How much of your paycheck do you want the US to spend on Israeli defense?

[Soggy in NOLA]

I would think respecting the independence of Israel is what people of all religious backgrounds in the country would want.

Now you're a fan of rugged Independence?

Yep... I got it right the first time.

Me not wanting my taxdollars not to go to Israel+me wanting the Israeli government to decide their foreign policy="rugged" independence?

I get it, you wanting Israel to be dependent on the US makes you an open-minded humanitarian and me wanting a tax cut or money spent on US needs makes me a jew-hater.

Makes PERFECT sense.......................

Are you high or something?

Good Lord.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Now you're a fan of rugged Independence?

Yep... I got it right the first time.

Me not wanting my taxdollars not to go to Israel+me wanting the Israeli government to decide their foreign policy="rugged" independence?

I get it, you wanting Israel to be dependent on the US makes you an open-minded humanitarian and me wanting a tax cut or money spent on US needs makes me a jew-hater.

Makes PERFECT sense.......................

Are you high or something?

Good Lord.

Good retort.

This was the appropriate time to wave the white flag though.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Oddly Dr. Dork, in all your ramblings about tax $$ going to support other countries, the only one you ever mention is Israel.

 

[M14 Shooter]

If the Iranian military attacks Israel than by all means they should defend themselves and remove the regime that attacked them.

That's not what I asked you. You brought up the issue of some IDF troopers refusing to obey orders in Israel's current conflicts as an indication that Israel's military prowess might not be all that is magined of it.

I asked you if you think this would be the case if Israel had to fight one of her neighboring states in (another) war she did not start? If so, why?

I didn't look back so I'm not sure if it was u or another poster but one person was advocating for Israel to START a war with Iran. That's 180 degrees different than defending themselves.

It wasn't me. Israel has not, and does not, start wars.

If they were attacked than they most likely wouldn't have as much trouble getting soldiers to follow orders

So you agree that, under the circumstances under discussion, the rate of refusal will likely not have much effect on Israel's military capability.

Thus we're left with Israel having shown her considerable capability in the wars she has fought against her neighbors.

1956, 1967, 1981, 1982 are at least 4 times in which Israel has attacked completely unprovoked

1956: This was part of a multi-natinal conflict, not just Israel, in reaction to Egyptian nationaization of the Suez
1967: Israel actions were in response to an act of war by Egypt after Egyptian Jordanian and Syrian mobilization of forces for war against Israel.
1981: Not sure what you refer to. Airstrikes against PLO artillery sites in Lebanon in reaction to shelling?
1982: Invasion of Lebanon to put an end to incessant PLO rocket and artillery attacks on Israeli cities.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

The US. Government spends a lot of Taxpayer Cash on things i don't agree with. But i see no reason to single Israel out unless you're a Racist Anti-Semite. They spend pennies on Israel when compared to other things they blow Taxpayer Cash on. So why single Israel out? This post stinks of hate & bigotry. How sad.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Me not wanting my taxdollars not to go to Israel+me wanting the Israeli government to decide their foreign policy="rugged" independence?

I get it, you wanting Israel to be dependent on the US makes you an open-minded humanitarian and me wanting a tax cut or money spent on US needs makes me a jew-hater.

Makes PERFECT sense.......................

Are you high or something?

Good Lord.

Good retort.

This was the appropriate time to wave the white flag though.

Dream on. You are a typical, small minded little leftist who's been brainwashed with the whole "if Israel would just go away all would be fine" mindset. It's cowardly and shows a complete lack of understanding of the Middle East, radical Islam in particular. And knock of the "I'm just worried about my tax $$" bullshit too, that dog don't hunt. Grow up.

Now, have a wonderful day!

 

[Dr.Drock]

Are you high or something?

Good Lord.

Good retort.

This was the appropriate time to wave the white flag though.

Dream on. You are a typical, small minded little leftist who's been brainwashed with the whole "if Israel would just go away all would be fine" mindset. It's cowardly and shows a complete lack of understanding of the Middle East, radical Islam in particular. And knock of the "I'm just worried about my tax $$" bullshit too, that dog don't hunt. Grow up.

Now, have a wonderful day!

Now me not wanting us taxpayer dollars to go to Israel=me wanting Israel to just go away.

You have zero clue what liberal or conservative, left or right means if you want americans to be taxed to have the money to spend on foreign country's defense.

 

[Dr.Drock]

The US. Government spends a lot of Taxpayer Cash on things i don't agree with. But i see no reason to single Israel out unless you're a Racist Anti-Semite. They spend pennies on Israel when compared to other things they blow Taxpayer Cash on. So why single Israel out? This post stinks of hate & bigotry. How sad.

This accusation has already been addressed and proven baseless.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...ur-paycheck-do-you-want-in-foreign-hands.html

I've already explained my reasoning, I'll cut and paste again.

"However Israel is the only country I see non-residents show such a silly level of attachment to. I don't get it. People are outspoken about WANTING to be taxed in order to give them money, I don't hear that in regards to the other countries you listed."

 

[Dr.Drock]

Oddly Dr. Dork, in all your ramblings about tax $$ going to support other countries, the only one you ever mention is Israel.

I can only post a link so many times and be ignored. Twice on this very thread i've provided the link to the thread I started long before this one about how I am categorically against ALL foreign aid.

I can't force you to click on it and read it, all I can do is provide the link over and over again.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Message Boards can be alot of fun. You can sniff out the Bigots so easily. Gee what a coincidence,the only spending cut the Socialist/Progressive Dems on this thread want,is funding for Israel. Gee how convenient of them. It's pure Racism. Socialist/Progressive Democrats do not push for spending cuts. So it's easy to sniff out the Leftist bigots. Funny stuff.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Now me not wanting us taxpayer dollars to go to Israel=me wanting Israel to just go away.

So what WOULD you do, if you had the power?

Would you carve up Israel to give a percentage to the Arabs? Would you demand that the wall be torn down so that Arabs could travel freely between Gaza and the West Bank? Would you demand that Israel provide food and water shipments to Gaza?

Seriously, what would your demands be if you could decide the fate of Israel and the Arabs in Palestine?

 

[bodecea]

I think them battering the poor and destitute people of Palestine has given you a false sense of their military prowess. The United States was defeated by Vietnam because the people of Vietnam were willing to fight with their bare hands until none of them were left. You'd see the same thing with regards to pretty much the entire middle east in terms of Israel.

By "normalize" you mean submit, right?

Hopefully you're just young and naive, and not as dumb as this post implies.

We were not defeated in Vietnam numb nuts. Essentially, th anti-war crowd was successful in defunding the war effort which made fighting it fruitless. Tet was a major military defeat for the Commies, but solidified the anti-war base at home.

Oh, and btw... Cronkite was a shitbag. Thanks Walter for the slanted reporting.
Buh bye.

the fact that this nonsense got thanked by rhodescholar should tell you a lot

Indeed

 

[bodecea]

The only points you made were that more money goes to other countries, I said I agree and that it shouldn't. Then I stated why I pointed out Israel specifically (people WANTING to be taxed to pay for their defense, and not the others).

What other things have you said that you would consider "points"? The childish pulling of the race/religion card?

Because when a poster complains about 1 country getting .01% of the d-budget against the massive spending of the other items i mentioned, then it is fair to place a label of unfair targeting on that poster.

If your OP had been broader, like ceasing ALL foreign aid, or all defense dollars defending nations all over the world, THEN you would have protected yourself - but like a jew hating ****, you intentionally didnt.

I don't go by percentages of our budget, our budget is wildly out of control and way too high. Giving them billions in a single year is crazy no matter how bad we're over-spending in other areas.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...ur-paycheck-do-you-want-in-foreign-hands.html

Here's a thread I started quite recently about being against ALL foreign aid.

I accept your soon to come apology and don't worry if you feel stupid, we all make mistakes.

Your breath...do not hold it.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Indeed

Are you disagreeing that Walter Cronkite was a shitbag?

Cronkite was the heir of America's own Joseph Goebbles, Edward Murrow. Together they created a propaganda network that must have made Pravda blush. Cronkite was nothing more than the propaganda minister of the DNC.

That makes him a shitbag in my book.

 

[The T]

Message Boards can be alot of fun. You can sniff out the Bigots so easily. Gee what a coincidence,the only spending cut the Socialist/Progressive Dems on this thread want,is funding for Israel. Gee how convenient of them. It's pure Racism. Socialist/Progressive Democrats do not push for spending cuts. So it's easy to sniff out the Leftist bigots. Funny stuff.

And they mirror Obama in their hatred of Israel. Scary stuff.

 

[bodecea]

Oh boy, a "I hate the jews" thread!!!!!

Israel is a nation...a foreign nation. A nation that should be standing on its own. To say that does not mean that people hate Jews. There are more Jews in the U.S. than there are in Israel so if this was an "I hate Jews" thing, people would talk about hating NYC for example.

So, stop trying to deflect. Not fooling anyone.

Not trying to fool anyone bub. Just saying, whenever you start bitching about foreign aid, ISRAEL is always the first name to roll off your tongue.

Really? You, of course, are prepared to prove that. Will wait for you to pull up my posts/threads doing that very thing.

 

[bodecea]

Oddly Dr. Dork, in all your ramblings about tax $$ going to support other countries, the only one you ever mention is Israel.

I can only post a link so many times and be ignored. Twice on this very thread i've provided the link to the thread I started long before this one about how I am categorically against ALL foreign aid.

I can't force you to click on it and read it, all I can do is provide the link over and over again.

Soggy apparently thinks lying is acceptable.

 

[bodecea]

Indeed

Are you disagreeing that Walter Cronkite was a shitbag?

Cronkite was the heir of America's own Joseph Goebbles, Edward Murrow. Together they created a propaganda network that must have made Pravda blush. Cronkite was nothing more than the propaganda minister of the DNC.

That makes him a shitbag in my book.

Walter Cronkite is by no means a shitbag. He was a very good journalist and unfortunately, we do not see his like today. But, I can see you as the type who if you do not like the message, it makes sense to shoot the messenger.

 

[rhodescholar]

Ideally, nothing.

But instead of asking like a douche why does the US spend $2 billion on Israel, why not question the $3 billion going to Egypt, the $7 billion to Pakistan - or the $500 billion going to oil producer enemies like like Saudi Arabia and Venezuela?

Your numbers are wrong Israel gets over 3 billion a year, Hosni mubarak used to get 1.5 billion a year (to leave Israel alone) Pakistan gets 750 Million
Saudi Arabia and Venezuela get no Aid
U.S. Foreign Aid Summary

Uh, how much does it cost the US to protect SA? To maintain battle carrier groups in the Arabian gulf? And pakistan has received many billions in aid over the past 7 years.

 

[rhodescholar]

If the Iranian military attacks Israel than by all means they should defend themselves and remove the regime that attacked them.

I didn't look back so I'm not sure if it was u or another poster but one person was advocating for Israel to START a war with Iran. That's 180 degrees different than defending themselves.

So can israel attack iran for the actions of hezbollah and hamas, or does israel have to send its fighters over out of uniform as well?

As for your other BS, it is obvious you have an agenda against israel since you started THIS thread ONLY focusing on israel. Who gives a shit what other thread you started?