign and domestic) and subsequent consequences, especially with an election looming.

i don't like the essence or idea of a world government... is that where we're headed...??

maybe iran has a bomb now. it seems to me that knowing where their bomb is, is safer than not...

i was a little surprised to hear joe leiberman leading a charge against the new arms deal... will it get ratified ?

Can Congress stop the Iran deal - The Washington Post


Foreign Affairs Focus Gary Sick on Iran and the Bomb

i don't think the iran making a bomb is any more critical, than any country Buying a bomb....

maybe the concept of nuclear war is itself becoming obsolete, which harkens back to MAD (mutual assured destruction).

You don't understand.....they don't care..........they believe in islam taking over the world and by bringing about a world level event like a nuclear war they will bring back the 12 imam, and bring in the golden age of Islam.......

And I guess you believe it is wrong to tell someone they can't rob a bank? Right......? Since Iran is the worst exporter of terrorism around the world and has made it clear their goal is to murder all the Jews in Israel...of course no one has the moral authority to stop them.....

You leftists are batshit stupid.....

 

[washamericom]

in what direction could they send it whereby the end result wouldn't mean their own complete annihilation.

also, can someone explain to me why the rest of the world has the right to tell any country what to do.

what if canada or mexico or switzerland wants one.

Map of nuclear-armed states of the world.
NPT-designated nuclear weapon states (China, France,Russia, United Kingdom, United States)
Other states with nuclear weapons (India, Pakistan, North Korea)
Other states believed to have nuclear weapons (Israel)
NATO nuclear weapons sharing states (Belgium, Germany,Netherlands, Italy, Turkey)
States formerly possessing nuclear weapons (Belarus,Kazakhstan, Ukraine, South Africa)
There are eight sovereign states that have successfully detonatednuclear weapons.[1] Five are considered to be "nuclear-weapon states" (NWS) under the terms of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). In order of acquisition of nuclear weapons these are: the United States, Russia (successor state to the Soviet Union), the United Kingdom, France, and China.

it's a touchy subject, i don't want them to get it, & i'm very pro israel. but i haven't seen this discussion about the political nature (foreign and domestic) and subsequent consequences, especially with an election looming.

i don't like the essence or idea of a world government... is that where we're headed...??

maybe iran has a bomb now. it seems to me that knowing where their bomb is, is safer than not...

i was a little surprised to hear joe leiberman leading a charge against the new arms deal... will it get ratified ?

Can Congress stop the Iran deal - The Washington Post


Foreign Affairs Focus Gary Sick on Iran and the Bomb

i don't think the iran making a bomb is any more critical, than any country Buying a bomb....

maybe the concept of nuclear war is itself becoming obsolete, which harkens back to MAD (mutual assured destruction).

Its not about what the country of Iran would do, Its about what someone who could buy a nuke from them might do, or what some radical group like ISIS might do if it took over Iran.

well, the are state sponsors of terrorists, they are in bed with unstable countries... and most of their population is really nice. they don't want to die.

 

[washamericom]

That's interesting. You seem to know a lot. Are there also some Christians who wouldn't mind bringing about the apocalypse?

The difference is, Christians believe that God will bring about the apocalypse in the days of the return of Jesus. Muslims believe they are commanded to bring about the apocalypse as a human act to bring about the return of the 12th imam.

I don't have enough fingers and toes to count on how many levels the above post is hilarious.

He accurately quoted the philosophy and teachings of both religions. Why do you find that hilarious?

Oh, PS,

because he left out the Mayans.

The Mayans believed in a supreme being.

so do Christians, right this minute.

 

[2aguy]

There are those among the Islamists who believe that jumping into an Apocalypse will force Allah's hand in their favor.

That's interesting. You seem to know a lot. Are there also some Christians who wouldn't mind bringing about the apocalypse?

Still a racist....putting up the photo of A Cuban American senator in clown face......your klan buddies must be proud...

 

[washamericom]

There are those among the Islamists who believe that jumping into an Apocalypse will force Allah's hand in their favor.

What is Pakistan waiting for then?

and india, to me that's been the most likely situation, for a breakout war...

 

[2aguy]

There are those among the Islamists who believe that jumping into an Apocalypse will force Allah's hand in their favor.

good point, i feel for the iranian population. the thing that amazes me, is that they are tech connected.
but ideologically (theologically) they still live i the stone age.. a living paradox. i wish we had supported them in 08. that would have ensured an arab spring, perhaps not a looming nuclear winter.

Remember, Japan was still in it's feudal period when it was opened up to the west...they armed themselves with modern weapons and went rampaging around Asia, with values and culture based in the middle ages......they were monsters...now there are people who want to give nuclear weapons to Iran...another country whose leadership is still in the middle ages.....

 

[washamericom]

Your looking for rational thinking from a group that is not necessarily rational. One of the biggest mistakes we make is trying to apply western logic to those in the middle east especially the more radical elements.

i agree, but this world is getting much smaller. we will realise that when all passenger jets stream live date, worldwide. we have the technology now. it's an example of old v new. that's why i think it's odd that iran hasn't evolved as they break away from a theocracy/dictatorship.

 

[Redfish]

in what direction could they send it whereby the end result wouldn't mean their own complete annihilation.

also, can someone explain to me why the rest of the world has the right to tell any country what to do.

what if canada or mexico or switzerland wants one.

Map of nuclear-armed states of the world.
NPT-designated nuclear weapon states (China, France,Russia, United Kingdom, United States)
Other states with nuclear weapons (India, Pakistan, North Korea)
Other states believed to have nuclear weapons (Israel)
NATO nuclear weapons sharing states (Belgium, Germany,Netherlands, Italy, Turkey)
States formerly possessing nuclear weapons (Belarus,Kazakhstan, Ukraine, South Africa)
There are eight sovereign states that have successfully detonatednuclear weapons.[1] Five are considered to be "nuclear-weapon states" (NWS) under the terms of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). In order of acquisition of nuclear weapons these are: the United States, Russia (successor state to the Soviet Union), the United Kingdom, France, and China.

it's a touchy subject, i don't want them to get it, & i'm very pro israel. but i haven't seen this discussion about the political nature (foreign and domestic) and subsequent consequences, especially with an election looming.

i don't like the essence or idea of a world government... is that where we're headed...??

maybe iran has a bomb now. it seems to me that knowing where their bomb is, is safer than not...

i was a little surprised to hear joe leiberman leading a charge against the new arms deal... will it get ratified ?

Can Congress stop the Iran deal - The Washington Post


Foreign Affairs Focus Gary Sick on Iran and the Bomb

i don't think the iran making a bomb is any more critical, than any country Buying a bomb....

maybe the concept of nuclear war is itself becoming obsolete, which harkens back to MAD (mutual assured destruction).

Its not about what the country of Iran would do, Its about what someone who could buy a nuke from them might do, or what some radical group like ISIS might do if it took over Iran.

well, the are state sponsors of terrorists, they are in bed with unstable countries... and most of their population is really nice. they don't want to die.

what the general population wants does not matter. the leaders are radicals. Obama and Kerry are too stupid to realize who they are dealing with.

 

[browsing deer]

They "know" Israel has the bomb, has since the 1960's, probably has hydrogen bombs, has delivery systems far better than their own. They insist on anuhilating Israel.

During the cold war we had the doctrine of Mutual Assured Destruction. This meant neither side would cut loose because they would suffer similar fates. It kept both sides honest.

But Israel can't have that with Iran. The Iranians see the destruction Israel could do to them as something wonderful. There can be no protection by Irans assured destruction.

Israel won't tell if they have the bomb. Seeing as the number on Jews in the manhatten project, and the sheer number of scientits in Israel I am pretty sure they do. And the amount of destruction they can let loose can make Hiroshima look like a wet firecracker. Giving the bomb to Iran means the end of Iran.

 

[Redfish]

The difference is, Christians believe that God will bring about the apocalypse in the days of the return of Jesus. Muslims believe they are commanded to bring about the apocalypse as a human act to bring about the return of the 12th imam.

I don't have enough fingers and toes to count on how many levels the above post is hilarious.

He accurately quoted the philosophy and teachings of both religions. Why do you find that hilarious?

Oh, PS,

because he left out the Mayans.

The Mayans believed in a supreme being.

so do Christians, right this minute.

Yes

 

[washamericom]

There are those among the Islamists who believe that jumping into an Apocalypse will force Allah's hand in their favor.

good point, i feel for the iranian population. the thing that amazes me, is that they are tech connected.
but ideologically (theologically) they still live i the stone age.. a living paradox. i wish we had supported them in 08. that would have ensured an arab spring, perhaps not a looming nuclear winter.

Remember, Japan was still in it's feudal period when it was opened up to the west...they armed themselves with modern weapons and went rampaging around Asia, with values and culture based in the middle ages......they were monsters...now there are people who want to give nuclear weapons to Iran...another country whose leadership is still in the middle ages.....

maybe we can use laser to eradicate the nukes as they get launched. i still believe the main threat is terrorism, not at the pure level of nation state, rogue or otherwise.

trump would be most like ronald reagan, defensively.

 

[Mac1958]

Anything can happen here, but what I don't believe is that Iran's leaders are going to initiate a nuclear strike that anyone can detect.

I've noticed that jihadist leaders are great at sending others to meet up with those 72 virgins, but they're not in all that big a hurry themselves.

.

Whoa........! Deep. The bold font is especially awesome. It really brings your point home as though you weren't stating the obvious. Well done.

once in a while you can peek from behind your facade here, you are among friends. mostly

My little stalker friend specializes in catty comments on the fringes.

Light on substance, heavy on snark.

.

 

[Redfish]

They "know" Israel has the bomb, has since the 1960's, probably has hydrogen bombs, has delivery systems far better than their own. They insist on anuhilating Israel.

During the cold war we had the doctrine of Mutual Assured Destruction. This meant neither side would cut loose because they would suffer similar fates. It kept both sides honest.

But Israel can't have that with Iran. The Iranians see the destruction Israel could do to them as something wonderful. There can be no protection by Irans assured destruction.

Israel won't tell if they have the bomb. Seeing as the number on Jews in the manhatten project, and the sheer number of scientits in Israel I am pretty sure they do. And the amount of destruction they can let loose can make Hiroshima look like a wet firecracker. Giving the bomb to Iran means the end of Iran.

Israel has nukes and Israel will defend its existence. If that results in the elimination of Iran, so be it.

 

[hipeter924]

There are those among the Islamists who believe that jumping into an Apocalypse will force Allah's hand in their favor.

good point, i feel for the iranian population. the thing that amazes me, is that they are tech connected.
but ideologically (theologically) they still live i the stone age.. a living paradox. i wish we had supported them in 08. that would have ensured an arab spring, perhaps not a looming nuclear winter.

The UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, and parts of Turkey, are like that, not just Iran. Where do you think ISIS, Al Qaeda, and radical Islamist groups get their funding and support from.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Anything can happen here, but what I don't believe is that Iran's leaders are going to initiate a nuclear strike that anyone can detect.

I've noticed that jihadist leaders are great at sending others to meet up with those 72 virgins, but they're not in all that big a hurry themselves.

.

Whoa........! Deep. The bold font is especially awesome. It really brings your point home as though you weren't stating the obvious. Well done.

once in a while you can peek from behind your facade here, you are among friends. mostly

My little stalker friend specializes in catty comments on the fringes.

Light on substance, heavy on snark.

.

What? No bold font? Are you sure you mean it?

 

[irosie91]

They "know" Israel has the bomb, has since the 1960's, probably has hydrogen bombs, has delivery systems far better than their own. They insist on anuhilating Israel.

During the cold war we had the doctrine of Mutual Assured Destruction. This meant neither side would cut loose because they would suffer similar fates. It kept both sides honest.

But Israel can't have that with Iran. The Iranians see the destruction Israel could do to them as something wonderful. There can be no protection by Irans assured destruction.

Israel won't tell if they have the bomb. Seeing as the number on Jews in the manhatten project, and the sheer number of scientits in Israel I am pretty sure they do. And the amount of destruction they can let loose can make Hiroshima look like a wet firecracker. Giving the bomb to Iran means the end of Iran.

Israel has nukes and Israel will defend its existence. If that results in the elimination of Iran, so be it.

Iran is too big to "eliminate" -------some Iranians have actually commented
that Iran can "afford" to absorb a bomb-------and ---of course---boasted "da jooos can't" HOWEVER-----it's all bluster. I believe that the problem that
THE BOMB creates is an increased sense of power in the minds of local yokels -----who get INSPIRED to commit acts of terrorism for the "CAUSE"

 

[NYcarbineer]

That's interesting. You seem to know a lot. Are there also some Christians who wouldn't mind bringing about the apocalypse?

The difference is, Christians believe that God will bring about the apocalypse in the days of the return of Jesus. Muslims believe they are commanded to bring about the apocalypse as a human act to bring about the return of the 12th imam.

I don't have enough fingers and toes to count on how many levels the above post is hilarious.

He accurately quoted the philosophy and teachings of both religions. Why do you find that hilarious?

Because it's all superstition for starters.

Well, thats your opinion, I and billions of other human beings disagree.

You think the Muslims are wrong but they're just as likely to be right as you are.