How about a CEASEFIRE in UKRAINE?

[bendog]

If Russia wanted to conquer all of Ukraine, they would have done so by now. Ukraine never stood a chance, even with the massive military aid from the West.

Really. Just a walk in the park.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-intelligence-assesses-ukraine-war-has-cost-russia-315000-casualties-source-2023-12-12/

Morally, there's a question when we use other countries bodies to bleed our enemies. But in this case, Russia invaded, and Ukraine did not. Still, Biden gave these poor sobs just enough to not lose, and now, Ukraine is facing its lack of population. But the US may be in the process of giving Ukraine control over not just its own airspace, but to actually strike inside Russia.

 

[gipper]

Really. Just a walk in the park.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-intelligence-assesses-ukraine-war-has-cost-russia-315000-casualties-source-2023-12-12/

Morally, there's a question when we use other countries bodies to bleed our enemies. But in this case, Russia invaded, and Ukraine did not. Still, Biden gave these poor sobs just enough to not lose, and now, Ukraine is facing its lack of population. But the US may be in the process of giving Ukraine control over not just its own airspace, but to actually strike inside Russia.

No. Ukraine had murdered Russian speakers in eastern Ukraine since O’s coup. 14,000 murdered and Ukraine was about to launch a major offensive, when Russia invaded.

This war is the dumbest war and they are all dumb. It was provoked by the DC neocons primarily to enrich the MIC and the two crime families. Hundreds of thousands are dead for nothing.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Ukraine had murdered Russian speakers in eastern Ukraine since O’s coup. 14,000 murdered and Ukraine was about to launch a major offensive, when Russia invaded.

What a piggishly one-sided way to see things! The 14,000 deaths were on both sides over 8 years. Most deaths were of soldiers and soldier volunteers.

It all started after Russian-speaking Ukrainians seized city halls and tried to replicate their own “little Maidans” in the Donbas. They failed in most big cities like Kharkov. It all would have ended soon had full-scale war not started with invading Russian unmarked military & ex-military & KGB types flooding into the Donbas with heavy weapons. Many pro-Russian Russian-speaking Ukrainian Donbas leaders were quickly pushed aside and replaced by Russian Russians — many with essentially fascist or simply “Greater Russia” mentalities.

This was the early stage of Ukraine being invaded by Russia — and the results of that invasion, like Putin’s full invasion in 2022, was of course catastrophic for the Donbas. You ONLY blame Ukrainian nationalists for the deaths in the war which followed … but not Russian invaders at all!

The destruction and great majority of deaths in the whole Ukrainian East, as well as its South, and the deaths also of Russian soldiers, occurred because Putin would not let Ukraine keep its own internationally recognized borders and allow the country to move toward Western Europe economically and politically, as the great majority preferred by 2014, and prefer even more today.

Of course now everything is reduced to military force, and Putin’s pretense / paranoia about “NATO expansion” has backfired, and led to both neighboring Finland and also Sweden joining.

Putin relies on Russia’s oil and gas wealth and greater numbers and his iron control over Russia to see the war through. He will sacrifice any number of Russians to maintain his own and his regime’s power.

But Putin’s real not-so-secret weapon and his aim has always been clear. He counts on and encourages divisions within the “lazy, decadent” Western alliance, or just a victory of Trump in 2024 and American abandonment of Ukraine.

Fools like you — who claim to despise all forms of “oppressive statism” — are happy to capitulate before Putin’s ultra-statist oppression and aggression against Ukraine & Ukraine’s tragically suffering people.