Hundreds of thousands protest US troop presence in Iraq.

[eagle1462010]

The regime change was awesome! It was the rebuilding and policing that shouldnt have been done.

Was the regime change worth 23,000 casualties?

Absolutely. Saddam was killing a hell of a lot more people than that. God only knows what kind of horrors he would have unleashed over the next few decades, let alone his lunatic sons after him.

Why wasn`t he charged for what you say he did?
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Saddam Hussein sentenced to death

He was sentenced to death for killing his own people and the Kurds........Slaughtering the Shia there who rose up after Bush Sr. rallied them to take the country back, and they were killed for it..........They thought we were going to FINISH IT in the 1st Gulf War.............

Saddam was contained............and a long occupation was stupid..........always goes wrong in the Middle East.......and has gotten us stuck there for 18 years......

If you don't fight to win then you shouldn't go there at all...........As I've said........we should have just Fucked them up and left.............

Should not have gone. From thousand of miles away, we were under no immediate threat, not having weapons of mass destruction. Yellow cake was just a ruse by the ones that wanted us there. Probably more advance nuclear program on liberal arts campuses right here.

They had it before and in the 1st Gulf War............I served then and talked to Marines whose CBR monitors went off going in...........Not just one vehicle, but SEVERAL VEHICLES at the same time.........One ...maybe a malfunction........4 or 5..........it's a problem..........

We blew the living hell out of their ammo dumps and storage so we didn't really know what they had left....

Even with that.............Long term occupation and rebuilding was just the politicians making money for the Weapons Manufacturers................

Either way............get in and get out should have been done ........No long term occupations.....that is why we have been there for 18 years. and spent 6 Trillion to 8 Trillion adding to long term casualties.......

 

[White 6]

Did we intentionally target those children? If not, why are you talking about that story? What does that have to do with our debate?

Yes, we intentionally target those children. We know there are children where our bombs are falling. We have NO business dropping these bombs.

NO. We don''t intentionally target children. Hang out in airport with you parents spitting on troops returning from Vietnam as a kid? Shameful assertion. Beneath you.

If you can prove that a returning Vietnam soldier was spit on you would be the first one to do so. Repeating a lie often enough doesn`t make it the truth. No newspaper reports, no video, no hospital or doctor reports, no police reports of a disturbance involving returning vets, no nothing. Which war protester didn`t have a friend, relative or a loved one in Vietnam? There are lies and there are really stupid lies and that`s one of them.

Interesting. Did just a quick image search figuring on a news picture, nothing. Did likewise for signs saying baby killer, nothing. My own brother spoke of protesters, but no spitting or baby killer signs. Does this mean I saw "First Blood" to many times? Many unexamined truths and myths out there. Thanks for directing me to take one out of the attic and look at it. Grew up during the time period, memory says it should be there, but did not see a single example on search.

to-two-too

Learn the difference please!

Thanks rock, you old grammer nazi, you. Slipping, no doubt. Biggest kick my comp teacher had years ago was my overuse of commas, which she never correct either.

 

[eagle1462010]

Saying weird shit that no one on earth believes, isnt a very effective way of debating.

One bomb. 11 children killed. And the evidence that led to the US

We have NO business dropping bombs anywhere.

Did we intentionally target those children? If not, why are you talking about that story? What does that have to do with our debate?

Yes, we intentionally target those children. We know there are children where our bombs are falling. We have NO business dropping these bombs.

NO. We don''t intentionally target children. Hang out in airport with you parents spitting on troops returning from Vietnam as a kid? Shameful assertion. Beneath you.

If you can prove that a returning Vietnam soldier was spit on you would be the first one to do so. Repeating a lie often enough doesn`t make it the truth. No newspaper reports, no video, no hospital or doctor reports, no police reports of a disturbance involving returning vets, no nothing. Which war protester didn`t have a friend, relative or a loved one in Vietnam? There are lies and there are really stupid lies and that`s one of them.

Revisionist Fing History here...........I was very young back then but that shit did go on..........and the same LSD lunatics from back then now run the dang country.

 

[White 6]

Was the regime change worth 23,000 casualties?

Absolutely. Saddam was killing a hell of a lot more people than that. God only knows what kind of horrors he would have unleashed over the next few decades, let alone his lunatic sons after him.

Why wasn`t he charged for what you say he did?
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Saddam Hussein sentenced to death

He was sentenced to death for killing his own people and the Kurds........Slaughtering the Shia there who rose up after Bush Sr. rallied them to take the country back, and they were killed for it..........They thought we were going to FINISH IT in the 1st Gulf War.............

Saddam was contained............and a long occupation was stupid..........always goes wrong in the Middle East.......and has gotten us stuck there for 18 years......

If you don't fight to win then you shouldn't go there at all...........As I've said........we should have just Fucked them up and left.............

Should not have gone. From thousand of miles away, we were under no immediate threat, not having weapons of mass destruction. Yellow cake was just a ruse by the ones that wanted us there. Probably more advance nuclear program on liberal arts campuses right here.

They had it before and in the 1st Gulf War............I served then and talked to Marines whose CBR monitors went off going in...........Not just one vehicle, but SEVERAL VEHICLES at the same time.........One ...maybe a malfunction........4 or 5..........it's a problem..........

We blew the living hell out of their ammo dumps and storage so we didn't really know what they had left....

Even with that.............Long term occupation and rebuilding was just the politicians making money for the Weapons Manufacturers................

Either way............get in and get out should have been done ........No long term occupations.....that is why we have been there for 18 years. and spent 6 Trillion to 8 Trillion adding to long term casualties.......

Sun Tzu knew this over two thousand years ago.

 

[eagle1462010]

Absolutely. Saddam was killing a hell of a lot more people than that. God only knows what kind of horrors he would have unleashed over the next few decades, let alone his lunatic sons after him.

Why wasn`t he charged for what you say he did?
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Saddam Hussein sentenced to death

He was sentenced to death for killing his own people and the Kurds........Slaughtering the Shia there who rose up after Bush Sr. rallied them to take the country back, and they were killed for it..........They thought we were going to FINISH IT in the 1st Gulf War.............

Saddam was contained............and a long occupation was stupid..........always goes wrong in the Middle East.......and has gotten us stuck there for 18 years......

If you don't fight to win then you shouldn't go there at all...........As I've said........we should have just Fucked them up and left.............

Should not have gone. From thousand of miles away, we were under no immediate threat, not having weapons of mass destruction. Yellow cake was just a ruse by the ones that wanted us there. Probably more advance nuclear program on liberal arts campuses right here.

They had it before and in the 1st Gulf War............I served then and talked to Marines whose CBR monitors went off going in...........Not just one vehicle, but SEVERAL VEHICLES at the same time.........One ...maybe a malfunction........4 or 5..........it's a problem..........

We blew the living hell out of their ammo dumps and storage so we didn't really know what they had left....

Even with that.............Long term occupation and rebuilding was just the politicians making money for the Weapons Manufacturers................

Either way............get in and get out should have been done ........No long term occupations.....that is why we have been there for 18 years. and spent 6 Trillion to 8 Trillion adding to long term casualties.......

Sun Tzu knew this over two thousand years ago.

Yes he did.............His quotes still hold true today.........

 

[pknopp]

Yes, we intentionally target those children. We know there are children where our bombs are falling. We have NO business dropping these bombs.

NO. We don''t intentionally target children. Hang out in airport with you parents spitting on troops returning from Vietnam as a kid? Shameful assertion. Beneath you.

You never disputed my point. If you are dropping bombs on communities you know you are dropping bombs on kids. We drop bombs because we know that if we actually sent in troops many would get killed and then people would start paying attention.

Sadly we accept when it's other people's kids getting killed.

Big difference in intent. We Do Not Target Kids, period. Air mission planning time, cruise missile flight times, sometimes change effect, but They Are Not Deliberately Targeted in mission planning, Ever.

We can say we do not "intend" to kill kids but we know the end result is the same. We can't even explain why we do it.

All you will get from me is that I was against going after Saddam as a benefit to America and against staying there on a wrongly started, failed quest.

Great............that doesn't explain why we are still there are why people like Lindsey Graham has conniptions when anyone suggests we leave.

 

[pknopp]

Trump has said he was going to remove the troops until Lindsey Graham warns him not to.

I don't know who got to him, but I think somebody certainly did.

Can I provide a link? No, but Trump knows that if he started to pull out that the (R)'s would turn on him on the impeachment.

Am familiar with military planning at and above battle planning. On your second assertion, he could sell anything to his cult, with the smallest tweet. They mostly care about the economy, returns on investment, and pissing of the left just to piss off the left. Again, he can stray from the last with the smallest tweet and they will not only submit, but sing higher praises, this time supporting his humanity and wisdom.

We see how his cult is (which I believe a proper term). He says he is removing the troops and they cheer. He says he is leaving them and they cheer.

None of that affects how the Senate votes on impeachment.

Which of course is not topic of the thread.

I believe it is relevant. They want us out. Trump says he wanted us out. Why aren't we out?

 

[White 6]

I don't know who got to him, but I think somebody certainly did.

Can I provide a link? No, but Trump knows that if he started to pull out that the (R)'s would turn on him on the impeachment.

Am familiar with military planning at and above battle planning. On your second assertion, he could sell anything to his cult, with the smallest tweet. They mostly care about the economy, returns on investment, and pissing of the left just to piss off the left. Again, he can stray from the last with the smallest tweet and they will not only submit, but sing higher praises, this time supporting his humanity and wisdom.

We see how his cult is (which I believe a proper term). He says he is removing the troops and they cheer. He says he is leaving them and they cheer.

None of that affects how the Senate votes on impeachment.

Which of course is not topic of the thread.

I believe it is relevant. They want us out. Trump says he wanted us out. Why aren't we out?

Rightfully and/or wrongfully, the presidents set policy, listening to whoever catches their ear. Unless the action is deemed unlawful, it must be this way, and yes even if unlawful, (as we have seen) it will often be this way, anyway. I am a realist, and control only that which I direct authority to control. I have opinions, I believe in, but why reality is real is not among them, sometimes taking comfort in objectivist philosophy.

 

[cnm]

I am not a purist. I am not particularly worried about any supposed crime of "illegal invasion", only damage and loss of our fine troops where they did not need to be, totally destabilizing the region (not that they were all that stable already by unleashing Iran), loss of treasure on the failed endeavor, foolishly inserting us between Iran and Israel instead of giving Israel the tools and autonomy to deal with it as needed, things like that, with costs and obligations but no upside for the American people.

As I said, the fact it was a crime against peace doesn't even enter the equation. Quite amusing really, in a sad sort of a way, from the drivers of Nuremberg.

 

[Godboy]

Saying weird shit that no one on earth believes, isnt a very effective way of debating.

One bomb. 11 children killed. And the evidence that led to the US

We have NO business dropping bombs anywhere.

Did we intentionally target those children? If not, why are you talking about that story? What does that have to do with our debate?

Yes, we intentionally target those children. We know there are children where our bombs are falling. We have NO business dropping these bombs.

NO. We don''t intentionally target children. Hang out in airport with you parents spitting on troops returning from Vietnam as a kid? Shameful assertion. Beneath you.

If you can prove that a returning Vietnam soldier was spit on you would be the first one to do so. Repeating a lie often enough doesn`t make it the truth. No newspaper reports, no video, no hospital or doctor reports, no police reports of a disturbance involving returning vets, no nothing. Which war protester didn`t have a friend, relative or a loved one in Vietnam? There are lies and there are really stupid lies and that`s one of them.

True, there should be tons of cellphone videos. Oh wait, wrong decade for that.

I think its humorous that you think there is no way any of you lefties spit on our returning Vietnam soldiers (despite countless eye witness accounts of it), when youll do it today simply because someone is wearing the presidents hat.