I want the truth. Links or some kind of proof please

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    I keep hearing Obamacare is a massive tax increase because it was upheld on a tax basis.

    I'm well aware of the HUGE tax increases across the board to pay for the program but why is everyone suddenly claiming because of the penalty portion it a new unknown tax increase? Is there somehow a new tax exposed or is this just a play on words?

    Be honest
     
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    More at Factcheck
     
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    from what i know, there is no new taxes...the list of 21 taxes in the bill stuff, are fees and taxes that were ALWAYS known and used to score the cost of the act???

    So, must be a partisan, maneuvering play...is my best guess....?
     
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    Really? Did you not pay attention to the actual decision?

    Affordable Care Act Upheld | Reuters
    Essentially, Chief Justice Roberts stated the mandate was in fact against the constitution. He then immediately upheld the Affordable Health Care Act by stating the mandate was not actually a mandate but rather a tax. Pretzel logic if you ask me but whatever...

    The idea that it is a tax comes directly from the SCOTUS as it is the reason the law was upheld.
     
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    WRONG AGAIN! :lmao:

    read the decision...

    The mandate has a penalty which is called the shared responsibility payment. In the text, the shared responsibility payment is called a penalty. This payment will be collected by the IRS, but the IRS is prohibited from using certain practices to collect the payment. Only people who DO NOT buy insurance will be hit with the payment.

    Chief Justice Roberts ruled that Congress can call what appears to be a tax a penalty, but that does not mean the penalty is not a tax. For constitutional purposes the penalty is a tax.

    The mandate is NOT a tax. The penalty, the shared responsibility payment the mandate imposes IS a tax.
     
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    You can't handle the truth!
     
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    Yeah. The mandate is important, if you take car insurance as an example, when people don't buy car insurance and get in accidents, everybody's premiums go up. With the healthcare, they're putting the onus on those who can afford it but don't buy it.

    Also, we have the medicaid expansion offered to the states paid for by the government for the the first three years then they start paying in 2017. That's 17,000,000 people who will be covered, these people are up to 33% above poverty. That is for seniors, kids, families out of work.. Imo, we should do this for our citizens, if we want to remain one of the strongest nations in the world, we should take care of our own.
     
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    Really? You are well aware of the HUGE tax increases across the board to pay for the program?

    How about a link to the truth about that statement. You slip it in there like a fact........but people with a brain see it for what it is.....
     
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    Ya beat me to it.
     
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    It's all free! So who cares?

    Greedy taxpayers will have to dig a little deeper to pay for the free healthcare for those Democrat voters

    It's a win win!
     

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