How American Became A Monarchy....

[Moonglow]

I never heard grandpa Koch complain when he wanted ties with the USSR so he could frack the oil fields for Stalin..

 

[PoliticalChic]

I never heard grandpa Koch complain when he wanted ties with the USSR so he could frack the oil fields for Stalin..

Sooo.....an attempt by the well-known gum-flapping fool to change the topic???

So sorry....no can do.

 

[Moonglow]

I never heard grandpa Koch complain when he wanted ties with the USSR so he could frack the oil fields for Stalin..

Sooo.....an attempt by the well-known gum-flapping fool to change the topic???

So sorry....no can do.

You are the one that brought up recognition of the USSR during FDR, to gain admission for US companies to trade with...Not I...Are you a little groggy from all the cut-n-paste jobs??

 

[PoliticalChic]

I never heard grandpa Koch complain when he wanted ties with the USSR so he could frack the oil fields for Stalin..

Sooo.....an attempt by the well-known gum-flapping fool to change the topic???

So sorry....no can do.

You are the one that brought up recognition of the USSR during FDR, to gain admission for US companies to trade with...Not I...Are you a little groggy from all the cut-n-paste jobs??

Here's what I 'brought up,' gum-flapper:

The American miracle is based on an understanding that dictatorships, monarchies, are based on a centralization of power.

The anodyne to this is the separation of powers in the design of the Constitution.


"In a despotic government there can be no check to the power of the prince, no limitations to safeguard the individual—the idea of the separation of powers in any form is foreign to despotic governments.

When the legislative and executive powers are united in the same person, or in the same body of magistrates, there can be no liberty. . . .

Again, there is no liberty, if the judiciary power be not separated from the legislative and executive. Were it joined with the legislative, the life and liberty of the subject would be exposed to arbitrary control; for the judge would then be the legislator. Were it joined to the executive power, the judge might behave with violence and oppression. There would be an end to everything, were the same man, or the same body, whether of the nobles or of the people, to exercise those three powers, that of enacting laws, that of executing the public resolutions, and of trying the causes of individuals." Montesquieu and the Separation of Powers - Online Library of Liberty


"....the idea of the separation of powers in any form is foreign to despotic governments."


One would imagine that even you should be able to understand the significance of this concept, and a man who obviated this.

 

[HenryBHough]

It was only because Rooseveldt died that America was able to win World War II.

 

[PoliticalChic]

It was only because Rooseveldt died that America was able to win World War II.

I differ with that view: although he refused to honor his promise to help defeat Japan, Stalin would have continued to 'guide' America's military, as he did during the war, using American troops to end any chance Japan would stand in the way of his control in the Far East.

He led FDR by the nose, and certainly wished to see Japan defeated.


BTW....have you read "Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History," by Leona Schecter and Jerrold Schecter?

" Amongst the myriad twists and turns and subplots of World War II was the amazing efficiency with which Soviet agents in the U.S., Japan, and elsewhere around the globe coordinated to steer the imperial Japanese government away from an attack on the Soviet Union – a multi-year effort that resulted in the attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941.....


...Richard Sorge was arrested in Tokyo in 1941 by the Japanese police, he had just informed Soviet dictator Josef Stalin that Japan was planning to attack Pearl Harbor. Thus was the culmination of a years-long operation directed by the Soviet Union wherein the ultimate weapon was influence(there's that word again).


The Sorge spy ring achieved success in steering Japan away from its previously considered plan to attack the Soviet Union, and instead to turn its fire on another target which turned out to be the United States."
The role of Soviet agents in the Pearl Harbor attack

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

I read somewhere a long time ago that some of Washington's officers wanted to make him King, but he refused.

 

[Dot Com]

....and why Democrats celebrate that devolution.

1. Under discussion was the Virginia Plan..
"On May 29, 1787, Virginia delegate Edmund Randolph proposed what became known as "The Virginia Plan." Written primarily by fellow Virginian James Madison, the plan traced the broad outlines of what would become the U.S. Constitution: a national government consisting of three branches with checks and balances to prevent the abuse of power. In its amended form, this page of Madison's plan shows his ideas for a legislature. It describes 2 houses: one with members elected by the people for 3-year terms and the other composed of older leaders elected by the state legislatures for 7-year terms. Both would use population as a basis for dividing seats among the states."
Our Documents - Virginia Plan (1787)

On this, Madisonians were adamant: America could not have a king.


2. Alexander Hamilton rose to give a six-hour lecture to the assembled in Philadelphia championing a view that left the assembly aghast!

".... my own ideas are so materially dissimilar to the plans now before the committee. ... no amendment of the confederation can answer the purpose of a good government, so long as state sovereignties do, in any shape, exist; .... I believe the British government forms the best model the world ever produced,.... you cannot have a good executive upon a democratic plan. See the excellency of the British executive. He is placed above temptation. He can have no distinct interests from the public welfare. Nothing short of such an executive can be efficient. an executive is less dangerous to the liberties of the people when in office during life, than for seven years. It may be said, this constitutes an elective monarchy..."
http://founders.archives.gov/documents/Hamilton/01-04-02-0098-0004

a. "In a testament to their belief that men are able to govern themselves, that Congress should be the strongest branch of government , that a government of limited powers provides the best protection of individual liberty, the delegates were so dismissive of Hamilton's proposal that they declined even to debate it."
Mike Lee, 'Our Lost Constitution," p. 58




3. This lesson from history frames the question to be asked by all Americans today. The answer should dictate one's views of contemporary history.

Think it over:
An 'elected monarch' or a limited constitutional government?
Which do you choose for America??



There are, in fact, millions who favor Hamilton's view. They are Liberals, Democrats, Fascists, Communists, Progressives, Socialists and Nazis.
They are not Americans.



But....under the 'perfect storm' of economic upheaval....all of that changed: Hamilton would have been filled with glee!

Coming right up.

NEWSFLASH PoliSpice!!! MURICA is a plutocracy you dummy

 

[regent]

It was only because Rooseveldt died that America was able to win World War II.

I differ with that view: although he refused to honor his promise to help defeat Japan, Stalin would have continued to 'guide' America's military, as he did during the war, using American troops to end any chance Japan would stand in the way of his control in the Far East.

He led FDR by the nose, and certainly wished to see Japan defeated.


BTW....have you read "Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History," by Leona Schecter and Jerrold Schecter?

" Amongst the myriad twists and turns and subplots of World War II was the amazing efficiency with which Soviet agents in the U.S., Japan, and elsewhere around the globe coordinated to steer the imperial Japanese government away from an attack on the Soviet Union – a multi-year effort that resulted in the attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941.....


...Richard Sorge was arrested in Tokyo in 1941 by the Japanese police, he had just informed Soviet dictator Josef Stalin that Japan was planning to attack Pearl Harbor. Thus was the culmination of a years-long operation directed by the Soviet Union wherein the ultimate weapon was influence(there's that word again).


The Sorge spy ring achieved success in steering Japan away from its previously considered plan to attack the Soviet Union, and instead to turn its fire on another target which turned out to be the United States."
The role of Soviet agents in the Pearl Harbor attack

I have suggested to Chic a number of times that she forward her anti-FDR evidence to the historians that rate the presidents. As we approach the end of Obama's term in office the nation's top historians will again rate all the presidents including FDR, The historians have never rated FDR below third best and in the last, rating rated FDR as America's best president. ]
Without Chic's evidence they just might rate him that high again.

 

[PoliticalChic]

It was only because Rooseveldt died that America was able to win World War II.

I differ with that view: although he refused to honor his promise to help defeat Japan, Stalin would have continued to 'guide' America's military, as he did during the war, using American troops to end any chance Japan would stand in the way of his control in the Far East.

He led FDR by the nose, and certainly wished to see Japan defeated.


BTW....have you read "Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History," by Leona Schecter and Jerrold Schecter?

" Amongst the myriad twists and turns and subplots of World War II was the amazing efficiency with which Soviet agents in the U.S., Japan, and elsewhere around the globe coordinated to steer the imperial Japanese government away from an attack on the Soviet Union – a multi-year effort that resulted in the attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941.....


...Richard Sorge was arrested in Tokyo in 1941 by the Japanese police, he had just informed Soviet dictator Josef Stalin that Japan was planning to attack Pearl Harbor. Thus was the culmination of a years-long operation directed by the Soviet Union wherein the ultimate weapon was influence(there's that word again).


The Sorge spy ring achieved success in steering Japan away from its previously considered plan to attack the Soviet Union, and instead to turn its fire on another target which turned out to be the United States."
The role of Soviet agents in the Pearl Harbor attack

I have suggested to Chic a number of times that she forward her anti-FDR evidence to the historians that rate the presidents. As we approach the end of Obama's term in office the nation's top historians will again rate all the presidents including FDR, The historians have never rated FDR below third best and in the last, rating rated FDR as America's best president. ]
Without Chic's evidence they just might rate him that high again.

"I have suggested to Chic a number of times that she forward her anti-FDR evidence to the historians that rate the presidents."

Now, why would I "forward" anything to folks less honest and objective....and knowledgeable,... than I?



And, as you have never been able to deny or refute any of my posts, you certainly have no role in any confab that involves honesty, or knowledge.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I read somewhere a long time ago that some of Washington's officers wanted to make him King, but he refused.

"....Washington voluntarily resigned his military commission weeks later on December 23, 1783 saying: “Happy in the confirmation of our Independence and Sovereignty, and pleased with the opportunity afforded the United States of becoming a respectable Nation, I resign with satisfaction the Appointment I accepted with diffidence.” Washington continues “having now finished the work assigned me, I retire from the great theatre of Action; and bidding an Affectionate farewell to this August body under whose orders I have so long acted, I here offer my Commission, and take my leave of all the employments of public life.”

Washington voluntarily stepped down from power again, this time after serving two terms as President, prompting King George III to proclaim Washington to have ”the greatest character of the age.”
The Man Who Would Not be King



A very different character trait from Franklin Roosevelt, who saw himself as a king....

"In July 5, 1935, in a letter to Representative Samuel B. Hill of Washington, the President manifested his contempt for the Constitution. Hill was chairman of the subcommittee studying the Guffey-Vinson bill to regulate the coal industry: the purpose of the legislation was to re-establish, for the coal industry, the NRA code system which the Supreme Court had unanimously declared unconstitutional. Roosevelt wrote: "I hope your committee will not permit doubts as to constitutionality, however reasonable, to block the legislation.

This was the same Roosevelt who had sworn an oath on his 300 year old family Bible, to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution,"p. 65.

 

[Moonglow]

FDR had not spent the previous decade fighting a war of Independence...or he probably would have made it only two terms...Washington was sick during his presidency, with malaria and dysentery..Which also was a reason for only two terms...

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR had not spent the previous decade fighting a war of Independence...or he probably would have made it only two terms...Washington was sick during his presidency, with malaria and dysentery..Which also was a reason for only two terms...

Thank you for your attempt to compare apples and aardvarks.

I can always count on you for some intellectual non sequitur.




The difference had nothing to do with any war, nor with health, you dunce.

The first President was a man of character who honored the Constitution.

The 32nd President honored Stalin, Mussolini, and Hitler.


" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to•the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48

 

[Moonglow]

FDR had not spent the previous decade fighting a war of Independence...or he probably would have made it only two terms...Washington was sick during his presidency, with malaria and dysentery..Which also was a reason for only two terms...

Thank you for your attempt to compare apples and aardvarks.

I can always count on you for some intellectual non sequitur.




The difference had nothing to do with any war, nor with health, you dunce.

The first President was a man of character who honored the Constitution.

The 32nd President honored Stalin, Mussolini, and Hitler.


" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to•the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48

There was no term limits in the Constitution at that time...

 

[Moonglow]

" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to•the Soviet Union."

I am sure the Pols, French, Czechs and Slavs would like to believe that, along with the Jews, gays, dissenters and mental and physical handicapped people of Germany..

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR had not spent the previous decade fighting a war of Independence...or he probably would have made it only two terms...Washington was sick during his presidency, with malaria and dysentery..Which also was a reason for only two terms...

Thank you for your attempt to compare apples and aardvarks.

I can always count on you for some intellectual non sequitur.




The difference had nothing to do with any war, nor with health, you dunce.

The first President was a man of character who honored the Constitution.

The 32nd President honored Stalin, Mussolini, and Hitler.


" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to•the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48

There was no term limits in the Constitution at that time...

Another 'swing and a miss.'

They were unnecessary unless the candidate imagined he was a king....or a dictator.

 

[Moonglow]

FDR had not spent the previous decade fighting a war of Independence...or he probably would have made it only two terms...Washington was sick during his presidency, with malaria and dysentery..Which also was a reason for only two terms...

Thank you for your attempt to compare apples and aardvarks.

I can always count on you for some intellectual non sequitur.




The difference had nothing to do with any war, nor with health, you dunce.

The first President was a man of character who honored the Constitution.

The 32nd President honored Stalin, Mussolini, and Hitler.


" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to•the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48

There was no term limits in the Constitution at that time...

Another 'swing and a miss.'

They were unnecessary unless the candidate imagined he was a king....or a dictator.

Hardly so, if the will of the people dictate the election...

 

[PoliticalChic]

" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to•the Soviet Union."

I am sure the Pols, French, Czechs and Slavs would like to believe that, along with the Jews, gays, dissenters and mental and physical handicapped people of Germany..

Just imagine if you actually had either an education or a brain.

"American progressives, for the most part, did not disavow fascism until the horrors of the Nazi Holocaust became manifest during World War II. After the war, those progressives who had praised Mussolini and Hitler in the 1920s and 1930s had no choice but to dissociate themselves from fascism.

“Accordingly,” writes Jonah Goldberg, “leftist intellectuals redefined fascism as 'right-wing' and projected their own sins onto conservatives, even as they continued to borrow heavily from fascist and pre-fascist thought.” This progressive campaign to recast fascism as the "right-wing" antithesis of communism was aided by Joseph Stalin, ...."
Progressive Support for Italian and German Fascism - Discover the Networks


You are the explanation as to why one rarely finds educated folks on the Left.

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR had not spent the previous decade fighting a war of Independence...or he probably would have made it only two terms...Washington was sick during his presidency, with malaria and dysentery..Which also was a reason for only two terms...

Thank you for your attempt to compare apples and aardvarks.

I can always count on you for some intellectual non sequitur.




The difference had nothing to do with any war, nor with health, you dunce.

The first President was a man of character who honored the Constitution.

The 32nd President honored Stalin, Mussolini, and Hitler.


" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to•the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48

There was no term limits in the Constitution at that time...

Another 'swing and a miss.'

They were unnecessary unless the candidate imagined he was a king....or a dictator.

Hardly so, if the will of the people dictate the election...

The people have been known to err.

Look at the current occupant of the White House.

 

[Moonglow]

" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to•the Soviet Union."

I am sure the Pols, French, Czechs and Slavs would like to believe that, along with the Jews, gays, dissenters and mental and physical handicapped people of Germany..

Just imagine if you actually had either an education or a brain.

"American progressives, for the most part, did not disavow fascism until the horrors of the Nazi Holocaust became manifest during World War II. After the war, those progressives who had praised Mussolini and Hitler in the 1920s and 1930s had no choice but to dissociate themselves from fascism.

“Accordingly,” writes Jonah Goldberg, “leftist intellectuals redefined fascism as 'right-wing' and projected their own sins onto conservatives, even as they continued to borrow heavily from fascist and pre-fascist thought.” This progressive campaign to recast fascism as the "right-wing" antithesis of communism was aided by Joseph Stalin, ...."
Progressive Support for Italian and German Fascism - Discover the Networks


You are the explanation as to why one rarely finds educated folks on the Left.

Hitler wasn't in power in the 1920's..