If being gay isn't a choice then how come in movies/TV shows girls are "converted" to lesbian...

[danielpalos]

Polygamy! So women can keep their girlfriends,

I don’t think that’s the right name. I think it’s polyandry or something like that.

every woman should be able to marry a nice guy.

 

[Karl Rand]

Male homosexuality and lesbianism are two completely different phenomena - not even related.

Male homosexuals are ATTRACTED to [certain] other men, and actively desire to copulate with them, just as heterosexual men desire to copulate with Victoria's Secret models.

There is no female counterpart to this homosexual compulsion. Females don't actively WANT to copulate with anyone, male or female. The lesbian preference for other women can take a number of forms: sometimes they just want affection and are not comfortable seeking it from men. Some women are just so physically repulsive (to men) that their only hope of getting any affection comes with another woman (think, Rosie O'Donnell, Linda Hunt).

The Lesbian encounters in porn - women who aggressively WANT to "do things" with other women - are an entirely contrived phenomenon, and it simply doesn't happen this way in real life.

Most long-term lesbian couples engage in "sexual" activity very rarely - almost never as they get to middle age and beyond. But they still love each other and can thrive in the relationship, sans sex.

In sum, women can choose to be lesbian, but no man can choose to be sexually attracted to other men.

Apart from you final sentence that's all speculative bullshit according to two of my dyke friends who suggested you’ve had a frontal lobotomy and very limited experience of the world.
However, they did say to warn you that isn’t in invitation to watch, no matter how much pleasure that might give you.

 

[deanrd]

Polygamy! So women can keep their girlfriends,

I don’t think that’s the right name. I think it’s polyandry or something like that.

every woman should be able to marry a nice guy.

Unless she wants a nice girl.

 

[DGS49]

Women give sex because they want affection; men give affection because they want sex.

Today's lesbians strive to play the role that the Feminist narrative assigns to them. It is phony as shit.

 

[Karl Rand]

Sweeping generalisations are just that and no more. As to the ‘Feminist narrative’ I wasn’t aware there was only one.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Nothing soft and curvy about the male form. I've like women at least since I can remember. I would get aroused around women before I even knew what that was.

As I was aroused by the male form many years before I had the vaguest idea what sex was.
Specifically I have fond memories of sitting on the stone wall at the beach staring down at a guy who sunbaked in very brief bathers summer and winter. He once looked up and me and gave me the widest smile. I nearly fainted with exitement but had no idea why I’d reacted that way for many years. At that age the little I knew about female anatomy scared me silly. When little Valery F over the road showed me her privates I was horrified (and very sorry for her) to learn women had all had their dicks cut off.

That pretty much proves that being gay is not a choice and that youre born that way. I once worked with this guy that had been a professional wrestler. I never knew he was gay until he told me the story of when he got married and on his honeymoon he spent the night with the bartender. I asked him why he had gotten married to a woman and had kids and he told me that was what was expected back then.

I had a neighbor like that years ago. She was a drop dead beautiful woman. I always knew when she was walking her dog by the cars coming to a screeching halt because they were paying attention to her and not the car in front of them.

She told me how her husband always tried to avoid her, especially when it came to sex. He even took jobs on a different shift to avoid her. She assumed she was unattractive which I quickly defused. When she told me of an incident that took place, I had to tell her she married a gay guy. The incident was that she went to kiss him while he was watering his garden, and he quickly pulled his head away in total disgust.

They moved out and she refused to listen to my conclusion. She convinced herself that their relationship elevated to a non- sexual level. Her claim was that it was impossible for her husband to be gay because his entire family was homophobic.


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[Ray From Cleveland]

As a hetero male I cant think of anything more repulsive than the sight of the male body and I dont giggle.

Then how do you live with yourself?

I avoid mirrors at all costs.

If you ever played a sport I wonder how you coped with the change room?
My suspicion is underneath that repulsion is a very well suppressed attraction. Better you stay away from mirrors and men’s change rooms then.
I do find it odd though. I’m 95% gay but still find the female body beautiful. I just dont’ want to get up close and ‘personal’ with one.

Never had a problem in the locker room. Usually I am talking so I am looking at someones eyes or if not talking looking at my clothes. I have wondered on occasion if like you say there is a suppressed attraction but then I see a woman and I know there isnt any suppression going on at all. I must be 100% hetero.

Congratulations but I still wonder why and how anyone can see the male form as ugly.
Maybe a negative early childhood experience?

Big boned, muscular, hairy, what’s to find attractive about that? Sometimes I find it hard to believe women find us attractive.


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[danielpalos]

Polygamy! So women can keep their girlfriends,

I don’t think that’s the right name. I think it’s polyandry or something like that.

every woman should be able to marry a nice guy.

Unless she wants a nice girl.

i let my wife, keep her wife and call it, polygamy.

 

[Cecilie1200]

...after one lesbian sex act?

I have seen this happen over and over again.

Pretty sure you were supposed to see it as her "discovering her true self", not as conversion.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The whole point of LGBT is that these people have no choice about their sexual preferences, but apparently, that is not always the case. Lesbians DO have a choice, and they can choose to have sex with a man or a woman, and some are lesbian until graduation ("LUG").

Okay, let me see if I can clarify the leftist mindset on this.

Lesbianism is superior to heterosexuality, because women are superior to men. All women, therefore, are latently lesbian and just don't realize it because they've been brainwashed to waste their time with men, who universally suck (and not that way). When one of these poor, oppressed souls makes sexual contact with one of the enlightened superior beings, she instantly evolves to the higher state of being a lesbian and no longer being enslaved to the evil penis.

There. That clear it up for you?

 

[Cecilie1200]

What I find interesting, to say the least, is how lesbians will pull out a plastic or rubber male body part to finish themselves off after messing around for a bit.

So, even lesbians aren't really lesbian all the way, because they aren't equipped with the necessary equipment to go all the way to completion.

Sounds like you lost a gf to a chick. Women are beautiful... why wouldn't women like other women? Did you know back in the day when armies conquered other armies, they would rape the survivors? Even great leaders like Alexander the Great did it.

You do get that straight women don't actually find other women particularly attractive, right?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Then how do you live with yourself?

I avoid mirrors at all costs.

If you ever played a sport I wonder how you coped with the change room?
My suspicion is underneath that repulsion is a very well suppressed attraction. Better you stay away from mirrors and men’s change rooms then.
I do find it odd though. I’m 95% gay but still find the female body beautiful. I just dont’ want to get up close and ‘personal’ with one.

Never had a problem in the locker room. Usually I am talking so I am looking at someones eyes or if not talking looking at my clothes. I have wondered on occasion if like you say there is a suppressed attraction but then I see a woman and I know there isnt any suppression going on at all. I must be 100% hetero.

Congratulations but I still wonder why and how anyone can see the male form as ugly.
Maybe a negative early childhood experience?

Big boned, muscular, hairy, what’s to find attractive about that? Sometimes I find it hard to believe women find us attractive.


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Those are actually good things to straight women who haven't been taught to loathe and fear masculinity (well, okay, depending on how "hairy" we're talking).

 

[Lewdog]

What I find interesting, to say the least, is how lesbians will pull out a plastic or rubber male body part to finish themselves off after messing around for a bit.

So, even lesbians aren't really lesbian all the way, because they aren't equipped with the necessary equipment to go all the way to completion.

Sounds like you lost a gf to a chick. Women are beautiful... why wouldn't women like other women? Did you know back in the day when armies conquered other armies, they would rape the survivors? Even great leaders like Alexander the Great did it.

You do get that straight women don't actually find other women particularly attractive, right?

No I know quite a few straight women that can be honest about finding other women attractive without feeling the need to turn lesbian. there is a reason however that femininity is more attractive in most cases, even in how some women find well groomed men with some feminine features more attractive than other men.

You are conflating two things that aren't the same. Finding someone attractive, and finding someone sexually attractive are NOT the same.

 

[Cecilie1200]

What I find interesting, to say the least, is how lesbians will pull out a plastic or rubber male body part to finish themselves off after messing around for a bit.

So, even lesbians aren't really lesbian all the way, because they aren't equipped with the necessary equipment to go all the way to completion.

Sounds like you lost a gf to a chick. Women are beautiful... why wouldn't women like other women? Did you know back in the day when armies conquered other armies, they would rape the survivors? Even great leaders like Alexander the Great did it.

You do get that straight women don't actually find other women particularly attractive, right?

No I know quite a few straight women that can be honest about finding other women attractive without feeling the need to turn lesbian. there is a reason however that femininity is more attractive in most cases, even in how some women find well groomed men with some feminine features more attractive than other men.

You are conflating two things that aren't the same. Finding someone attractive, and finding someone sexually attractive are NOT the same.

YOU are conflating two things, because I was talking strictly about finding them attractive sexually. YOU are the one who insisted on dragging aesthetics into it so that you could tell me I was wrong about something I wasn't talking about in the first place.

Hope this accomplished whatever you were looking for in the way of feeling sooper-smart, because it was otherwise a pointless waste of time.

 

[Lewdog]

What I find interesting, to say the least, is how lesbians will pull out a plastic or rubber male body part to finish themselves off after messing around for a bit.

So, even lesbians aren't really lesbian all the way, because they aren't equipped with the necessary equipment to go all the way to completion.

Sounds like you lost a gf to a chick. Women are beautiful... why wouldn't women like other women? Did you know back in the day when armies conquered other armies, they would rape the survivors? Even great leaders like Alexander the Great did it.

You do get that straight women don't actually find other women particularly attractive, right?

No I know quite a few straight women that can be honest about finding other women attractive without feeling the need to turn lesbian. there is a reason however that femininity is more attractive in most cases, even in how some women find well groomed men with some feminine features more attractive than other men.

You are conflating two things that aren't the same. Finding someone attractive, and finding someone sexually attractive are NOT the same.

YOU are conflating two things, because I was talking strictly about finding them attractive sexually. YOU are the one who insisted on dragging aesthetics into it so that you could tell me I was wrong about something I wasn't talking about in the first place.

Hope this accomplished whatever you were looking for in the way of feeling sooper-smart, because it was otherwise a pointless waste of time.

No I'm not. There is a reason why so many artist paint naked women more than naked men... THE FEMALE BODY is more attractive.

I'm sorry you think that admitting that might make you look like a lesbian and you aren't comfortable enough with your own sexuality to admit that.

A person doesn't have to be "sooper-smart" to understand what I've posted. It's the truth and it has been going on since the first cave man wall paintings.

 

[Karl Rand]

Lesbianism it seems is much more of a choice than gayness. After a good dicking they are right back to hetero.

And no doubt you constantly fanaticise you’re the one who can ‘cure’ them?
Delusions of grandeur.

 

[Karl Rand]

No I'm not. There is a reason why so many artist paint naked women more than naked men... THE FEMALE BODY is more attractive.

I'm sorry you think that admitting that might make you look like a lesbian and you aren't comfortable enough with your own sexuality to admit that.

A person doesn't have to be "sooper-smart" to understand what I've posted. It's the truth and it has been going on since the first cave man wall paintings.[/QUOTE]
Apart from a delusional generalisation about the female form, which even as a gay male I can see as beautiful, the mearning of the word ‘attractive’ appears to have escaped you.
Attractive is not an abstract quality, it’s a reference to the attraction something induces in a particular person. So many artists paint naked women more than men? Honey, can I suggest you become a little more acquainted with the history of art.
https://www.musee-orsay.fr/en/events/exhibitions/in-the-museums/exhibitions-in-the-musee-dorsay-more/article/masculin-masculin-37292.html?S=&tx_ttnews%5BbackPid%5D=649&cHash=68276e6a2e&print=1&no_cache=1&
A hunky history: the male nude in art

 

[Lewdog]

"Honey"... what a patronizing response.

There are different forms of attraction. For example the attraction between two magnets isn't the same as the attraction between a husband and wife... nor the same as a roadside attraction.

Also, if you are going to try and post some kind of information to contradict the opposing person's position, you should probably not post a "blog."

 

[anynameyouwish]

Polygamy! So women can keep their girlfriends,

I don’t think that’s the right name. I think it’s polyandry or something like that.

every woman should be able to marry a nice guy.

or anyone they want to.

 

[Karl Rand]

"Honey"... what a patronizing response.

There are different forms of attraction. For example the attraction between two magnets isn't the same as the attraction between a husband and wife... nor the same as a roadside attraction.

Also, if you are going to try and post some kind of information to contradict the opposing person's position, you should probably not post a "blog."

I wear the patronising but I’ve never understood why some links are OK to give on a forum and some not. As to different forms of attraction I thought I’d attempted to distinguish between a few. Must try harder but I stick with my assertion this idea the female form has always been far more popular with artists is just plain wrong.