How 5 Capitalist Democracies Do Health Care

[Samson]

Amazing.
I actually hate the pithy "Drinking Cool-aid Response" that seems to have become lexicon, but I can imagine Jim Jones uttering the same words:

Devnell's words: "Stop whining about responsibilies and obligatulions. Freedom isn't free, so STfU and pay your bill."

You think Freedom is bought with Higher taxes?

Yes I do..

And Here, Ladies and gentleman, is the primary reason we need to nuke (figureatively) DC.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Amazing.
I actually hate the pithy "Drinking Cool-aid Response" that seems to have become lexicon, but I can imagine Jim Jones uttering the same words:
You think Freedom is bought with Higher taxes?

Yes I do..

And Here, Ladies and gentleman, is the primary reason we need to nuke (figureatively) DC.

Freedom is not free. It costs lots of money. Don't believe me? Go to a country with low taxes.

Now high taxes does not neccessarily guarantee ggod government. It can cause bad government. But taxes themselves are NOT evil. People like you are.

 

[GWV5903]

Why can't you just keep your own money and pay for soldiers of fortune to protect you from the Boogie man?
Taxes and programs they pay for ......It's societal agreements. You want to go your own way? Join a cult. I hear the Randian Objectovist Nitwit Society is holding a recruitment seminar nearby.

Now your stuck in that 8th grade mentality again, try doing this a couple of times, there is a slight chance you'll get that peanut to quit bouncing around in that vacuum of space on your shoulders......

Blahblahblah.......maybe, just maybe someday you will grasp what your missing in all of this......until then just

You're as impressive as a pimple on the ass of a pregnant whore posting at USMB

Finally an avatar that truly represents your image, I didn't think it was possible, obviously you know that image best, so you really have the nerve to look in the mirror???

 

[Samson]

Finally an avatar that truly represents your image, I didn't think it was possible, obviously you know that image best, so you really have the nerve to look in the mirror???

Are YOU talkin' to ME?

 

[Valerie]

Ha ha ha! Hankey the Christmas poo..."On a higher plain"

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Now your stuck in that 8th grade mentality again, try doing this a couple of times, there is a slight chance you'll get that peanut to quit bouncing around in that vacuum of space on your shoulders......

Blahblahblah.......maybe, just maybe someday you will grasp what your missing in all of this......until then just

You're as impressive as a pimple on the ass of a pregnant whore posting at USMB

Finally an avatar that truly represents your image, I didn't think it was possible, obviously you know that image best, so you really have the nerve to look in the mirror???

Asswipes Like You Just Don't Get IT........... and that is okay.


btw' what was your IQ last time it was tested?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Why do the right wing-nuts always mention Canada and also misrepresent Great Britain?

Why do the conservatives always ignore that what Americans want and will do is make their own way and not copy a system from others?

Why does the GOP have so little respect for American ingenuity when it comes to figuring out a way around the health care crisis even they admit is real?

Here is how 5 Capitalist Democracies have dealt with health care. Maybe we can pick and choose things from them and stay away from mistakes made and stop trying to say as the GOP does, that we should re-invent the wheel?

back on topic...try going to the first post in this thread

 

[saveliberty]

Yes I do..

And Here, Ladies and gentleman, is the primary reason we need to nuke (figureatively) DC.

Freedom is not free. It costs lots of money. Don't believe me? Go to a country with low taxes.

Now high taxes does not neccessarily guarantee ggod government. It can cause bad government. But taxes themselves are NOT evil. People like you are.

High taxes have almost exclusively been reserved for countries that were socialist or had one person rule. Taxes are evil. They steal from one person for the benefit of another group in most cases. To a certain degree, taxes are necesary, because government is not run by people commited enough to do it for free. Also certain things like defense, require group financing.

 

[rightwinger]

High taxes have almost exclusively been reserved for countries that were socialist or had one person rule. Taxes are evil. They steal from one person for the benefit of another group in most cases. To a certain degree, taxes are necesary, because government is not run by people commited enough to do it for free. Also certain things like defense, require group financing.

Wow!

Here it is December 27 and we have a new contender for dumbest post of the year

"Government is not run by people commited enough to do it for free" There you have it, the solution to all of our economic problems

 

[Yukon]

A 50 cent tax on cigs, gasoline, and booze will more than pay for Universal Health care. If you think I'm wrong do the arithmatic (if you can).

 

[GWV5903]

You're as impressive as a pimple on the ass of a pregnant whore posting at USMB

Finally an avatar that truly represents your image, I didn't think it was possible, obviously you know that image best, so you really have the nerve to look in the mirror???

Asswipes Like You Just Don't Get IT........... and that is okay.


btw' what was your IQ last time it was tested?

Glad I don't get it !!!

The classic IQ challenge when you can't refute the obvious, before you question someone else, keep in mind your single digit score is still a record in the Guinness Book of World Records.....

 

[saveliberty]

High taxes have almost exclusively been reserved for countries that were socialist or had one person rule. Taxes are evil. They steal from one person for the benefit of another group in most cases. To a certain degree, taxes are necesary, because government is not run by people commited enough to do it for free. Also certain things like defense, require group financing.

Wow!

Here it is December 27 and we have a new contender for dumbest post of the year

"Government is not run by people commited enough to do it for free" There you have it, the solution to all of our economic problems

Name one President who ran for the pay. Most in Congress are millionaires. Why do they need to be paid? Usually these type of people are the first ones liberals look to for funding. You make exceptions for these people?

 

[MajikMyst]

High taxes have almost exclusively been reserved for countries that were socialist or had one person rule. Taxes are evil. They steal from one person for the benefit of another group in most cases. To a certain degree, taxes are necesary, because government is not run by people commited enough to do it for free. Also certain things like defense, require group financing.

Wow!

Here it is December 27 and we have a new contender for dumbest post of the year

"Government is not run by people commited enough to do it for free" There you have it, the solution to all of our economic problems

Name one President who ran for the pay. Most in Congress are millionaires. Why do they need to be paid? Usually these type of people are the first ones liberals look to for funding. You make exceptions for these people?

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?? Government isn't free?? Conservatives typically don't want to pay taxes for anything.. Our educations system is fucked cause of conservatives constantly cutting spending.. Yet you well run off and start wars and neglect paying for them.. How bout we have a well funded education system and less wars?? How bout we fund Nasa? You think life on this planet will last forever?? Or do you even care about future generations??

That is the issue with you people.. You don't want to fund anything.. Bush's lack of paying for anything got us into the mess we are in.. And now you are going to bitch piss and moan when Obama actually tries to pay for something.. You are either willfully stupid or simply ignorant..

The government needs funding.. If you don't like it then, (as a previous poster said) move to a country with little or no government taxes.. Our government and what it provides us the people of this nation, is what sets us apart from some place like Afghanistan.. The more we fund it and it's programs the better.. As for corruption?? Well?? There is a thing called elections.. Be thankful you have a right to vote.. Many nations with little or no taxes don't give you that right..

 

[sitarro]

there is not legitimate reason to have a for profit health insurance industry. we can try different approaches but what you propose is similar to the nation under the articles of confederation where each state goes it's own way....nuts!

As long as some Americans buy the Health Insurance Indutry's line, we will be forever behind the trend in looking out for one of the most bsic needs of a free and civilized society.

when you come out of your self imposed nightmare, you will find that a federal approach is nothing at all to be so fearful of.

This is going to be interesting. I wonder if it will become a Constitutional battle over the mandate to buy insurance.

Every state regulates its own insurnace and that is why insurance cannot be sold across state lines. I would suppose that somewhere in those 2000+ pages there is some referance to this, but if it has always been a state regulated item...

On the same track, if the Feds can sell the same policy across state lines, can other companies sell the same policy across state lines? Sauce for the goose and all that.

Will the same policy that works in NYC work on the plains of North Dakota? Will there be preferred provider networks recomended? Will there be HMO's structured to take advantage of the system's new capabilities? Will the fairly recent phenomenon of mega network hospitals be utilized in this or will they be regarded as too powerful and be broken up?

How much direction will the Feds assume and how much penatly will be charged to those who either fail to particiapate or who carry private insurance?

The Swiss pay $750/mo.? There are many insurance policies that can be had for $750/mo. right now that those w/o insurance could purchase. How many of these folks have the $9000.00/year to spend on this?

Not a real problem I suppose. With the 10 year added cost of the program which covers the costs of 30 million folks for the last 6 years of that period while not covering another 24 million, the average annual cost PER PERSON ADDED is $5,555.00 so that should about work out.

Too bad about the other 24 million and those that will be cut from Medicare.

Odd numbers. Since Switzeland spends about 3/4 as much per capita for their health care as we do, and cover all their citizens, are you saying that the US is currently spending much more than $1000 per citizen, as we do not cover all our citizens?

If so, why is ours so high, and failing to cover all of our citizens?

Could it be because of thieves in the Health Care Insurance Industry? The ones that have been spending 1.4 million dollars a day to prevent any kind of real health care reform?

Where did you get that figure? Keith Oberfuror?

 

[sitarro]

Wow!

Here it is December 27 and we have a new contender for dumbest post of the year

"Government is not run by people commited enough to do it for free" There you have it, the solution to all of our economic problems

Name one President who ran for the pay. Most in Congress are millionaires. Why do they need to be paid? Usually these type of people are the first ones liberals look to for funding. You make exceptions for these people?

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?? Government isn't free?? Conservatives typically don't want to pay taxes for anything.. Our educations system is fucked cause of conservatives constantly cutting spending.. Yet you well run off and start wars and neglect paying for them.. How bout we have a well funded education system and less wars?? How bout we fund Nasa? You think life on this planet will last forever?? Or do you even care about future generations??

That is the issue with you people.. You don't want to fund anything.. Bush's lack of paying for anything got us into the mess we are in.. And now you are going to bitch piss and moan when Obama actually tries to pay for something.. You are either willfully stupid or simply ignorant..

The government needs funding.. If you don't like it then, (as a previous poster said) move to a country with little or no government taxes.. Our government and what it provides us the people of this nation, is what sets us apart from some place like Afghanistan.. The more we fund it and it's programs the better.. As for corruption?? Well?? There is a thing called elections.. Be thankful you have a right to vote.. Many nations with little or no taxes don't give you that right..

Education needs more funding, what a load of shit. Education needs better students, most don't give a shit about learning anything. As for colleges, get rid of the ridiculous expenditures on sports and quit hiring loser socialist for professors.

 

[Immanuel]

Our government is NOT currupt. It is reflective of the voting public. The GOP has done what terrorists and rebels do when trying to destabilize nations they cannot win over with ideas....disruption, destruction, deceit, deception, all intended to make dupes like you say it is the government that is at fault.

Well I choose to blame people for their actions and not follow the words of partisan communication experts.

The Social Security program is run very well. The funding is at issue as it has always been...but ALL the millions of checks go out on time and all the people signing up get what they should. Medicare works too. When was the last time you heard of a patient insured by medicare being denied treatment for the things private insurers routinely deny paying customers for?

Take the profit out of health insurance and you will cut the costs of health care to managed able levels.

Another problem with Social Security, is that people have to put so much money into the system and get jack shit in return... if they live long enough. If they don't live long enough, they and their family lose everything.

A third problem with Social Security is the poor investment management of the funds. T-Bills (government IOUs) are simply not realistic by themselves to provide a return on the funds especially when T-Bills don't even keep up with inflation.

Immie

you are confusing SS with the sole retirement plan which it was never designed to be.

If we don't do things together and for each other as a society and not as individuals we will ssurely sow the seeds that destroy the republic.

This selfish self centered jibbersih that is common today is based on false assumptions, false models, false ideology, false premises, false ideals and a false understanding of how this gre

You are, as usual, wrong.

If Social Security were revamped to model even a semi decent retirement program, then in a generation we could be weaned off of it. We can't eliminate it in its entirety as we must provide for people who's working lives are cut short by disability or death of a wage earner.

It has nothing to do with being selfish or self-centered. It has everything to do with personal responsibility and smaller less corrupt government.

We have to continue to support our parents who have worked their entire lives under the Social Security plan. We also have to provide for those who have worked under the plan for so long, but a government program that puts tax free savings away for an individual in the individual's name and continues to pay the obligations of Social Security to those who have worked all their lives for it could be developed. It would wean us off of Social Security, provide for those who counted on it all their lives and build a stronger America to boot. It would mean some additional taxes to my generation, but if it weaned the younger generation off of Today's version of Social Security and provided them with a secure future, it would most definitely be worth it.

Unfortunately, it won't happen because Congress will never let this golden egg laying goose die.

Immie

 

[Douger]

OK. $750 a month in Switzerland.
The rest of the story.............
Switzerland Guide: Working, Salaries, working hours and annual leave: Switzerland has a very high costs of liv

 

[saveliberty]

Because our government is corrupt and totally incapable of running a social program that successfully and efficiently provides for those it intends to help.

Immie

Our government is NOT currupt. It is reflective of the voting public. The GOP has done what terrorists and rebels do when trying to destabilize nations they cannot win over with ideas....disruption, destruction, deceit, deception, all intended to make dupes like you say it is the government that is at fault.

Well I choose to blame people for their actions and not follow the words of partisan communication experts.

The Social Security program is run very well. The funding is at issue as it has always been...but ALL the millions of checks go out on time and all the people signing up get what they should. Medicare works too. When was the last time you heard of a patient insured by medicare being denied treatment for the things private insurers routinely deny paying customers for?

Take the profit out of health insurance and you will cut the costs of health care to managed able levels.

Your not suppose to take up residence inside the Kool-Aide pitcher. This one is addicted folks.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Because our government is corrupt and totally incapable of running a social program that successfully and efficiently provides for those it intends to help.

Immie

Our government is NOT currupt. It is reflective of the voting public. The GOP has done what terrorists and rebels do when trying to destabilize nations they cannot win over with ideas....disruption, destruction, deceit, deception, all intended to make dupes like you say it is the government that is at fault.

Well I choose to blame people for their actions and not follow the words of partisan communication experts.

The Social Security program is run very well. The funding is at issue as it has always been...but ALL the millions of checks go out on time and all the people signing up get what they should. Medicare works too. When was the last time you heard of a patient insured by medicare being denied treatment for the things private insurers routinely deny paying customers for?

Take the profit out of health insurance and you will cut the costs of health care to managed able levels.

Your not suppose to take up residence inside the Kool-Aide pitcher. This one is addicted folks.

Drinking Kool Aid does not give a sufficient Hopey Changey high anymore, they have to snort it straight from the can

 

[PatekPhilippe]

anyone who has half a brain in britain goes private... They don't use the nhs unless they can't afford insurance... Because it's crap.

FACT!!!!!!!!!!!