I ain't no Birther, but what's up with this?

[American Horse]

Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate

It appears that this is innocent enough, the spelling I mean. Back then, in 2004, Obama was not a well known political figure. His opponent Ryan was moreso. So it appears back then, accurate or not, to be thought that Ryan's opponent was Kenyan born, and not an issue of creating birther proof a priori.

 

[Emma]

WTF?!?!?!?

um, you need to actually read what she said
and maybe read a few of her posts in this thread

I guess we need a sarcasm smilie lol.

I think any time that's brought up, toss it right back to 'em. How do we know any of our presidents were natural born citizens? After all, we took them at their word with no proof of their or their parents' place of birth.

i dont know if any presidential candidate had their citizenship challenged like we had in the 2008 election where BOTH major party's had their candidates challenged for proof of it

Yup. Although they did take Obama's to a whole 'nother level. I'm not sure how extensive it was for Arthur, but being back in that time it didn't take hold anywhere near the extent as it has with Obama (and it died off before he took office, from what I can tell).

 

[MaggieMae]

Provided some evidence Dan Rather was right, ohh and that he was fired as well. Rather claimed Bush received favorable treatment in promotions and such and used an obvious forgery to do it. If it were true and you know it, provide us some actual paper work to back it up.

As regards the supposed feelings of his commanding officer, the family of the conveniently dead commander disagree completely with Rather's report and tell a different story, one where the Commander LIKED Bush and thought he was a promising Officer. Go figure.

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh.................

this is why i and many others think you are a moron

Awww, I thought you were starting to like me. Sob sob. But hey, I like to subtly point out why it's okay for you guys to suddenly remember that George W. Bush's policies set the scene for the following administration, yet it's taboo when my "side" does it.

 

[jvn]

Can you imagine when, five years from now, people post articles from WorldNutsDaily or the Sludge Report as PROOF of something?

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate

Pale Rider has made many multiple threads in the past that proved beyond a doubt that socialist Obama is a kenyan born citizen and that there is no shread of evidence that proves he is a us citizen.People around here only see what they WANT to see though so of course they ignored it and typed in all kinds of crap to try and save face though.

 

[xotoxi]

Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate

Holy Crap!

I had always thought that Orally Titz and all of the other birthers were a bunch of wingnuts...but this article from The Standard Ltd in Kenya that mentions "Kenyan born" and "Barrack Obama" in the same sentence, has gotten me to jump on the birther's bandwagon.

It also brings into question the spelling of his name. It appears that we have been misspelling his name as "Barack" all along.

He DUPED us!!!

 

[xotoxi]

It appears that this is innocent enough, the spelling I mean. Back then, in 2004, Obama was not a well known political figure. His opponent Ryan was moreso. So it appears back then, accurate or not, to be thought that Ryan's opponent was Kenyan born, and not an issue of creating birther proof a priori.

Additionally, there is absolutely no way that this article could have been written recently, as it is clearly dated "Sunday, June 27, 2004".

Facts like this cannot be falsified on the internet.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate

Pale Rider has made many multiple threads in the past that proved beyond a doubt that socialist Obama is a kenyan born citizen and that there is no shread of evidence that proves he is a us citizen.People around here only see what they WANT to see though so of course they ignored it and typed in all kinds of crap to try and save face though.

Yeah....right.......Pole Rider is SOOOOOOOO correct.

Never mind the birth certificate, statements by the doctors, the birth announcement in the papers.................

Yeah.........better to ignore the facts.

You really are a 'tard ain't ya? Bet you're a Hannity refugee.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate

Pale Rider has made many multiple threads in the past that proved beyond a doubt that socialist Obama is a kenyan born citizen and that there is no shread of evidence that proves he is a us citizen.People around here only see what they WANT to see though so of course they ignored it and typed in all kinds of crap to try and save face though.

Yeah....right.......Pole Rider is SOOOOOOOO correct.

Never mind the birth certificate, statements by the doctors, the birth announcement in the papers.................

Yeah.........better to ignore the facts.

You really are a 'tard ain't ya? Bet you're a Hannity refugee.

you mean the fake and phony birth ceritificate they have displayed,the announcement in the corporate controlled media which is a horrible source for true facts? yeah thats what you frady cats love to do,ignore the facts and only see what you WANT to see.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Pale Rider has made many multiple threads in the past that proved beyond a doubt that socialist Obama is a kenyan born citizen and that there is no shread of evidence that proves he is a us citizen.People around here only see what they WANT to see though so of course they ignored it and typed in all kinds of crap to try and save face though.

Yeah....right.......Pole Rider is SOOOOOOOO correct.

Never mind the birth certificate, statements by the doctors, the birth announcement in the papers.................

Yeah.........better to ignore the facts.

You really are a 'tard ain't ya? Bet you're a Hannity refugee.

you mean the fake and phony birth ceritificate they have displayed,the announcement in the corporate controlled media which is a horrible source for true facts? yeah thats what you frady cats love to do,ignore the facts and only see what you WANT to see.

Well......you're obviously a conspiracy theorist as referenced by your user name, so that means you're willing to believe any kind of bullshit that is heaped into your tiny skull by FAUX News.

You also realize that Orly Taitz is trying to say that the whole reason SHE believes Obama isn't a citizen is because his PARENTS weren't born here.

Anchor babies for immigrants anyone? You are a citizen if you are born in the confines of the United States.

Oh yeah.........wanna talk about that fake birth certificate from Kenya?

 

[manu1959]

so the first time they lied and spelled his name wrong so we aren't to believe them.....until they say he wasn't born there and spell his name right and then we are suposed to believe them.....

 

[Emma]

Why don't we just believe what the director of the Hawaii department of health has stated--- twice: she's seen the record and Obama was indeed born in Hawaii.

 

[The Rabbi]

Why don't we just believe what the director of the Hawaii department of health has stated--- twice: she's seen the record and Obama was indeed born in Hawaii.

Because when a gov't official assures you something is perfectly fine, you want to check twice.

But it begs the question: Why do we need to take a bureaucrat's word on something this important? Why don't they just release the damn thing? Why is the Obama administration fighting release of what ought to be routine information?
Why have they fought against releasing his college records as well? What is there they don't want people to see?
Idont know where he was born. I have a hard time believing 90+ year old women. I dont beliieve a lot of circumstantial evidence. But there is no denying that Obama is spending time and money to prevent publication of this information. It brings the question, why? I keep coming back to that. I am not a conspiracy theorist at all. But I cannot get past this question and this one fact.

 

[jvn]

Why don't we just believe what the director of the Hawaii department of health has stated--- twice: she's seen the record and Obama was indeed born in Hawaii.

Because when a gov't official assures you something is perfectly fine, you want to check twice.

But it begs the question: Why do we need to take a bureaucrat's word on something this important? Why don't they just release the damn thing? Why is the Obama administration fighting release of what ought to be routine information?
Why have they fought against releasing his college records as well? What is there they don't want people to see?
Idont know where he was born. I have a hard time believing 90+ year old women. I dont beliieve a lot of circumstantial evidence. But there is no denying that Obama is spending time and money to prevent publication of this information. It brings the question, why? I keep coming back to that. I am not a conspiracy theorist at all. But I cannot get past this question and this one fact.

He has made the scan of his COLB public - that is above and beyond what any other President has ever done - try to get past THAT.

Further, as Em has pointed out, the Director of the Hawaii DOH has twice verified that he was born in Hawaii.

Why won't he "publish" his BC? Probably because it wouldn't accomplish much except to weaken the Office of the Presidency.

 

[Emma]

Why don't we just believe what the director of the Hawaii department of health has stated--- twice: she's seen the record and Obama was indeed born in Hawaii.

Because when a gov't official assures you something is perfectly fine, you want to check twice.

She stated such. Twice.

 

[The Rabbi]

Why don't we just believe what the director of the Hawaii department of health has stated--- twice: she's seen the record and Obama was indeed born in Hawaii.

Because when a gov't official assures you something is perfectly fine, you want to check twice.

She stated such. Twice.

No, dweeb. Not whether they said that. Whether it's true or not. You need independent confirmation.
The very fact it had to be repeated probably indicates it's false.

And nice dodging the main part of my post, which is that it is undeniable that Obama is blocking release. The question is why.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Because when a gov't official assures you something is perfectly fine, you want to check twice.

She stated such. Twice.

No, dweeb. Not whether they said that. Whether it's true or not. You need independent confirmation.
The very fact it had to be repeated probably indicates it's false.

And nice dodging the main part of my post, which is that it is undeniable that Obama is blocking release. The question is why.

Okay, so you want independent verification that what the doctor said is true.......

What? The fucking newspaper announcement, the birth certificate that WAS SHOWN (it's been on several news channels), as well as the many people who were their neighbors ain't good enough?

I'm gonna start calling you Rabbit, as your logic has obviously ran away quick.

 

[Emma]

Why don't we just believe what the director of the Hawaii department of health has stated--- twice: she's seen the record and Obama was indeed born in Hawaii.

Because when a gov't official assures you something is perfectly fine, you want to check twice.

But it begs the question: Why do we need to take a bureaucrat's word on something this important? Why don't they just release the damn thing? Why is the Obama administration fighting release of what ought to be routine information?
Why have they fought against releasing his college records as well? What is there they don't want people to see?
Idont know where he was born. I have a hard time believing 90+ year old women. I dont beliieve a lot of circumstantial evidence. But there is no denying that Obama is spending time and money to prevent publication of this information. It brings the question, why? I keep coming back to that. I am not a conspiracy theorist at all. But I cannot get past this question and this one fact.

He has made the scan of his COLB public - that is above and beyond what any other President has ever done - try to get past THAT.

Further, as Em has pointed out, the Director of the Hawaii DOH has twice verified that he was born in Hawaii.

Why won't he "publish" his BC? Probably because it wouldn't accomplish much except to weaken the Office of the Presidency.

First and foremost, it won't stop the nutters. In the minds of a conspiracy theorist, evidence to the contrary only PROVES to them they are in the right, and the conspiracy is even more widespread than they suspected.

Go back to when all this crap started. In spite of taking every other candidate---ever at their word that they were eligible to serve, it was demanded of Obama that he produce a BC. Time and again I heard, "if he were to ONLY show a birth certificate, I'd believe he was born in the US!"

So he posts a copy of his birth certificate.

"It's a forgery!!!"

It was proven not to be a forgery.

"But it's a COLB, not a birth certificate!"

It was proven that this is all the Hawaiian DOH releases upon request for birth records.

"That doesn't matter! ANYONE can get a Hawaiian birth certificate stating they were born there!"

That was proven wrong.

"Well what about this one from [Indonesia, Canada, Kenya, etc.]?"

Proven to be fake.

"That doesn't matter! An article from an online kenyan news site says he was 'Kenyan born'"

Director of the Hawaiian DOH and the Republican governor of Hawaii state Obama was born in Hawaii.

"They're in on it too!"

Judge Land issues a blistering decision against O Rly.

"He's committing treason! Obama is forcing him to rule that way! He's in on it too!"

And in anticipation that Judge Carter will do the same:

"Judge Carter is paid by the FEDS and ALL equipment/facilities, training etc are paid for by the FEDS. It is entirely possible that the USURPER* has used the court’s funding to insert his MAFIA into the court system.

If the FEDS shut off the funding of Judge Carter’s court then what? Is the judge still a judge and can WE THE PEOPLE withold taxes from the income tax and pay those taxes to Judge Carters court.
We need a strategy that will GUARANTEE that a JUdge will have the LEGAL right to carry this case forward as shown in the trial schedule.
It is my VIEW that the USURPER is pushing the FOREIGNER onto judge Carter."

*[i.e. President Obama]


Yeah. Giving the nutters what they demand will stop 'em.

Not.

 

[Emma]

No, dweeb. Not whether they said that. Whether it's true or not. You need independent confirmation.
The very fact it had to be repeated probably indicates it's false.

Yeah. They're in on it too. Thanks for so readily proving my point made in the above post.

I'm going to have to update my list of conspirators. Amazing how, considering the sheer number of people in on this fraud, no one has spilled the beans.

And nice dodging the main part of my post, which is that it is undeniable that Obama is blocking release. The question is why.

Answered by your comment here (bolded), and my post to jvn.

 

[The Rabbi]

She stated such. Twice.

No, dweeb. Not whether they said that. Whether it's true or not. You need independent confirmation.
The very fact it had to be repeated probably indicates it's false.

And nice dodging the main part of my post, which is that it is undeniable that Obama is blocking release. The question is why.

Okay, so you want independent verification that what the doctor said is true.......

What? The fucking newspaper announcement, the birth certificate that WAS SHOWN (it's been on several news channels), as well as the many people who were their neighbors ain't good enough?

I'm gonna start calling you Rabbit, as your logic has obviously ran away quick.

When questions arose about McCain there was a full and complete disclosure of all records pertaining to his birth.
That's how you deal with the issue when a question arises. Assuming of course that everything is on the up and up.
Would that satisfy everyone? No, nothing will. But there are enough people like me who can't get past the stonewalling of this administration to think some kind of disclosure would solve the problem and can't understand why they won't.
And how in the hell does releasing information "weaken the presidency"?? That is the most Nixonian thing I've heard here so far. And that isn't comforting.