If God doesn't exist...

[BreezeWood]

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christian, this should be a good one for you, who is your alltime greatest christian leader of Western Civilization from the 4th century to present day ...

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christian, this should be a good one for you, who is your alltime greatest christian leader of Western Civilization from the 4th century to present day ...

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Can you share with me what you believe about God? Tell me if you believe God is good or bad? Tell me if you believe God works through you? Things like that.

 

[BreezeWood]

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christian, this should be a good one for you, who is your alltime greatest christian leader of Western Civilization from the 4th century to present day ...

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Can you share with me what you believe about God? Tell me if you believe God is good or bad? Tell me if you believe God works through you? Things like that.

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Can you share with me what you believe about God? Tell me if you believe God is good or bad? Tell me if you believe God works through you? Things like that.

ok then christian, tell us your alltime christian hero and why you admire them so .... Western Civilization.
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[Brynmr]

a rather pathetic statement ... how else could a christian characterize their religion.

with his trumpet blaring ...
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The mistake you're conveniently making for your own benefit is any terrible actions realized by Christians, you're attributing to the Christian religion and therefore judging the religion as a terrible religion. Their religion doesn't tell them to perform terrible actions.

In other words, you're full of crap.

 

[ding]

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christian, this should be a good one for you, who is your alltime greatest christian leader of Western Civilization from the 4th century to present day ...

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Can you share with me what you believe about God? Tell me if you believe God is good or bad? Tell me if you believe God works through you? Things like that.

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Can you share with me what you believe about God? Tell me if you believe God is good or bad? Tell me if you believe God works through you? Things like that.

ok then christian, tell us your alltime christian hero and why you admire them so .... Western Civilization.
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Is it that you don't believe in God? Is that why you can't tell me your beliefs?

 

[Brynmr]

bing, you are a joke both by religion and politics - secularism has arrived for the betterment of both religion and politics inspite of your kind.

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You must be one of those snowflakes who are so easily offended and feels threatened.

I'm not a Christian nor would I ever be a Christian but Christianity doesn't scare me nor does it threaten me.

 

[BreezeWood]

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christian, this should be a good one for you, who is your alltime greatest christian leader of Western Civilization from the 4th century to present day ...

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Can you share with me what you believe about God? Tell me if you believe God is good or bad? Tell me if you believe God works through you? Things like that.

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Can you share with me what you believe about God? Tell me if you believe God is good or bad? Tell me if you believe God works through you? Things like that.

ok then christian, tell us your alltime christian hero and why you admire them so .... Western Civilization.
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Is it that you don't believe in God? Is that why you can't tell me your beliefs?

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Is it that you don't believe in God? Is that why you can't tell me your beliefs?

I'm trying to be helpful yet not one christian leader stands out for me to chose from including before the 4th century, you know someone who at least did not salivate over persecuting inocent souls or fouht to free the meek, it's just a blank ... sorry.

The mistake you're conveniently making for your own benefit is any terrible actions realized by Christians, you're attributing to the Christian religion and therefore judging the religion as a terrible religion. Their religion doesn't tell them to perform terrible actions.

so give us your christian figure from the 4th century to the present you admire the most, and their accomplishment or that of a christian congregation. for maybe just South America from the time of Columbus to the present.

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[ding]

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christian, this should be a good one for you, who is your alltime greatest christian leader of Western Civilization from the 4th century to present day ...

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Can you share with me what you believe about God? Tell me if you believe God is good or bad? Tell me if you believe God works through you? Things like that.

.

Can you share with me what you believe about God? Tell me if you believe God is good or bad? Tell me if you believe God works through you? Things like that.

ok then christian, tell us your alltime christian hero and why you admire them so .... Western Civilization.
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Is it that you don't believe in God? Is that why you can't tell me your beliefs?

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Is it that you don't believe in God? Is that why you can't tell me your beliefs?

I'm trying to be helpful yet not one christian leader stands out for me to chose from including before the 4th century, you know someone who at least did not salivate over persecuting inocent souls or fouht to free the meek, it's just a blank ... sorry.

The mistake you're conveniently making for your own benefit is any terrible actions realized by Christians, you're attributing to the Christian religion and therefore judging the religion as a terrible religion. Their religion doesn't tell them to perform terrible actions.

so give us your christian figure from the 4th century to the present you admire the most, and their accomplishment or that of a christian congregation. for maybe just South America from the time of Columbus to the present.

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I'm going to have to go with you. Now will you tell me what your beliefs are on God?

 

[ding]

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christian, this should be a good one for you, who is your alltime greatest christian leader of Western Civilization from the 4th century to present day ...

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Can you share with me what you believe about God? Tell me if you believe God is good or bad? Tell me if you believe God works through you? Things like that.

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Can you share with me what you believe about God? Tell me if you believe God is good or bad? Tell me if you believe God works through you? Things like that.

ok then christian, tell us your alltime christian hero and why you admire them so .... Western Civilization.
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Is it that you don't believe in God? Is that why you can't tell me your beliefs?

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Is it that you don't believe in God? Is that why you can't tell me your beliefs?

I'm trying to be helpful yet not one christian leader stands out for me to chose from including before the 4th century, you know someone who at least did not salivate over persecuting inocent souls or fouht to free the meek, it's just a blank ... sorry.

The mistake you're conveniently making for your own benefit is any terrible actions realized by Christians, you're attributing to the Christian religion and therefore judging the religion as a terrible religion. Their religion doesn't tell them to perform terrible actions.

so give us your christian figure from the 4th century to the present you admire the most, and their accomplishment or that of a christian congregation. for maybe just South America from the time of Columbus to the present.

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No. I changed my mind. I pick Muhammad. Tell me about the bad things Muhammad did, ok? I pick Muhammad.

 

[ding]

 

[BreezeWood]

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christian, this should be a good one for you, who is your alltime greatest christian leader of Western Civilization from the 4th century to present day ...

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Can you share with me what you believe about God? Tell me if you believe God is good or bad? Tell me if you believe God works through you? Things like that.

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Can you share with me what you believe about God? Tell me if you believe God is good or bad? Tell me if you believe God works through you? Things like that.

ok then christian, tell us your alltime christian hero and why you admire them so .... Western Civilization.
.

Is it that you don't believe in God? Is that why you can't tell me your beliefs?

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Is it that you don't believe in God? Is that why you can't tell me your beliefs?

I'm trying to be helpful yet not one christian leader stands out for me to chose from including before the 4th century, you know someone who at least did not salivate over persecuting inocent souls or fouht to free the meek, it's just a blank ... sorry.

The mistake you're conveniently making for your own benefit is any terrible actions realized by Christians, you're attributing to the Christian religion and therefore judging the religion as a terrible religion. Their religion doesn't tell them to perform terrible actions.

so give us your christian figure from the 4th century to the present you admire the most, and their accomplishment or that of a christian congregation. for maybe just South America from the time of Columbus to the present.

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No. I changed my mind. I pick Muhammad. Tell me about the bad things Muhammad did, ok? I pick Muhammad.

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No. I changed my mind. I pick Muhammad. Tell me about the bad things Muhammad did, ok? I pick Muhammad.

really, Western Civilization, you really do know your history and obviously excelled in geography ...


actually I do not believe Mohammad was a christian but instead of South America maybe you can chose a christian leader that stood by the native Americans, you know those savages you care so much for.

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[ding]

Can you share with me what you believe about God? Tell me if you believe God is good or bad? Tell me if you believe God works through you? Things like that.

.

Can you share with me what you believe about God? Tell me if you believe God is good or bad? Tell me if you believe God works through you? Things like that.

ok then christian, tell us your alltime christian hero and why you admire them so .... Western Civilization.
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Is it that you don't believe in God? Is that why you can't tell me your beliefs?

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Is it that you don't believe in God? Is that why you can't tell me your beliefs?

I'm trying to be helpful yet not one christian leader stands out for me to chose from including before the 4th century, you know someone who at least did not salivate over persecuting inocent souls or fouht to free the meek, it's just a blank ... sorry.

The mistake you're conveniently making for your own benefit is any terrible actions realized by Christians, you're attributing to the Christian religion and therefore judging the religion as a terrible religion. Their religion doesn't tell them to perform terrible actions.

so give us your christian figure from the 4th century to the present you admire the most, and their accomplishment or that of a christian congregation. for maybe just South America from the time of Columbus to the present.

.

No. I changed my mind. I pick Muhammad. Tell me about the bad things Muhammad did, ok? I pick Muhammad.

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No. I changed my mind. I pick Muhammad. Tell me about the bad things Muhammad did, ok? I pick Muhammad.

really, Western Civilization, you really do know your history and obviously excelled in geography ...


actually I do not believe Mohammad was a christian but instead of South America maybe you can chose a christian leader that stood by the native Americans, you know those savages you care so much for.

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[Brynmr]

so give us your christian figure from the 4th century to the present you admire the most

Why would I do that? I'm not a Christian. Pick your own.

 

[RWS]

Let's talk about the "flaws"...

1. My analysis was made after studying many religions, and then science. And other alternatives to both.

2. What I analyzed was completely objective. Not subjective like your borne-in religion. I completely wiped the slate, and started thinking things through objectively.

I also promote the value of thankfulness, forgiveness, goodness and the rest of the things you mention. But religion did not create those values. They are created by natural selection. A species that wants to kill their own for no reason, is not going to last long. Natural selection will dictate that they care for each other, so we can continue to copulate and flourish. However.... this principle goes completely against what religion has done to us throughout history.

Your major flaw is that your theory is COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVE. You have absolutely no objectivity. You believe what you believe, because that is what you were taught, and you continue to promote it despite the evil that you admit it has caused.

Rule #1: Goodness does not require a religion or a God.

That is why I ask why you need a "God" and why it's so important to you that it exists?

You don't have a positive case for your beliefs. You don't even know what a positive case is.

Because there is no positive case for religion. What you deem as "positive cases" for religion, are actually just acts of goodness by people who care for other people. That has nothing to do with religion.

The fact that you have to attribute acts of goodness to religion, means that you yourself have such a negative view of humanity that you think the only thing that keeps us going and being "good" is your OBG.

Dogs do good things for other dogs. They don't go around yapping about Puppy Claws being the reason they do what they do and how other dogs should believe in it... They just do it because it is natural. Helps them maintain their species, their family, and themselves.

You, on the other hand, have this belief that without God or religion, we would all kill everyone because we don't have direction or a common goal or a sense of morality.

My argument, is that religion is the one killing everyone. Sane people like most of us here realize that, and shun religion for the evil that it is.

Religion has never caused any good. It has instead attributed to itself "good" things that humans normally do, as the reasons they do it. But that is false, and why you are brainwashed.

Religions would decimate a population and steal all their riches, and take the people that survive as slaves, and use that money and manpower to build holy monuments and cathedrals for their followers to visit, but that is actually NOT a "good" thing as you seem to believe! It is a very BAD thing...

So tell me something negative religion has done, if you're such an objective thinker...

I have already provided the positive case for religion. You are not objective enough to accept it. You have a vague rosy notion of goodness of life without religion. Yet history records nations which have been ruled by militant atheists like yourself quite differently.

No. You said you are objective...

So tell me negative things about religion. Otherwise, you're just spouting stuff that you were brainwashed with as a child. And still believe as an adult.

Actually, no it doesn't mean that. I'm not the one who is practicing critical theory. That's what you are doing. I don't define my beliefs by criticizing what I don't believe. Christianity is the foundation that Western Civilization was laid upon. By any objective measure Western Civilization has been a force for good, thus, Christianity has been a force for good. Do you believe that Western Civilization has not been a force for good? In the history of Western Civilization there have been many bad things that man has done, I don't need to itemize them to know that the overall benefit has been good. The logical conclusion of your argument is that religion should be banned.

Yet that is what you ask us to do.

Let's talk about the "flaws"...

1. My analysis was made after studying many religions, and then science. And other alternatives to both.

2. What I analyzed was completely objective. Not subjective like your borne-in religion. I completely wiped the slate, and started thinking things through objectively.

I also promote the value of thankfulness, forgiveness, goodness and the rest of the things you mention. But religion did not create those values. They are created by natural selection. A species that wants to kill their own for no reason, is not going to last long. Natural selection will dictate that they care for each other, so we can continue to copulate and flourish. However.... this principle goes completely against what religion has done to us throughout history.

Your major flaw is that your theory is COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVE. You have absolutely no objectivity. You believe what you believe, because that is what you were taught, and you continue to promote it despite the evil that you admit it has caused.

Rule #1: Goodness does not require a religion or a God.

That is why I ask why you need a "God" and why it's so important to you that it exists?

You don't have a positive case for your beliefs. You don't even know what a positive case is.

Because there is no positive case for religion. What you deem as "positive cases" for religion, are actually just acts of goodness by people who care for other people. That has nothing to do with religion.

The fact that you have to attribute acts of goodness to religion, means that you yourself have such a negative view of humanity that you think the only thing that keeps us going and being "good" is your OBG.

Dogs do good things for other dogs. They don't go around yapping about Puppy Claws being the reason they do what they do and how other dogs should believe in it... They just do it because it is natural. Helps them maintain their species, their family, and themselves.

You, on the other hand, have this belief that without God or religion, we would all kill everyone because we don't have direction or a common goal or a sense of morality.

My argument, is that religion is the one killing everyone. Sane people like most of us here realize that, and shun religion for the evil that it is.

Religion has never caused any good. It has instead attributed to itself "good" things that humans normally do, as the reasons they do it. But that is false, and why you are brainwashed.

Religions would decimate a population and steal all their riches, and take the people that survive as slaves, and use that money and manpower to build holy monuments and cathedrals for their followers to visit, but that is actually NOT a "good" thing as you seem to believe! It is a very BAD thing...

So tell me something negative religion has done, if you're such an objective thinker...

I have already provided the positive case for religion. You are not objective enough to accept it. You have a vague rosy notion of goodness of life without religion. Yet history records nations which have been ruled by militant atheists like yourself quite differently.

If you are referring to "socialist" countries, then the truth is that they are also a religion. They're a form of Calvinism and Puritanism, minus the "god" part.

And it's also a false religion because the purpose of Socialism is to lead the people to Communism. Which will never happen! It's their version of "heaven". An ideal that does not exist, but causes people to continue to give everything they have to benefit the rulers, in the futile hope that they can get there, and the fear of death if they don't.

So the so-called "atheist" countries that you mention in the 20th century, are actually devout religions.

And like every other religion, they will kill everyone who stands in their way...

Yes, atheism is a religion. No, not all religions kill everything in their way.

Yes, atheism taken to an extreme is a religion. But I don't sense that here, otherwise I'd be on their ass just as bad... We are agnostics who question why people are killing each other, due to religion. And why their "god" doesn't step up to the plate and stop it.

 

[RWS]

Let's talk about the "flaws"...

1. My analysis was made after studying many religions, and then science. And other alternatives to both.

2. What I analyzed was completely objective. Not subjective like your borne-in religion. I completely wiped the slate, and started thinking things through objectively.

I also promote the value of thankfulness, forgiveness, goodness and the rest of the things you mention. But religion did not create those values. They are created by natural selection. A species that wants to kill their own for no reason, is not going to last long. Natural selection will dictate that they care for each other, so we can continue to copulate and flourish. However.... this principle goes completely against what religion has done to us throughout history.

Your major flaw is that your theory is COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVE. You have absolutely no objectivity. You believe what you believe, because that is what you were taught, and you continue to promote it despite the evil that you admit it has caused.

Rule #1: Goodness does not require a religion or a God.

That is why I ask why you need a "God" and why it's so important to you that it exists?

You don't have a positive case for your beliefs. You don't even know what a positive case is.

Because there is no positive case for religion. What you deem as "positive cases" for religion, are actually just acts of goodness by people who care for other people. That has nothing to do with religion.

The fact that you have to attribute acts of goodness to religion, means that you yourself have such a negative view of humanity that you think the only thing that keeps us going and being "good" is your OBG.

Dogs do good things for other dogs. They don't go around yapping about Puppy Claws being the reason they do what they do and how other dogs should believe in it... They just do it because it is natural. Helps them maintain their species, their family, and themselves.

You, on the other hand, have this belief that without God or religion, we would all kill everyone because we don't have direction or a common goal or a sense of morality.

My argument, is that religion is the one killing everyone. Sane people like most of us here realize that, and shun religion for the evil that it is.

Religion has never caused any good. It has instead attributed to itself "good" things that humans normally do, as the reasons they do it. But that is false, and why you are brainwashed.

Religions would decimate a population and steal all their riches, and take the people that survive as slaves, and use that money and manpower to build holy monuments and cathedrals for their followers to visit, but that is actually NOT a "good" thing as you seem to believe! It is a very BAD thing...

So tell me something negative religion has done, if you're such an objective thinker...

I have already provided the positive case for religion. You are not objective enough to accept it. You have a vague rosy notion of goodness of life without religion. Yet history records nations which have been ruled by militant atheists like yourself quite differently.

No. You said you are objective...

So tell me negative things about religion. Otherwise, you're just spouting stuff that you were brainwashed with as a child. And still believe as an adult.

Actually, no it doesn't mean that. I'm not the one who is practicing critical theory. That's what you are doing. I don't define my beliefs by criticizing what I don't believe. Christianity is the foundation that Western Civilization was laid upon. By any objective measure Western Civilization has been a force for good, thus, Christianity has been a force for good. Do you believe that Western Civilization has not been a force for good? In the history of Western Civilization there have been many bad things that man has done, I don't need to itemize them to know that the overall benefit has been good. The logical conclusion of your argument is that religion should be banned.

You said you are being objective. Therefore you must practice critical theory.

You make claims such as "Christianity is the foundation that Western Civilization was laid upon. By any objective measure Western Civilization has been a force for good, thus, Christianity has been a force for good."

You have terrible logic.... You can apply the same argument to slavery. Substitute the word "slavery" for "Christianity" in the above sentences, and you'll see what I mean.

Based on your logic, slavery should also be a force for good. Which is understandable, based on the amount of slaves Christianity has created.

Anyway, you asked us to practice critical theory, and yet you refuse to play the same game when I ask you the same question. And you're criticizing us for not being objective?

 

[RWS]

Because there is no positive case for religion. What you deem as "positive cases" for religion, are actually just acts of goodness by people who care for other people. That has nothing to do with religion.

The fact that you have to attribute acts of goodness to religion, means that you yourself have such a negative view of humanity that you think the only thing that keeps us going and being "good" is your OBG.

Dogs do good things for other dogs. They don't go around yapping about Puppy Claws being the reason they do what they do and how other dogs should believe in it... They just do it because it is natural. Helps them maintain their species, their family, and themselves.

You, on the other hand, have this belief that without God or religion, we would all kill everyone because we don't have direction or a common goal or a sense of morality.

My argument, is that religion is the one killing everyone. Sane people like most of us here realize that, and shun religion for the evil that it is.

Religion has never caused any good. It has instead attributed to itself "good" things that humans normally do, as the reasons they do it. But that is false, and why you are brainwashed.

Religions would decimate a population and steal all their riches, and take the people that survive as slaves, and use that money and manpower to build holy monuments and cathedrals for their followers to visit, but that is actually NOT a "good" thing as you seem to believe! It is a very BAD thing...

So tell me something negative religion has done, if you're such an objective thinker...

I have already provided the positive case for religion. You are not objective enough to accept it. You have a vague rosy notion of goodness of life without religion. Yet history records nations which have been ruled by militant atheists like yourself quite differently.

No. You said you are objective...

So tell me negative things about religion. Otherwise, you're just spouting stuff that you were brainwashed with as a child. And still believe as an adult.

Actually, no it doesn't mean that. I'm not the one who is practicing critical theory. That's what you are doing. I don't define my beliefs by criticizing what I don't believe. Christianity is the foundation that Western Civilization was laid upon. By any objective measure Western Civilization has been a force for good, thus, Christianity has been a force for good. Do you believe that Western Civilization has not been a force for good? In the history of Western Civilization there have been many bad things that man has done, I don't need to itemize them to know that the overall benefit has been good. The logical conclusion of your argument is that religion should be banned.

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In the history of Western Civilization there have been many bad things that man has done, I don't need to itemize them to know that the overall benefit has been good.

a rather pathetic statement ... how else could a christian characterize their religion.

with his trumpet blaring ...
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Maybe you can tell me about your beliefs of God then. How's that? Can you share with me what you believe about God? Tell me if you believe God is good or bad? Tell me if you believe God works through you? Can you tell me anything at all about your beliefs?

For me, personally, I believe in good. I don't need a supernatural being to tell me how to be good, or why I'm doing it.

Maybe there is something out there that we don't understand yet, and there is some sort of cosmic intelligence. But it really doesn't matter to me. It's not going to change who I am, nor how I am going to treat others, nor how I'm going to treat the world. Infinite possibilities are out there. If it's meant to be that I find out, well great! If not, it doesn't change who I am. I don't need a "god".

And, if I am good in my life, and there REALLY is a OBG just like you believe, and He doesn't like me because I didn't believe in him and sends me to hell....

Well, then, I'd rather rule in hell, than have to kiss his sorry ass.

So, as I asked before... Why do you need a god?

 

[RWS]

What bad things have you done, that you need forgiveness for in order to feel good about yourself?

Because likely, that's what it's all about. You've been bad, and since God will forgive you after a few prayers, you can feel good about yourself and start again. Until the next time you do something bad, and then you say a few "Hail Mary's" again, confess to some creepy priest in a box... and then start over again.

Christianity allows you to keep committing evil, get forgiven, and do it again!

As long as you ask for forgiveness on a regular basis, you can keep doing all the evils you want. And feel good and righteous about it at the same time!

People like me, we don't do evils. I don't have a guilty conscience. I don't need some imaginary being to forgive me. I don't need a "God".

 

[sealybobo]

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christian, this should be a good one for you, who is your alltime greatest christian leader of Western Civilization from the 4th century to present day ...

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Can you share with me what you believe about God? Tell me if you believe God is good or bad? Tell me if you believe God works through you? Things like that.

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Can you share with me what you believe about God? Tell me if you believe God is good or bad? Tell me if you believe God works through you? Things like that.

ok then christian, tell us your alltime christian hero and why you admire them so .... Western Civilization.
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Mother Theresa? Is your point that it's very hard to think of one?

 

[sealybobo]

bing, you are a joke both by religion and politics - secularism has arrived for the betterment of both religion and politics inspite of your kind.

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You must be one of those snowflakes who are so easily offended and feels threatened.

I'm not a Christian nor would I ever be a Christian but Christianity doesn't scare me nor does it threaten me.

That because as of right now it doesn't seem like a harmful lie but it once was and some say it still is.

I go through Dearborn, mi and talk to 2000 nice Muslims and I don't see any terrorists so I say "Islam doesn't scare me". Doesn't change the fact it's a lie that could be used to threaten you.

Religion doesn't scare me because we live in a secular society

 

[BreezeWood]

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christian, this should be a good one for you, who is your alltime greatest christian leader of Western Civilization from the 4th century to present day ...

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Can you share with me what you believe about God? Tell me if you believe God is good or bad? Tell me if you believe God works through you? Things like that.

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Can you share with me what you believe about God? Tell me if you believe God is good or bad? Tell me if you believe God works through you? Things like that.

ok then christian, tell us your alltime christian hero and why you admire them so .... Western Civilization.
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Mother Theresa? Is your point that it's very hard to think of one?

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Mother Theresa? Is your point that it's very hard to think of one?

I agree with you there are countless individuals through time who have honored religion in their lifetimes, all denominations.


I am secular first religious second, for there to be an afterlife in the Everlasting much as you claim to be an agnostic atheist.

innocence, the unjust crucifixion from an earlier time in the 4th century was changed from a religion to a political statement and used by the unjust to manipulate the public conscious for their own personal gain - and is an expense for real religion. bing.


when you prove the information of Life is organic physiology I would consider atheism, till then beyond physiology there is a dimension in the Everlasting I hope to become a part of.

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