Hr 3962 passes!

[The T]

here is a little speculation on my part.

If I will be paying 20% or more of my income to purchase health insurance as I believe I will if this abomination gets signed into law, why shouldn't I refuse to buy insurance and take the 2.5% tax penalty instead?

After all if no insurance company can deny me coverage if I am sick, I can save 17.5% of my income by not buying insurance until I am ill then I can drop it when I am well again.

If more of us figure this out, won't premiums rise even more?

Yes.

 

[Skull Pilot]

here is a little speculation on my part.

If I will be paying 20% or more of my income to purchase health insurance as I believe I will if this abomination gets signed into law, why shouldn't I refuse to buy insurance and take the 2.5% tax penalty instead?

After all if no insurance company can deny me coverage if I am sick, I can save 17.5% of my income by not buying insurance until I am ill then I can drop it when I am well again.

If more of us figure this out, won't premiums rise even more?

Yes.

So you're on board?

What better protest than us denying the government it's pound of flesh?

 

[The T]

Can't we all just get along?

YouTube - Cute Animals, "Why Can't We Be Friends"

That is the cutest video.
With that being said, I'm happy to hear the bill passed. Now it just has to pass the Senate.

Yea, that'll be fun.

Then, the big nice, warm, loving government will take care of us. It will tell us how to raise children (that's in the bill), what to eat (make sure you get your 5 a day), who gets what treatment (that's in the bill), etc. etc. etc.

All this and the opportunity to get our asses thrown in jail for non compliance. Yep, fabulous. Oh, and let's not forget that, without profit, there is no money for research so forget about developing cures for the diseases that blight the planet. But, hey, the government will take care of that too, right!

Fucking liberals and their need for nannying.

Agreed. If this is signed into law? The Government can tell you what you can eat, and basically how to live your life. And they will monitor your behaviour before they will give you care of any sort. They will withold care until YOU straighten up and fly right.

And too, if you aren't on any plan? They can fine you and send your butt to jail. Isn't that so caring of them?

 

[Skull Pilot]

That is the cutest video.
With that being said, I'm happy to hear the bill passed. Now it just has to pass the Senate.

Yea, that'll be fun.

Then, the big nice, warm, loving government will take care of us. It will tell us how to raise children (that's in the bill), what to eat (make sure you get your 5 a day), who gets what treatment (that's in the bill), etc. etc. etc.

All this and the opportunity to get our asses thrown in jail for non compliance. Yep, fabulous. Oh, and let's not forget that, without profit, there is no money for research so forget about developing cures for the diseases that blight the planet. But, hey, the government will take care of that too, right!

Fucking liberals and their need for nannying.

Agreed. If this is signed into law? The Government can tell you what you can eat, and basically how to live your life. And they will monitor your behaviour before they will give you care of any sort. They will withold care until YOU straighten up and fly right.

And too, if you aren't on any plan? They can fine you and send your butt to jail. Isn't that so caring of them?

But when you're in jail, you'll get free health care and a college education. And not to mention the H1N1 vaccine that we law abiding citizens can't get.

 

[The T]

here is a little speculation on my part.

If I will be paying 20% or more of my income to purchase health insurance as I believe I will if this abomination gets signed into law, why shouldn't I refuse to buy insurance and take the 2.5% tax penalty instead?

After all if no insurance company can deny me coverage if I am sick, I can save 17.5% of my income by not buying insurance until I am ill then I can drop it when I am well again.

If more of us figure this out, won't premiums rise even more?

Yes.

So you're on board?

What better protest than us denying the government it's pound of flesh?

I am not on board for any Government intrusion. The problem we have has been created by the Government in the first place.

 

[ayiakri]

Hmm ...

1. Have a non-white skin coloring.
2. Have some uncommon religion or one that has been persecuted recently.
3. Be gay (that's new).
4. Be disabled.

It's funny, the "minority" groups actually make up the "majority" of the population.

Why not learn to count? Straight, white, non-disabled judeo-christians make up an absolute majority of the population in the United States.

~ 74% of the population is white (non-hispanic)
~80% of the population self-identify as Christian or Jewish
~10% of all Americans suffer from a disability
~4% of Americans self-identify as gay or lesbian.

Thus, roughly 51% of the country is straight, white (non-hispanic), non-disabled, and either christian or jewish.

In another decade, though, as the percentage of asians and hispanics increase, then that number will fall.

What's the matter - you afraid a gang of lesbian Chinese buddhist monks is going to come after you?

Edit to add: In the future, when every ethnic group is a minority, and "all the minorities together are the majority", what difference does that make? For that matter, you're mixing different minority groups that represent different things. Someone can be Black and Christian, or Black and some "uncommon" religion, or White and Wiccan, or disabled but white and christian, or whatever.

It doesn't even make sense to compare apples to oranges, in an attempt to show that some combination of different attributes applied to the same group of people makes up a "majority". It doesn't change the fact that gays/lesbians, and Jews, and disabled people, and Asians, are all still minorities in their respecting groupings.

If you're a coder, I guess you must have helped write Windows Vista, lol.

 

[KittenKoder]

Hmm ...

1. Have a non-white skin coloring.
2. Have some uncommon religion or one that has been persecuted recently.
3. Be gay (that's new).
4. Be disabled.

It's funny, the "minority" groups actually make up the "majority" of the population.

Why not learn to count? Straight, white, non-disabled judeo-christians make up an absolute majority of the population in the United States.

~ 74% of the population is white (non-hispanic)
~80% of the population self-identify as Christian or Jewish
~10% of all Americans suffer from a disability
~4% of Americans self-identify as gay or lesbian.

Thus, roughly 51% of the country is straight, white (non-hispanic), non-disabled, and either christian or jewish.

In another decade, though, as the percentage of asians and hispanics increase, then that number will fall.

What's the matter - you afraid a gang of lesbian Chinese buddhist monks is going to come after you?

Holy shit! You need to read more of my posts on here ... seriously ... my sense of humor is not for your critiquing.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Yes.

So you're on board?

What better protest than us denying the government it's pound of flesh?

I am not on board for any Government intrusion. The problem we have has been created by the Government in the first place.

no I meant on board for not paying for insurance and taking the tax hit if it's less expensive for you.

 

[ayiakri]

I am sad to see more of the American dream bashed on the shores of the Obamaborg ... shattered to a million pieces and soon to be washed away like so many other freedoms.

I, on the other hand, am vastly amused at all the wing-nuts losing their heads, and running around screaming, "the sky is falling, they're gonna take our kidneys, OH MY GOD, we might actually HAVE to get health insurance, the INJUSTICE of it all, OMG, it's the END OF AMERICA"

LMAO, no wonder you people lost the last couple of elections, you're a bunch of whining ninnies. You're exactly the same kind of ninnies that cried when Social Security was first enacted a 70 years ago, and when Medicare was done in the 1960s. You act like this is some "marxist plot" to destroy America, instead of an overhaul of an over-priced health-care system that leaves 40 million people without access to preventive medicine.

By all means, keep up the hysterics, it's funny as hell!

 

[cristal]

....with only 1 Republican vote..

A very, very sad day for this country.

We will loose the America founded by our fore fathers.

Instead, we can join the the other Socialist countries and have everyone just suck off the Government.

I am wondering how the fuck is Obama going to pay for all this!

2012, we will vote his ass out of office.

 

[The T]

So you're on board?

What better protest than us denying the government it's pound of flesh?

I am not on board for any Government intrusion. The problem we have has been created by the Government in the first place.

no I meant on board for not paying for insurance and taking the tax hit if it's less expensive for you.

I AM on board have been. You know too that if this is passed into law? That it will be challanged on Constitutional grounds.

I was rather hoping that those in the Congress would realize it. But alas, they are gonna drag this through the courts now and spend more money that we can ill-afford.

 

[The T]

....with only 1 Republican vote..

A very, very sad day for this country.

We will loose the America founded by our fore fathers.

Instead, we can join the the other Socialist countries and have everyone just suck off the Government.

I am wondering how the fuck is Obama going to pay for all this!

2012, we will vote his ass out of office.

True. And those that have tried this are now calling to get away from it. I wonder what makes these American versions of Marxists think that they can do this any better than what has already failed world wide?

Their arrogance precedes them.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I am sad to see more of the American dream bashed on the shores of the Obamaborg ... shattered to a million pieces and soon to be washed away like so many other freedoms.

I, on the other hand, am vastly amused at all the wing-nuts losing their heads, and running around screaming, "the sky is falling, they're gonna take our kidneys, OH MY GOD, we might actually HAVE to get health insurance, the INJUSTICE of it all, OMG, it's the END OF AMERICA"

LMAO, no wonder you people lost the last couple of elections, you're a bunch of whining ninnies. You're exactly the same kind of ninnies that cried when Social Security was first enacted a 70 years ago, and when Medicare was done in the 1960s. You act like this is some "marxist plot" to destroy America, instead of an overhaul of an over-priced health-care system that leaves 40 million people without access to preventive medicine.

By all means, keep up the hysterics, it's funny as hell!

The point you are missing is that the government is forcing us to buy the insurance it chooses. not the insurance we may want.

i know my insurance costs will go up. i have an HSA right now but that will be deemed "unacceptable" by some fucking bureaucrat and i will have to pay for coverage I don't need.

As I said, if my insurance costs rise to well above what the tax penalty will be if I don't buy, then I will pay the penalty and exploit the law that says I can't be denied insurance for preexisting conditions.

So I will only buy insurance when I am sick and that will raise everyone else's premiums.

Too bad so sad but my bottom line is more important to me than yours.

 

[The T]

I am sad to see more of the American dream bashed on the shores of the Obamaborg ... shattered to a million pieces and soon to be washed away like so many other freedoms.

I, on the other hand, am vastly amused at all the wing-nuts losing their heads, and running around screaming, "the sky is falling, they're gonna take our kidneys, OH MY GOD, we might actually HAVE to get health insurance, the INJUSTICE of it all, OMG, it's the END OF AMERICA"

LMAO, no wonder you people lost the last couple of elections, you're a bunch of whining ninnies. You're exactly the same kind of ninnies that cried when Social Security was first enacted a 70 years ago, and when Medicare was done in the 1960s. You act like this is some "marxist plot" to destroy America, instead of an overhaul of an over-priced health-care system that leaves 40 million people without access to preventive medicine.

By all means, keep up the hysterics, it's funny as hell!

The point you are missing is that the government is forcing us to buy the insurance it chooses. not the insurance we may want.

i know my insurance costs will go up. i have an HSA right now but that will be deemed "unacceptable" by some fucking bureaucrat and i will have to pay for coverage I don't need.

As I said, if my insurance costs rise to well above what the tax penalty will be if I don't buy, then I will pay the penalty and exploit the law that says I can't be denied insurance for preexisting conditions.

So I will only buy insurance when I am sick and that will raise everyone else's premiums.

Too bad so sad but my bottom line is more important to me than yours.

Exactly. Loss of another Liberty, period.

 

[The Rabbi]

IF I had one, I MIGHT be. Hell, my brother served in the US Army for 20 years and my father in the US Air Force for 27 years. I am DAMN proud of both of those government employees, you stupid fuck!

Well thank your father and your brother for their service ( sincerely ) BEFORE you mention that you're cheerleading the efforts to destroy the freedoms they've spent their lives defending.

Yeah, because clearly some regulations on the insurance industry and some subsidies is the destruction of freedom. Hyperbole much?

Didn't read and/or understand the bill much?
"The power to tax is the power to destroy" . And government has gotten into it in a big way here. They are taxing businesses and individuals, not for income they made but simply for existing. I doubt that is constitutional.
With any luck and some major work we can get this turd stalled in the Senate.

 

[Care4all]

I am sad to see more of the American dream bashed on the shores of the Obamaborg ... shattered to a million pieces and soon to be washed away like so many other freedoms.

I, on the other hand, am vastly amused at all the wing-nuts losing their heads, and running around screaming, "the sky is falling, they're gonna take our kidneys, OH MY GOD, we might actually HAVE to get health insurance, the INJUSTICE of it all, OMG, it's the END OF AMERICA"

LMAO, no wonder you people lost the last couple of elections, you're a bunch of whining ninnies. You're exactly the same kind of ninnies that cried when Social Security was first enacted a 70 years ago, and when Medicare was done in the 1960s. You act like this is some "marxist plot" to destroy America, instead of an overhaul of an over-priced health-care system that leaves 40 million people without access to preventive medicine.

By all means, keep up the hysterics, it's funny as hell!

The point you are missing is that the government is forcing us to buy the insurance it chooses. not the insurance we may want.

i know my insurance costs will go up. i have an HSA right now but that will be deemed "unacceptable" by some fucking bureaucrat and i will have to pay for coverage I don't need.

As I said, if my insurance costs rise to well above what the tax penalty will be if I don't buy, then I will pay the penalty and exploit the law that says I can't be denied insurance for preexisting conditions.

So I will only buy insurance when I am sick and that will raise everyone else's premiums.

Too bad so sad but my bottom line is more important to me than yours.

Do you have a link to the legislation that deems insurance through buying catastrophic insurance and having an HSA, will be eliminated as a choice, or not considered you covering yourself with insurance?

I agree with you that this would be wrong to exclude these type of plans, but I don;t believe they are eliminating them as "insurance coverage" for you...

care

 

[Care4all]

skull...

were they excluded in massachusetts when they instituted their State Insurance reform/mandatory purchase of insurance?

I see ads on google that say you can buy these policies in massachusetts, catastrophic with HSA's?

 

[Skull Pilot]

I, on the other hand, am vastly amused at all the wing-nuts losing their heads, and running around screaming, "the sky is falling, they're gonna take our kidneys, OH MY GOD, we might actually HAVE to get health insurance, the INJUSTICE of it all, OMG, it's the END OF AMERICA"

LMAO, no wonder you people lost the last couple of elections, you're a bunch of whining ninnies. You're exactly the same kind of ninnies that cried when Social Security was first enacted a 70 years ago, and when Medicare was done in the 1960s. You act like this is some "marxist plot" to destroy America, instead of an overhaul of an over-priced health-care system that leaves 40 million people without access to preventive medicine.

By all means, keep up the hysterics, it's funny as hell!

The point you are missing is that the government is forcing us to buy the insurance it chooses. not the insurance we may want.

i know my insurance costs will go up. i have an HSA right now but that will be deemed "unacceptable" by some fucking bureaucrat and i will have to pay for coverage I don't need.

As I said, if my insurance costs rise to well above what the tax penalty will be if I don't buy, then I will pay the penalty and exploit the law that says I can't be denied insurance for preexisting conditions.

So I will only buy insurance when I am sick and that will raise everyone else's premiums.

Too bad so sad but my bottom line is more important to me than yours.

Do you have a link to the legislation that deems insurance through buying catastrophic insurance and having an HSA, will be eliminated as a choice, or not considered you covering yourself with insurance?

I agree with you that this would be wrong to exclude these type of plans, but I don;t believe they are eliminating them as "insurance coverage" for you...

care

Unfortunately, HSAs (along with their use-it-or-lose-it cousins FSAs) are also under the gun in the house bill released today: HSAs and FSAs will have to shoulder a medicine cabinet tax—meaning that while you used to be able to buy over-the-counter medicines with tax-free account money, you’ll now only be able to use after-tax dollars. The bill raises the additional tax on non-qualified withdrawals from an HSA (raising the tax from 10% to 20%). HSAs will effectively be killed by a final provision, which requires that most plans provide first-dollar coverage for most services.

Health Savings Accounts (HSAs): <br> Best Policy Solution Killed by Obamacare

 

[ayiakri]

Holy shit! You need to read more of my posts on here ... seriously ... my sense of humor is not for your critiquing.

Sure it is - and I'll keep critiquing it when I see fit to.

After all, it's good for my sense of humor to see people posting "examples" from a CBO report, and then pretending to (or possibly stupid enough to actually) believe that the bill mandates that anyone must pay 20% of their salary for insurance. And then they rant against this alleged "requirement", which is just hilarious, since there is no fracking such requirement anywhere in the bill.

The bill says you have to get health insurance. And in most states (if not all states), if you want to drive a car, you already HAVE to get auto-insurance. And yet, the laws mandating that every driver MUST have liability insurance (or face fines and penalties including jail-time) don't seem to have prevented Americans from driving cars.

The fact is that most Americans already have health insurance, and unless they decide to switch to the public option, nothing will change. If somebody is already paying $668 per month for family health-insurance, and they make $80k per year, then they're already paying 10% of their pre-tax income for health-insurance - and after the bill takes effect, they'll still be paying that same premium to the same fracking lovable insurance company, if they choose to.

Please, carry on bemoaning the end of the "American Dream", and it's shattering into pieces, it's funny (well, funny like watching a bunch of monkeys trying terrified of a scarecrow or something, lol)

 

[The T]

Well thank your father and your brother for their service ( sincerely ) BEFORE you mention that you're cheerleading the efforts to destroy the freedoms they've spent their lives defending.

Yeah, because clearly some regulations on the insurance industry and some subsidies is the destruction of freedom. Hyperbole much?

Didn't read and/or understand the bill much?
"The power to tax is the power to destroy" . And government has gotten into it in a big way here. They are taxing businesses and individuals, not for income they made but simply for existing. I doubt that is constitutional.
With any luck and some major work we can get this turd stalled in the Senate.

Precisely. And I hope it does get stuck in the Senate, and dies there.