How are you helping the less fortunate this holiday season?

[Votto]

I usually help them by berating them and telling them to get a job

Why? Most seem to make a better living not working.

 

[Vastator]

They are not the “less fortunate”. It wasn’t bad luck that put them there. It was piss poor decisions on their part. Calling them “less fortunate” implies that I only got lucky. I worked hard to get where I am.

And so to hell with those who have made poor decisions?

Guess what, I've made poor decisions as we all have. By the grace of God I'm still blessed.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating forcing you to give, like left wingers who want to incorporate the church and state together do, I'm merely trying to make you think.

There are those who feel the need to give, I say go make yourself happy, if that’s what does it for you.

All I’m saying is that post is offensive to me. I did not get where I am by just being fortunate.

We have to battle this kind of nonsense whenever we see it. The left controls the language. This is straight out of their playbook. We cannot let it slide.

Really? Good health is not good fortune?

Having the ability and smarts to make good money is not good fortune?

Having loving people around you to give it a token of meaning is not good fortune?

Do tell.

All of these things you have cited are more often than not directly related to decision making...

 

[ChrisL]

They are not the “less fortunate”. It wasn’t bad luck that put them there. It was piss poor decisions on their part. Calling them “less fortunate” implies that I only got lucky. I worked hard to get where I am.

And so to hell with those who have made poor decisions?

Guess what, I've made poor decisions as we all have. By the grace of God I'm still blessed.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating forcing you to give, like left wingers who want to incorporate the church and state together do, I'm merely trying to make you think.

There are those who feel the need to give, I say go make yourself happy, if that’s what does it for you.

All I’m saying is that post is offensive to me. I did not get where I am by just being fortunate.

We have to battle this kind of nonsense whenever we see it. The left controls the language. This is straight out of their playbook. We cannot let it slide.

Really? Good health is not good fortune?

Having the ability and smarts to make good money is not good fortune?

Having loving people around you to give it a token of meaning is not good fortune?

Do tell.

All of these things you have cited are more often than not directly related to decision making...

And so what? Everyone makes bad or wrong decisions. Unfortunately, some of them have more consequences than others.

 

[ChrisL]

Don't try to pretend as if you are perfect and have never made mistakes or never will. That is just a fucking annoying personality trait.

 

[ChrisL]

Just because a person (yes a person - who is FLAWED) makes a bad decision doesn't mean they don't deserve to be helped out if they are going through a rough time. People make bad decisions every single day. Yes, some of us are just LUCKY that things worked out in our favor.

 

[strollingbones]

and back to the topic

a sagey old jewish friend once told me......why give gifts that arent charitable donation and therefore tax write offs....i donated to the dolly wood foundation after the fire, food banks and habitat for humanity this year...and disabled vets and salvation army plus the olders folks have too much shit as it is and are trying to give it away so the donations in their honor make more sense

 

[Votto]

They are not the “less fortunate”. It wasn’t bad luck that put them there. It was piss poor decisions on their part. Calling them “less fortunate” implies that I only got lucky. I worked hard to get where I am.

And so to hell with those who have made poor decisions?

Guess what, I've made poor decisions as we all have. By the grace of God I'm still blessed.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating forcing you to give, like left wingers who want to incorporate the church and state together do, I'm merely trying to make you think.

There are those who feel the need to give, I say go make yourself happy, if that’s what does it for you.

All I’m saying is that post is offensive to me. I did not get where I am by just being fortunate.

We have to battle this kind of nonsense whenever we see it. The left controls the language. This is straight out of their playbook. We cannot let it slide.

Really? Good health is not good fortune?

Having the ability and smarts to make good money is not good fortune?

Having loving people around you to give it a token of meaning is not good fortune?

Do tell.

All of these things you have cited are more often than not directly related to decision making...

More often than not? Then you concede that "bad luck" is not always based upon your bad decisions, right?

 

[strollingbones]

damn straight all those wee ones in st judes.....they fucked up thanks for the heads up on that one....

sorry chrisl i tried to be on topic

 

[ChrisL]

and back to the topic

a sagey old jewish friend once told me......why give gifts that arent charitable donation and therefore tax write offs....i donated to the dolly wood foundation after the fire, food banks and habitat for humanity this year...and disabled vets and salvation army plus the olders folks have too much shit as it is and are trying to give it away so the donations in their honor make more sense

I don't have a whole lot of money to give, although I did donate a few dollars to veterans and the Red Cross. I am certainly far from being rich. If only all the rich people who are always lecturing us would give more to charitable donations and not just worry about tax write offs but were legitimately concerned about the horrible existence some people (and animals) suffer through.

 

[rightwinger]

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day
Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

I usually hand out this book...they appreciate it

 

[Votto]

and back to the topic

a sagey old jewish friend once told me......why give gifts that arent charitable donation and therefore tax write offs....i donated to the dolly wood foundation after the fire, food banks and habitat for humanity this year...and disabled vets and salvation army plus the olders folks have too much shit as it is and are trying to give it away so the donations in their honor make more sense

I don't have a whole lot of money to give, although I did donate a few dollars to veterans and the Red Cross. I am certainly far from being rich. If only all the rich people who are always lecturing us would give more to charitable donations and not just worry about tax write offs but were legitimately concerned about the horrible existence some people (and animals) suffer through.

Giving your time is just as good.

 

[Vastator]

Don't try to pretend as if you are perfect and have never made mistakes or never will. That is just a fucking annoying personality trait.

I never made such a claim. But what's more useful to a person long term? Helping nullify the consequence of a bad decision? Or equipping them to avoid making bad decisions on the future?

 

[Votto]

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day
Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

I usually hand out this book...they appreciate it

I realize that your party feeds off the poor. The more poor people there are the more who will listen to demagogues talk about taking from the rich to feed the poor via government.

Just understand that not everyone wants to wind up like Venezuela, where everyone is now poor.

Inexplicably, they all seem to still want socialism.

 

[WillowTree]

I didn't start this thread so that you can trash the less fortunate. I'm asking what you are doing to help those less fortunate than you. How you THINK they got there is rather irrelevant.

I pay taxes!

 

[strollingbones]

did you miss the part chrisL where this is in leiu of giving other people gifts? i am not rich but i have roof over my head and enough to eat...i can make my bills most months and when i have a bit extra i dont mind giving it...and i think giving time is just as valueable if not more than money....

 

[Votto]

I didn't start this thread so that you can trash the less fortunate. I'm asking what you are doing to help those less fortunate than you. How you THINK they got there is rather irrelevant.

I pay taxes!

Right, so your job is done then.

Well done. This is how left wingers approach helping the poor.

On a positive note, you at least pay your taxes, which is more than can be said for most in government who demagogue about sending them more money to send to the poor.

 

[Vastator]

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day
Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

I usually hand out this book...they appreciate it

did you miss the part chrisL where this is in leiu of giving other people gifts? i am not rich but i have roof over my head and enough to eat...i can make my bills most months and when i have a bit extra i dont mind giving it...and i think giving time is just as valueable if not more than money....

Well said. Moreover; I don't reserve my generosity, and aid to a specific time of year.

 

[ChrisL]

I didn't start this thread so that you can trash the less fortunate. I'm asking what you are doing to help those less fortunate than you. How you THINK they got there is rather irrelevant.

I pay taxes!

So do I, and I'm actually glad that at least SOME of my tax money (even if it is a very small portion) goes to help out those who are suffering or can't afford to live in this cold hard world.

 

[fncceo]

I’m helping myself ... to their presents.

 

[ChrisL]

I think helping out my less fortunate fellow Americans is an excellent use of my tax dollars and I don't object to it at all. I only agree with you in the sense that our government is full of corruption and waste and fraud and lies. I don't think they allocate or use tax monies as well or as as appropriately as they could.