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Birth control isn't murder.
Meh, I sometimes wonder why I bother making an effort to understand the 'pro murder' crowd. I've always supported your right, it's a pity that none of you do likewise for others. Self centered, hateful people.
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The thing is, Art, that - whether you agree with the Church's position on birth control or not is irrelevant. This is fundamentally a First Amendment issue. The problem is that liberals are incapable of sticking to the facts and not getting their panties in a wad about the actual issue.
Not hard. First Amendment - the right to freedom of religion. Do we have that in America or not?
I've been saying this whole thread that I disagree with their policy but that they should be allowed to keep it.
Hello?
So, support the waiver. Simple.
I'm pretty sure that Catholics could only hire Catholics if that is what they wanted to do.It is about one thing and one thing only. The First Amendment. If you support the First Amendment, you must support the Catholic Church in this fight. If, however, the Constitution is a meaningless piece of paper, fine. Say so.
That is absolute horse shit. Based on your reasoning, we should have supported bin Laden in the 9/11 attacks. It's their religion, right? First Amendment, right!
Wrong. The First Amendment does not give a group carte blanche to do whatever they want, or to violate the law. If Catholics want to believe that contraception is a sin, go ahead, the government won't stop you. If Catholics want to choose to not use contraception, go ahead, the government won't stop you. But if people who have an EMPLOYMENT RELATIONSHIP with the church don't want to believe what the church teaches, then that is their right. Claims of religious conviction do not justify an employer making the decision for the employee.
True! But if Catholic organizations did not have government interference to begin with, they would have only hired Catholics. The decision on whether to use birth control or have an abortion is not in question. Does the employee have the right to force the employer to pay for the birth control and abortion? That's the issue and I hope the Church never lets the government forget it.
You don't understand the issue. Good to know.... you just follow your messiah, and allow me to follow mine. Get the fuck out of my faith. Got that? Good.
We really need to go to confession... LOL!
That is absolute horse shit. Based on your reasoning, we should have supported bin Laden in the 9/11 attacks. It's their religion, right? First Amendment, right!
The Al Queda guys who flew planes into the towers were U.S. citizens, entitled to First Amendment rights?
You really are a dummy, aren't you.
Truthmatter's sock perhaps?
I know. Obama and some of you clowns actually think this isn't a big deal amongst Catholics.
Talk about blatant ignorance.
Laughable.
Ok, hold it, time out.
Warrior, you're defending this? You're not actually saying you're Catholic, or even religious, in any way...
.... are you?
Perhaps the most vile, arrogant, hateful, consistently and dependably vulgar poster on this board is claiming to be a Christian?
Yikes. You can't make this stuff up.
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That's the beauty of being a Catholic - I can call you an assbrain or dicklips all day long - and go to confession.
I'm pretty sure that Catholics could only hire Catholics if that is what they wanted to do.That is absolute horse shit. Based on your reasoning, we should have supported bin Laden in the 9/11 attacks. It's their religion, right? First Amendment, right!
Wrong. The First Amendment does not give a group carte blanche to do whatever they want, or to violate the law. If Catholics want to believe that contraception is a sin, go ahead, the government won't stop you. If Catholics want to choose to not use contraception, go ahead, the government won't stop you. But if people who have an EMPLOYMENT RELATIONSHIP with the church don't want to believe what the church teaches, then that is their right. Claims of religious conviction do not justify an employer making the decision for the employee.
True! But if Catholic organizations did not have government interference to begin with, they would have only hired Catholics. The decision on whether to use birth control or have an abortion is not in question. Does the employee have the right to force the employer to pay for the birth control and abortion? That's the issue and I hope the Church never lets the government forget it.
Why are they employing people that use birth control to begin with? Sounds to me that they are doing something that they consider evil by doing so.
Such hypocrites.
Birth control isn't murder.
This clearly is ....
The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services announced a little over a week ago that almost all employers, including Catholic employers, will be forced to offer their employees health coverage that includes sterilization, abortion-inducing drugs, and contraception.
If they are employing people that practice what they consider evil then they are hypocrites.I'm pretty sure that Catholics could only hire Catholics if that is what they wanted to do.True! But if Catholic organizations did not have government interference to begin with, they would have only hired Catholics. The decision on whether to use birth control or have an abortion is not in question. Does the employee have the right to force the employer to pay for the birth control and abortion? That's the issue and I hope the Church never lets the government forget it.
Why are they employing people that use birth control to begin with? Sounds to me that they are doing something that they consider evil by doing so.
Such hypocrites.
Big Corporations all got the waivers they wanted. We didn't. Why? What makes the Church 'different' to those companies who donated to Obama? The donations? The fact that the hard left disapprove of the Catholic Church?
We aren't hypocrites, we employ non-Catholics... we provide services to non Catholics. We helped 8 million of America's poorest people last year. 8 fucking million people. Did you? No. We did. Every disaster anywhere in the world... we're there. Every inner city getto - we're there. Every uninsured American - we're there. You aren't. We are. All we're asking is that the government recognize our duty to be there - to do those things - and waiver the church like they have waivered very fucking big corporation.
The hypocrites in this fight... that is you.
You don't understand the issue. Good to know.... you just follow your messiah, and allow me to follow mine. Get the fuck out of my faith. Got that? Good.
We really need to go to confession... LOL!
I usually make my Priest laugh a lot in Confession.
Your religion should NOT keep people from medical treatment anymore than it should allow preists to rape children
If they are employing people that practice what they consider evil then they are hypocrites.I'm pretty sure that Catholics could only hire Catholics if that is what they wanted to do.
Why are they employing people that use birth control to begin with? Sounds to me that they are doing something that they consider evil by doing so.
Such hypocrites.
Big Corporations all got the waivers they wanted. We didn't. Why? What makes the Church 'different' to those companies who donated to Obama? The donations? The fact that the hard left disapprove of the Catholic Church?
We aren't hypocrites, we employ non-Catholics... we provide services to non Catholics. We helped 8 million of America's poorest people last year. 8 fucking million people. Did you? No. We did. Every disaster anywhere in the world... we're there. Every inner city getto - we're there. Every uninsured American - we're there. You aren't. We are. All we're asking is that the government recognize our duty to be there - to do those things - and waiver the church like they have waivered very fucking big corporation.
The hypocrites in this fight... that is you.
It really is that simple.
True! But if Catholic organizations did not have government interference to begin with, they would have only hired Catholics.
The decision on whether to use birth control or have an abortion is not in question. Does the employee have the right to force the employer to pay for the birth control and abortion? That's the issue and I hope the Church never lets the government forget it.
