How do we stop "the poor" from being so problematic?

[sealybobo]

All I know is I judge a country for how well it’s citizens are doing. Can you afford healthcare? Are you gonna retire at 65? I bet your not.

In fact republicans talk about raising the retirement and cutting retirement benefits. Is that doing as good as our parents or worse?

I can indeed afford healthcare. And plan on retiring at 58. That isnt a sure thing...more of a goal. But its looking good so far.

How are you going to afford healthcare from 58-67?

 

[regent]

Worthless cull. You mean "ignore".You can't even get that right. Your brain just doesn't work the way it should. Thank your commie masters for that.

Moron.

I'd much rather have mere poverty of the body rather than suffer your kind of poverty of the mind and spirit. I feel sorry for you.

You are lazy and mentally ill and should be put away. As should all people who refuse to support themselves.

Pretty much biblical, too.

Thessalonians chapter 3:10

I believe that as a community, we are charged with providing for the mentally ill, non working culls.
But I also believe that a person who is unable to provide for himself and is dependent upon others is subject to the care he receives. I.e., if you can't care for yourself, you don't get to live in a nice apartment and be issued a check each month to buy dope and food. If you aren't able to support yourself, you obviously have issues and therefore should not be considered a fit person to VOTE.

If I am going to support you, then I am going to put you in a locked facility, where you will be protected from the elements and from predation by other criminals who refuse to work to support themselves. You will be provided with the food I deem sufficient to maintain life in your body, and you will not be allowed to vote because you are obviously not all there.

Our ancestors chased worthless culls out into the wilderness if they refused to support themselves and their families..or alternately imprisoned them... and they dispersed their pathetic offspring among them, to be raised as best they could in the community. Those children grew into functioning, literate and self sufficient members of society. That is how you break the cycle of mental illness and depravity. Not by giving them 40 acres and a mule.

Or....this result:

From Peter Ferrara, “America’s Ticking Bankruptcy Bomb,” chapter five.

1. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Such should be the epitaph of Liberalism.
2. ‘Welfare’ as a wholly owned subsidiary of the government, and its main result is the incentivizing of a disrespect for oneself, and for the entity that provides the welfare. As more folks in a poor neighborhood languish with little or no work, entire local culture begins to change: daily work is no longer the expected social norm. Extended periods of hanging around the neighborhood, neither working nor going to school becoming more and more socially acceptable.
   1. Since productive activity not making any economic sense because of the work disincentives of the welfare plantation, other kinds of activities proliferate: drug and alcohol abuse, crime, recreational sex, illegitimacy, and family breakup are the new social norms, as does the culture of violence.

So it sounds like a positive move when FDR required work to survive during the Great Depression?

 

[Rambunctious]

The way to help the poor to not be a problem is to create less of them...that is what Trump is doing as we speak...

 

[Rambunctious]

How are you going to afford healthcare from 58-67?

With an improving economy and a increasing job market.....sure couldn't say that two years ago....

 

[DOTR]

I'm ok with greed. I'll be ok with an every man for himself society. So lets try it your way and see.

And if the poor don't like the tax system they can show up and vote to have it changed. Since they don't vote we get to try it your way. I'm not bashing you guys. You won the election. Lets do it your way.

As to your second yes the rich are usually the ones who think socialism is the coolest thing. A long time ago rich socialists decided Marx was right and the tax code should be progressive. They still think such. Rich people can avoid taxes in general. Especially income taxes. Income taxes hurt the little guy working 80 hour weeks to try to catch the rich guy...who lives on passive income.

Every man for himself is NOT good. But, and this is important, a free market is a way to harness greed for the greater good.

I dont speak for brokeloser but I suspect he would agree that though we won the election we elected nobody who will eliminate handouts. Donald Trump is great but he isnt the man to end handouts and let Americans soar. That is the Marxist caricature. Not reality.

And let me ask this. For all the bleeding heart crying here about the poor and the oppressed...why do I NEVER see any discussion here of Cooperation or subsidiary? Zero. And I have looked for it. There are no advocates of cooperation, mutalism, subsidiarity or distributionism among these people who love being generous with money they didnt earn.
Only soul killing socialists.

 

[DOTR]

How are you going to afford healthcare from 58-67?

hadnt considered it. I thought Obamacare fixed that

 

[sealybobo]

How are you going to afford healthcare from 58-67?

With an improving economy and a increasing job market.....sure couldn't say that two years ago....

Sure you could. In fact I got my big fat raise last year because of my 2016 sales. So I know you are full of shit personally.

 

[regent]

The way to help the poor to not be a problem is to create less of them...that is what Trump is doing as we speak...

My cousin Fred is missing and he was poor. You don't suppose Trump got him? His wife equally poor is now afraid to leave the house.

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

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Only the right wing is that dumb.

Simply financing tax cuts and adding them to the national debt, is socialized Income Redistribution.

Only the right wing, never gets it.

The tax cuts aren't the wealth redistribution. The part where the government is spending more than it is taking in taxes, that's the wealth redistribution. Right wingers don't want the government to give us the future's money. We want them to stop taking our money AND to bang back with the spending, only the second part of that equation can't happen because politicians don't have the balls to reel in the handouts to their friends or the handouts to their voting bases.

It isn't Your money; it is money that is not going to fund Government.

If it's wealth that I earned or created, it is, in fact, my money. I don't buy into the notion that all wealth belongs to "the people". "The people" don't create it. Particular individuals do. If the government doesn't have the funds, maybe they should stop buying votes with the wealth of the unborn. At any rate, it's a greater priority to me that they don't do it with mine, so I'll take the tax cuts. If the assholes in Washington decide to keep spending anyway, the theft of the future is on their heads, not on my head for not funding their stupidity.

means nothing. Congress has the power and obligation to pay the debts. Deficit spending is merely income redistribution to the extent it gets added to the debt. It is not, Your money. It is money owed to fund government.

To the extent that it gets added to the debt is the only extent to which I mean to imply that deficit spending redistributes the wealth of the future into the pockets and benefits of people now, so on that we appear to agree.

It's still my money, though. Perhaps not according to your interpretation of causation and obligation, but according to mine. Also, legally. By that last standard, it's only money owed to the government if and when they decide to tax me for it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What opportunities are poor people deprived of?

You should spend a year in poverty and find out.

That isn't an answer.

Its the best answer in the world.

No, it isn't. What opportunities, specifically, are poor people deprived of?

This conversation is going nowhere. You obviously don't want to think. You live by stereotype. You need to get out in the real world with open eyes. Go ask a poor person. Tell you what. Give away everything you have, go live in a box under a bridge, then go to the church, go to the food bank, go to the government and see what help you get. See what food you can afford to eat isn't what you are used to, see what medical assistance you can get isn't what you get now. See what housing you live in if you can get any at all. See the people you are put in with, the way people's attitudes change about you, the care you can take of yourself, loss of sleep from worry, chronic severe depression, see what clothes you can wear, see what kind of car you drive that you cannot maintain, see the attitudes of employers, see what loss of dignity does to your self-image, go through government training programs that go nowhere, take forever and teach nothing, live among the poor and uneducated in crowded, dirty, crime-ridden neighborhoods the police don't even go to, then ask again what opportunities the poor do not have. You fuckin make me sick with your arrogant dismissal of reality. How easy and simple it is to label the unfortunate as all just being lazy. Go work at a soup kitchen or food bank, talk to these people and get to know them. Maybe then you'll have the answer to your own question rather than sit in your pretty chair and warm house expecting me to hand it to you on a silver platter.

Here is the problem with all that: some are in need while others are just using the system.

Until we can separate the truly needy from those playing the system, we will always have this dichotomy when it comes to trying to solve poverty. Why? Because the Democrats lump everybody together.

What kind of food do they eat? Come to my grocery store and see for yourself. You will only wish you could afford what they buy. More than that is now cash registers separate the food stamp items from the non-food stamp items. Not too long ago you had to make two separate purchases.

So when the 300 lbs woman with four kids is done loading up the conveyer belt, she whips out the food stamps for her food stamp items, and then a wad of cash for the beer, wine, cat litter, huge bags of dog food, greeting cards, cigarettes, flowers, perfume and so on.

What kind of vehicles do they drive? I've seen them leave the store as my purchases for the few items I have doesn't tie me up very long. I've seen them load their groceries in later model SUV's, minivans and luxury cars.

Where do they live? Right next door to me. That's right, while I have to get up at 5:00 am for work everyday to live in the suburbs, my HUD neighbors are living here too, and we taxpayers are paying for it.

Look..........if I have to provide housing to people, let them live over there--and not over here. Here we wake up early to go to work and can't afford the sleep loss because these lowlifes are coming home at 2:00am in the work week, drunk as a skunk, and laughing their asses off out loud underneath my bedroom window in the summer. I mean........if I have to work to support you, I don't expect any "thank you" but at the very least, can't these people allow me to sleep so I can go to work and support them???

 

[koshergrl]

The way to help the poor to not be a problem is to create less of them...that is what Trump is doing as we speak...

My cousin Fred is missing and he was poor. You don't suppose Trump got him? His wife equally poor is now afraid to leave the house.

Good.

 

[koshergrl]

You should spend a year in poverty and find out.

That isn't an answer.

Its the best answer in the world.

No, it isn't. What opportunities, specifically, are poor people deprived of?

This conversation is going nowhere. You obviously don't want to think. You live by stereotype. You need to get out in the real world with open eyes. Go ask a poor person. Tell you what. Give away everything you have, go live in a box under a bridge, then go to the church, go to the food bank, go to the government and see what help you get. See what food you can afford to eat isn't what you are used to, see what medical assistance you can get isn't what you get now. See what housing you live in if you can get any at all. See the people you are put in with, the way people's attitudes change about you, the care you can take of yourself, loss of sleep from worry, chronic severe depression, see what clothes you can wear, see what kind of car you drive that you cannot maintain, see the attitudes of employers, see what loss of dignity does to your self-image, go through government training programs that go nowhere, take forever and teach nothing, live among the poor and uneducated in crowded, dirty, crime-ridden neighborhoods the police don't even go to, then ask again what opportunities the poor do not have. You fuckin make me sick with your arrogant dismissal of reality. How easy and simple it is to label the unfortunate as all just being lazy. Go work at a soup kitchen or food bank, talk to these people and get to know them. Maybe then you'll have the answer to your own question rather than sit in your pretty chair and warm house expecting me to hand it to you on a silver platter.

Here is the problem with all that: some are in need while others are just using the system.

Until we can separate the truly needy from those playing the system, we will always have this dichotomy when it comes to trying to solve poverty. Why? Because the Democrats lump everybody together.

What kind of food do they eat? Come to my grocery store and see for yourself. You will only wish you could afford what they buy. More than that is now cash registers separate the food stamp items from the non-food stamp items. Not too long ago you had to make two separate purchases.

So when the 300 lbs woman with four kids is done loading up the conveyer belt, she whips out the food stamps for her food stamp items, and then a wad of cash for the beer, wine, cat litter, huge bags of dog food, greeting cards, cigarettes, flowers, perfume and so on.

What kind of vehicles do they drive? I've seen them leave the store as my purchases for the few items I have doesn't tie me up very long. I've seen them load their groceries in later model SUV's, minivans and luxury cars.

Where do they live? Right next door to me. That's right, while I have to get up at 5:00 am for work everyday to live in the suburbs, my HUD neighbors are living here too, and we taxpayers are paying for it.

Look..........if I have to provide housing to people, let them live over there--and not over here. Here we wake up early to go to work and can't afford the sleep loss because these lowlifes are coming home at 2:00am in the work week, drunk as a skunk, and laughing their asses off out loud underneath my bedroom window in the summer. I mean........if I have to work to support you, I don't expect any "thank you" but at the very least, can't these people allow me to sleep so I can go to work and support them???

They have a better standard of living than we do.

 

[Unkotare]

How are you going to afford healthcare from 58-67?

With an improving economy and a increasing job market.....sure couldn't say that two years ago....

Sure you could. In fact I got my big fat raise last year because of my 2016 sales. ......

 

[Unkotare]

How are you going to afford healthcare from 58-67?

With an improving economy and a increasing job market.....sure couldn't say that two years ago....

Sure you could. In fact I got my big fat raise last year because of my 2016 sales. ......

Just kidding. That couldn't be you because he isn't all alone.

 

[DOTR]

I once watched a pair load an ice chest using food stamps and lug it to the ski boat they were headed out in.

 

[sealybobo]

How are you going to afford healthcare from 58-67?

With an improving economy and a increasing job market.....sure couldn't say that two years ago....

Sure you could. In fact I got my big fat raise last year because of my 2016 sales. ......

My three least favorite posters all in on spot. Kosherpuke being the third

 

[sealybobo]

How are you going to afford healthcare from 58-67?

With an improving economy and a increasing job market.....sure couldn't say that two years ago....

Sure you could. In fact I got my big fat raise last year because of my 2016 sales. ......

You remind me of that guy who had 13 kids locked up in chains and starving

 

[Unkotare]

How are you going to afford healthcare from 58-67?

With an improving economy and a increasing job market.....sure couldn't say that two years ago....

Sure you could. In fact I got my big fat raise last year because of my 2016 sales. ......

You remind me of that guy who had 13 kids locked up in chains and starving

You remind me of that guy sitting all alone all the time talking at the TV about all the "tight" women that are such a mystery to his lonely ass.

 

[danielpalos]

Only the right wing is that dumb.

Simply financing tax cuts and adding them to the national debt, is socialized Income Redistribution.

Only the right wing, never gets it.

The tax cuts aren't the wealth redistribution. The part where the government is spending more than it is taking in taxes, that's the wealth redistribution. Right wingers don't want the government to give us the future's money. We want them to stop taking our money AND to bang back with the spending, only the second part of that equation can't happen because politicians don't have the balls to reel in the handouts to their friends or the handouts to their voting bases.

It isn't Your money; it is money that is not going to fund Government.

If it's wealth that I earned or created, it is, in fact, my money. I don't buy into the notion that all wealth belongs to "the people". "The people" don't create it. Particular individuals do. If the government doesn't have the funds, maybe they should stop buying votes with the wealth of the unborn. At any rate, it's a greater priority to me that they don't do it with mine, so I'll take the tax cuts. If the assholes in Washington decide to keep spending anyway, the theft of the future is on their heads, not on my head for not funding their stupidity.

means nothing. Congress has the power and obligation to pay the debts. Deficit spending is merely income redistribution to the extent it gets added to the debt. It is not, Your money. It is money owed to fund government.

To the extent that it gets added to the debt is the only extent to which I mean to imply that deficit spending redistributes the wealth of the future into the pockets and benefits of people now, so on that we appear to agree.

It's still my money, though. Perhaps not according to your interpretation of causation and obligation, but according to mine. Also, legally. By that last standard, it's only money owed to the government if and when they decide to tax me for it.

the right wing is all talk.

 

[P@triot]

the right wing is all talk.

The left-wing is all ignorance.