How do you stop illegal guns, stings and police work, who says? Chicago police...

[Billy_Kinetta]

Unconstitutional.

Not if the USSC says it's not.

It would still be unconstitutional.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Notice how arguments about gun control are not framed in a constitutional setting until practical remedies are floated, then it's the first refuge of scoundrels.

If your "practical remedies" are unconstitutional, then yes, they will be placed into a constitutional setting.

 

[JoeB131]

Funny how when I call for strict mandatory sentencing for gun crimes you dismiss it.

Yeah, because no sentence should be "mandetory". That's why we have judges and juries.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Funny how when I call for strict mandatory sentencing for gun crimes you dismiss it.

Yeah, because no sentence should be "mandetory". That's why we have judges and juries.

Many crimes warrant mandatory sentencing. And the parole system should be done away with.

 

[Muhammed]

If you put every gun manufacturer in the world out of business then people will make their own guns

And then you arrest them when they do it. Put them into a cell with a large black man and a jar of vasoline. Problem solved.

You're a sick racist.

 

[JoeB131]

Many crimes warrant mandatory sentencing. And the parole system should be done away with.

Yes, I know, you pine for the days of burning at the stake, too.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Many crimes warrant mandatory sentencing. And the parole system should be done away with.

Yes, I know, you pine for the days of burning at the stake, too.

No not really. I'm not even a fan of the death penalty although I think it should be used in extreme cases when there is no doubt.

I see nothing wrong with a mandatory 25 year sentence for anyone committing a crime while in possession of a firearm.

 

[2aguy]

You get legislation effectively banning handguns upheld by the USSC. That's how you do it.

Boy...that was a waste of typing.....

We have gone in the opposite direction...and our crime rates have gone down, not up...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

Since guns are sold illegally to felons....you know, the felon knows they can't buy, own or carry guns....background checks don't stop them from getting guns...not even universal background checks.

So how do you catch people selling illegal guns to criminal?......you find a snitch, and use a police sting.

Who says so? The Chicago police....

Chicago Police Know Where Gun Violence Is Coming From, But They Can’t Stop It

Illegal guns get into Chicago through lone dealers, not large trafficking organizations, and that makes any legislative action taken to stop the flow totally impractical, according to Chicago police.

Police researchers say that most illegal guns come from nearby states like Indiana and Iowa after being stolen or resold by their original owners, according to a Tuesday report from the Chicago Sun Times. In this way, the trafficking of firearms is different from the trafficking of illegal substances, which relies heavily on national and even international crime organizations. As a result, the arrest of individual gun dealers does virtually nothing to stop the flow of illegal firearms.

“You are a single salmon swimming upstream at Niagara Falls,” Chicago Police Department spokesman Anthony Guglielmi told the Sun Times. “If your policing strategy is to decrease the number of guns in your city, good luck, because there are too many guns out there. It’s better to go after the person with the gun.”

Police operations to take down these individual gun dealers usually take the form of sting operations and bribing street level offenders for information.

In one case, a police informant convinced a dealer, John Thomas, to broker a gun sale bigger than any he’d sought before. He sold seven guns, all of which were obtained illegally: four handguns, two semi-automatic rifles, and one shotgun. The buyer paid $7,200. “The most money I’ve seen or made,” Thomas said.

According to you, they all should be legal in which case the cops can't do shit unless they catch the culprit in the act of using a gun.

This is yet another example of your stupid posting.

No...dumb shit......you really need to learn to read.....

Every time a moron like you says something as stupid as that....I post the truth.....

We have all the gun laws we need....

If you commit a crime with a gun, you are arrested.

If you are a felon with a gun, which they can't buy, own or carry, legally, you are arrested.

This post shows that the above statements are backed up by the real world.

The problem.....? Morons like you let the violent gun criminals back out in less than 3 years...where they then go on to commit murder....

you are the problem, not us.....

 

[2aguy]

Since guns are sold illegally to felons....you know, the felon knows they can't buy, own or carry guns....background checks don't stop them from getting guns...not even universal background checks.

So how do you catch people selling illegal guns to criminal?......you find a snitch, and use a police sting.

Who says so? The Chicago police....

Chicago Police Know Where Gun Violence Is Coming From, But They Can’t Stop It

Illegal guns get into Chicago through lone dealers, not large trafficking organizations, and that makes any legislative action taken to stop the flow totally impractical, according to Chicago police.

Police researchers say that most illegal guns come from nearby states like Indiana and Iowa after being stolen or resold by their original owners, according to a Tuesday report from the Chicago Sun Times. In this way, the trafficking of firearms is different from the trafficking of illegal substances, which relies heavily on national and even international crime organizations. As a result, the arrest of individual gun dealers does virtually nothing to stop the flow of illegal firearms.

“You are a single salmon swimming upstream at Niagara Falls,” Chicago Police Department spokesman Anthony Guglielmi told the Sun Times. “If your policing strategy is to decrease the number of guns in your city, good luck, because there are too many guns out there. It’s better to go after the person with the gun.”

Police operations to take down these individual gun dealers usually take the form of sting operations and bribing street level offenders for information.

In one case, a police informant convinced a dealer, John Thomas, to broker a gun sale bigger than any he’d sought before. He sold seven guns, all of which were obtained illegally: four handguns, two semi-automatic rifles, and one shotgun. The buyer paid $7,200. “The most money I’ve seen or made,” Thomas said.

The problem is that those "illegal" guns were made by legal manufacturers, so the question is, how are those legal guns becoming illegal guns so easily and in such large quantities?

Because criminals pay for them......they need them to commit crimes. Criminals use straw buyers, they steal, them......just as you saw in the first post....and then they were caught...with snitches and good police work.....

We have all the gun laws we need, as this thread shows.....

Are you this stupid, or do you just pretend to be this stupid when you post?

 

[RealDave]

Since guns are sold illegally to felons....you know, the felon knows they can't buy, own or carry guns....background checks don't stop them from getting guns...not even universal background checks.

So how do you catch people selling illegal guns to criminal?......you find a snitch, and use a police sting.

Who says so? The Chicago police....

Chicago Police Know Where Gun Violence Is Coming From, But They Can’t Stop It

Illegal guns get into Chicago through lone dealers, not large trafficking organizations, and that makes any legislative action taken to stop the flow totally impractical, according to Chicago police.

Police researchers say that most illegal guns come from nearby states like Indiana and Iowa after being stolen or resold by their original owners, according to a Tuesday report from the Chicago Sun Times. In this way, the trafficking of firearms is different from the trafficking of illegal substances, which relies heavily on national and even international crime organizations. As a result, the arrest of individual gun dealers does virtually nothing to stop the flow of illegal firearms.

“You are a single salmon swimming upstream at Niagara Falls,” Chicago Police Department spokesman Anthony Guglielmi told the Sun Times. “If your policing strategy is to decrease the number of guns in your city, good luck, because there are too many guns out there. It’s better to go after the person with the gun.”

Police operations to take down these individual gun dealers usually take the form of sting operations and bribing street level offenders for information.

In one case, a police informant convinced a dealer, John Thomas, to broker a gun sale bigger than any he’d sought before. He sold seven guns, all of which were obtained illegally: four handguns, two semi-automatic rifles, and one shotgun. The buyer paid $7,200. “The most money I’ve seen or made,” Thomas said.

According to you, they all should be legal in which case the cops can't do shit unless they catch the culprit in the act of using a gun.

This is yet another example of your stupid posting.

No...dumb shit......you really need to learn to read.....

Every time a moron like you says something as stupid as that....I post the truth.....

We have all the gun laws we need....

If you commit a crime with a gun, you are arrested.

If you are a felon with a gun, which they can't buy, own or carry, legally, you are arrested.

This post shows that the above statements are backed up by the real world.

The problem.....? Morons like you let the violent gun criminals back out in less than 3 years...where they then go on to commit murder....

you are the problem, not us.....

No, asshole gun nuts like you are the fucking problem. You have a big mouth & nothing in your head to back it up.

Yep, lets make all guns anywhere & any type legal.

That will solve the fucking problem.

You people are dumber than shit & why we got an asshole like Trump as President. My God.

 

[charwin95]

Since guns are sold illegally to felons....you know, the felon knows they can't buy, own or carry guns....background checks don't stop them from getting guns...not even universal background checks.

So how do you catch people selling illegal guns to criminal?......you find a snitch, and use a police sting.

Who says so? The Chicago police....

Chicago Police Know Where Gun Violence Is Coming From, But They Can’t Stop It

Illegal guns get into Chicago through lone dealers, not large trafficking organizations, and that makes any legislative action taken to stop the flow totally impractical, according to Chicago police.

Police researchers say that most illegal guns come from nearby states like Indiana and Iowa after being stolen or resold by their original owners, according to a Tuesday report from the Chicago Sun Times. In this way, the trafficking of firearms is different from the trafficking of illegal substances, which relies heavily on national and even international crime organizations. As a result, the arrest of individual gun dealers does virtually nothing to stop the flow of illegal firearms.

“You are a single salmon swimming upstream at Niagara Falls,” Chicago Police Department spokesman Anthony Guglielmi told the Sun Times. “If your policing strategy is to decrease the number of guns in your city, good luck, because there are too many guns out there. It’s better to go after the person with the gun.”

Police operations to take down these individual gun dealers usually take the form of sting operations and bribing street level offenders for information.

In one case, a police informant convinced a dealer, John Thomas, to broker a gun sale bigger than any he’d sought before. He sold seven guns, all of which were obtained illegally: four handguns, two semi-automatic rifles, and one shotgun. The buyer paid $7,200. “The most money I’ve seen or made,” Thomas said.

Sue the hell these gun manufacturers and held them responsible for their products. Then shut them all down. That is you stop it or shut you up.

 

[Taz]

Since guns are sold illegally to felons....you know, the felon knows they can't buy, own or carry guns....background checks don't stop them from getting guns...not even universal background checks.

So how do you catch people selling illegal guns to criminal?......you find a snitch, and use a police sting.

Who says so? The Chicago police....

Chicago Police Know Where Gun Violence Is Coming From, But They Can’t Stop It

Illegal guns get into Chicago through lone dealers, not large trafficking organizations, and that makes any legislative action taken to stop the flow totally impractical, according to Chicago police.

Police researchers say that most illegal guns come from nearby states like Indiana and Iowa after being stolen or resold by their original owners, according to a Tuesday report from the Chicago Sun Times. In this way, the trafficking of firearms is different from the trafficking of illegal substances, which relies heavily on national and even international crime organizations. As a result, the arrest of individual gun dealers does virtually nothing to stop the flow of illegal firearms.

“You are a single salmon swimming upstream at Niagara Falls,” Chicago Police Department spokesman Anthony Guglielmi told the Sun Times. “If your policing strategy is to decrease the number of guns in your city, good luck, because there are too many guns out there. It’s better to go after the person with the gun.”

Police operations to take down these individual gun dealers usually take the form of sting operations and bribing street level offenders for information.

In one case, a police informant convinced a dealer, John Thomas, to broker a gun sale bigger than any he’d sought before. He sold seven guns, all of which were obtained illegally: four handguns, two semi-automatic rifles, and one shotgun. The buyer paid $7,200. “The most money I’ve seen or made,” Thomas said.

The problem is that those "illegal" guns were made by legal manufacturers, so the question is, how are those legal guns becoming illegal guns so easily and in such large quantities?

Because criminals pay for them......they need them to commit crimes. Criminals use straw buyers, they steal, them......just as you saw in the first post....and then they were caught...with snitches and good police work.....

We have all the gun laws we need, as this thread shows.....

Are you this stupid, or do you just pretend to be this stupid when you post?

I dumb it down just for you. If you think you have enough guns laws, then enjoy the next mass shooting, and the one after that, and the one after that, then Christmas, then the one after that, then...

 

[JoeB131]

No not really. I'm not even a fan of the death penalty although I think it should be used in extreme cases when there is no doubt.

We've put 159 people on Death Row who didn't do what they were accused of.

Innocence: List of Those Freed From Death Row | Death Penalty Information Center

I'm sure that the juries that voted the death penalty in these cases had "no doubt".

 

[Skull Pilot]

No not really. I'm not even a fan of the death penalty although I think it should be used in extreme cases when there is no doubt.

We've put 159 people on Death Row who didn't do what they were accused of.

Innocence: List of Those Freed From Death Row | Death Penalty Information Center

I'm sure that the juries that voted the death penalty in these cases had "no doubt".

If you are sure of that then you do not understand our legal system

The standard is "reasonable doubt"

No doubt and reasonable doubt are two entirely different things

 

[JoeB131]

If you are sure of that then you do not understand our legal system

The standard is "reasonable doubt"

No doubt and reasonable doubt are two entirely different things

Our legal system put at least 159 innocent people on death row for crimes they didn't' commit. Reasonable Doubt usually means, "People of color who can't afford a good lawyer!"

 

[2aguy]

Since guns are sold illegally to felons....you know, the felon knows they can't buy, own or carry guns....background checks don't stop them from getting guns...not even universal background checks.

So how do you catch people selling illegal guns to criminal?......you find a snitch, and use a police sting.

Who says so? The Chicago police....

Chicago Police Know Where Gun Violence Is Coming From, But They Can’t Stop It

Illegal guns get into Chicago through lone dealers, not large trafficking organizations, and that makes any legislative action taken to stop the flow totally impractical, according to Chicago police.

Police researchers say that most illegal guns come from nearby states like Indiana and Iowa after being stolen or resold by their original owners, according to a Tuesday report from the Chicago Sun Times. In this way, the trafficking of firearms is different from the trafficking of illegal substances, which relies heavily on national and even international crime organizations. As a result, the arrest of individual gun dealers does virtually nothing to stop the flow of illegal firearms.

“You are a single salmon swimming upstream at Niagara Falls,” Chicago Police Department spokesman Anthony Guglielmi told the Sun Times. “If your policing strategy is to decrease the number of guns in your city, good luck, because there are too many guns out there. It’s better to go after the person with the gun.”

Police operations to take down these individual gun dealers usually take the form of sting operations and bribing street level offenders for information.

In one case, a police informant convinced a dealer, John Thomas, to broker a gun sale bigger than any he’d sought before. He sold seven guns, all of which were obtained illegally: four handguns, two semi-automatic rifles, and one shotgun. The buyer paid $7,200. “The most money I’ve seen or made,” Thomas said.

The problem is that those "illegal" guns were made by legal manufacturers, so the question is, how are those legal guns becoming illegal guns so easily and in such large quantities?

Because criminals pay for them......they need them to commit crimes. Criminals use straw buyers, they steal, them......just as you saw in the first post....and then they were caught...with snitches and good police work.....

We have all the gun laws we need, as this thread shows.....

Are you this stupid, or do you just pretend to be this stupid when you post?

I dumb it down just for you. If you think you have enough guns laws, then enjoy the next mass shooting, and the one after that, and the one after that, then Christmas, then the one after that, then...

Okay, genius....what gun laws do you want that would stop the next mass shooting? Please...enlighten us.....

 

[2aguy]

Since guns are sold illegally to felons....you know, the felon knows they can't buy, own or carry guns....background checks don't stop them from getting guns...not even universal background checks.

So how do you catch people selling illegal guns to criminal?......you find a snitch, and use a police sting.

Who says so? The Chicago police....

Chicago Police Know Where Gun Violence Is Coming From, But They Can’t Stop It

Illegal guns get into Chicago through lone dealers, not large trafficking organizations, and that makes any legislative action taken to stop the flow totally impractical, according to Chicago police.

Police researchers say that most illegal guns come from nearby states like Indiana and Iowa after being stolen or resold by their original owners, according to a Tuesday report from the Chicago Sun Times. In this way, the trafficking of firearms is different from the trafficking of illegal substances, which relies heavily on national and even international crime organizations. As a result, the arrest of individual gun dealers does virtually nothing to stop the flow of illegal firearms.

“You are a single salmon swimming upstream at Niagara Falls,” Chicago Police Department spokesman Anthony Guglielmi told the Sun Times. “If your policing strategy is to decrease the number of guns in your city, good luck, because there are too many guns out there. It’s better to go after the person with the gun.”

Police operations to take down these individual gun dealers usually take the form of sting operations and bribing street level offenders for information.

In one case, a police informant convinced a dealer, John Thomas, to broker a gun sale bigger than any he’d sought before. He sold seven guns, all of which were obtained illegally: four handguns, two semi-automatic rifles, and one shotgun. The buyer paid $7,200. “The most money I’ve seen or made,” Thomas said.

According to you, they all should be legal in which case the cops can't do shit unless they catch the culprit in the act of using a gun.

This is yet another example of your stupid posting.

No...dumb shit......you really need to learn to read.....

Every time a moron like you says something as stupid as that....I post the truth.....

We have all the gun laws we need....

If you commit a crime with a gun, you are arrested.

If you are a felon with a gun, which they can't buy, own or carry, legally, you are arrested.

This post shows that the above statements are backed up by the real world.

The problem.....? Morons like you let the violent gun criminals back out in less than 3 years...where they then go on to commit murder....

you are the problem, not us.....

No, asshole gun nuts like you are the fucking problem. You have a big mouth & nothing in your head to back it up.

Yep, lets make all guns anywhere & any type legal.

That will solve the fucking problem.

You people are dumber than shit & why we got an asshole like Trump as President. My God.

I haven't shot anyone.....how am I the problem...moron. I actually support long prison sentences for violent gun offenders and felons caught with illegal guns....you asswipes just let them back out over and over again...you are the problem....not me and the other supporters of Self Defense....

 

[2aguy]

Since guns are sold illegally to felons....you know, the felon knows they can't buy, own or carry guns....background checks don't stop them from getting guns...not even universal background checks.

So how do you catch people selling illegal guns to criminal?......you find a snitch, and use a police sting.

Who says so? The Chicago police....

Chicago Police Know Where Gun Violence Is Coming From, But They Can’t Stop It

Illegal guns get into Chicago through lone dealers, not large trafficking organizations, and that makes any legislative action taken to stop the flow totally impractical, according to Chicago police.

Police researchers say that most illegal guns come from nearby states like Indiana and Iowa after being stolen or resold by their original owners, according to a Tuesday report from the Chicago Sun Times. In this way, the trafficking of firearms is different from the trafficking of illegal substances, which relies heavily on national and even international crime organizations. As a result, the arrest of individual gun dealers does virtually nothing to stop the flow of illegal firearms.

“You are a single salmon swimming upstream at Niagara Falls,” Chicago Police Department spokesman Anthony Guglielmi told the Sun Times. “If your policing strategy is to decrease the number of guns in your city, good luck, because there are too many guns out there. It’s better to go after the person with the gun.”

Police operations to take down these individual gun dealers usually take the form of sting operations and bribing street level offenders for information.

In one case, a police informant convinced a dealer, John Thomas, to broker a gun sale bigger than any he’d sought before. He sold seven guns, all of which were obtained illegally: four handguns, two semi-automatic rifles, and one shotgun. The buyer paid $7,200. “The most money I’ve seen or made,” Thomas said.

The problem is that those "illegal" guns were made by legal manufacturers, so the question is, how are those legal guns becoming illegal guns so easily and in such large quantities?

Because criminals pay for them......they need them to commit crimes. Criminals use straw buyers, they steal, them......just as you saw in the first post....and then they were caught...with snitches and good police work.....

We have all the gun laws we need, as this thread shows.....

Are you this stupid, or do you just pretend to be this stupid when you post?

I dumb it down just for you. If you think you have enough guns laws, then enjoy the next mass shooting, and the one after that, and the one after that, then Christmas, then the one after that, then...

Well.....you sure did make it dumb.....that is one of the really dumb posts on the topic...thanks....you stated your goal to make a dumb post...and you did.....good for you.

 

[Taz]

Since guns are sold illegally to felons....you know, the felon knows they can't buy, own or carry guns....background checks don't stop them from getting guns...not even universal background checks.

So how do you catch people selling illegal guns to criminal?......you find a snitch, and use a police sting.

Who says so? The Chicago police....

Chicago Police Know Where Gun Violence Is Coming From, But They Can’t Stop It

Illegal guns get into Chicago through lone dealers, not large trafficking organizations, and that makes any legislative action taken to stop the flow totally impractical, according to Chicago police.

Police researchers say that most illegal guns come from nearby states like Indiana and Iowa after being stolen or resold by their original owners, according to a Tuesday report from the Chicago Sun Times. In this way, the trafficking of firearms is different from the trafficking of illegal substances, which relies heavily on national and even international crime organizations. As a result, the arrest of individual gun dealers does virtually nothing to stop the flow of illegal firearms.

“You are a single salmon swimming upstream at Niagara Falls,” Chicago Police Department spokesman Anthony Guglielmi told the Sun Times. “If your policing strategy is to decrease the number of guns in your city, good luck, because there are too many guns out there. It’s better to go after the person with the gun.”

Police operations to take down these individual gun dealers usually take the form of sting operations and bribing street level offenders for information.

In one case, a police informant convinced a dealer, John Thomas, to broker a gun sale bigger than any he’d sought before. He sold seven guns, all of which were obtained illegally: four handguns, two semi-automatic rifles, and one shotgun. The buyer paid $7,200. “The most money I’ve seen or made,” Thomas said.

The problem is that those "illegal" guns were made by legal manufacturers, so the question is, how are those legal guns becoming illegal guns so easily and in such large quantities?

Because criminals pay for them......they need them to commit crimes. Criminals use straw buyers, they steal, them......just as you saw in the first post....and then they were caught...with snitches and good police work.....

We have all the gun laws we need, as this thread shows.....

Are you this stupid, or do you just pretend to be this stupid when you post?

I dumb it down just for you. If you think you have enough guns laws, then enjoy the next mass shooting, and the one after that, and the one after that, then Christmas, then the one after that, then...

Okay, genius....what gun laws do you want that would stop the next mass shooting? Please...enlighten us.....

Just copy those countries who don't have mass shootings on a regular basis. There are plenty.

But mainly, people like you would have to chill out over the guns. Every time someone waves the 2nd Amendment you all go into a frenzy. Like, who fucking cares if you can't buy assault weapons, especially if we can curb all these mass shootings, like a civilized society would at least try to do? You need a handgun to protect you and yours and a hunting rifle, if you hunt. Not 600 fucking different kinds...