How 5 Capitalist Democracies Do Health Care

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    Why do the right wing-nuts always mention Canada and also misrepresent Great Britain?

    Why do the conservatives always ignore that what Americans want and will do is make their own way and not copy a system from others?

    Why does the GOP have so little respect for American ingenuity when it comes to figuring out a way around the health care crisis even they admit is real?

    Here is how 5 Capitalist Democracies have dealt with health care. Maybe we can pick and choose things from them and stay away from mistakes made and stop trying to say as the GOP does, that we should re-invent the wheel?

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    Because Canada's system is fubarred about as bad as England's.

    Then why do you guys keep mentioning all these other countries and why we should be like them?

    We have a lot of respect for Americans far beyond just their ingenuity. There could have been 50 individual experiments on this problem, but the federal government decided to try just one. Then when they couldn't make a reasonable plan that saved money, they came up with this bastardization. Ignoring waht Americans told them they didn't want by the way.
     
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    there is not legitimate reason to have a for profit health insurance industry. we can try different approaches but what you propose is similar to the nation under the articles of confederation where each state goes it's own way....nuts!

    As long as some Americans buy the Health Insurance Indutry's line, we will be forever behind the trend in looking out for one of the most bsic needs of a free and civilized society.

    when you come out of your self imposed nightmare, you will find that a federal approach is nothing at all to be so fearful of.
     
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    Because our government is corrupt and totally incapable of running a social program that successfully and efficiently provides for those it intends to help.

    Immie
     
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    Anyone who has half a brain in Britain goes private... they don't use the NHS unless they can't afford insurance... because it's crap.
     
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    When I exit the nightmare, you will be under a very different system.
     
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    This is going to be interesting. I wonder if it will become a Constitutional battle over the mandate to buy insurance.

    Every state regulates its own insurnace and that is why insurance cannot be sold across state lines. I would suppose that somewhere in those 2000+ pages there is some referance to this, but if it has always been a state regulated item...

    On the same track, if the Feds can sell the same policy across state lines, can other companies sell the same policy across state lines? Sauce for the goose and all that.

    Will the same policy that works in NYC work on the plains of North Dakota? Will there be preferred provider networks recomended? Will there be HMO's structured to take advantage of the system's new capabilities? Will the fairly recent phenomenon of mega network hospitals be utilized in this or will they be regarded as too powerful and be broken up?

    How much direction will the Feds assume and how much penatly will be charged to those who either fail to particiapate or who carry private insurance?

    The Swiss pay $750/mo.? There are many insurance policies that can be had for $750/mo. right now that those w/o insurance could purchase. How many of these folks have the $9000.00/year to spend on this?

    Not a real problem I suppose. With the 10 year added cost of the program which covers the costs of 30 million folks for the last 6 years of that period while not covering another 24 million, the average annual cost PER PERSON ADDED is $5,555.00 so that should about work out.

    Too bad about the other 24 million and those that will be cut from Medicare.
     
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    Really? Social Security is doing quite well, thank you. As is Medicare, if we could get some real enforcement against thieves like Rick Scott.
     
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    Yeah, right. If you knew anything at all about retirement planning, you would know that Social Security is piss poor at best.

    And Merry Christmas Old as Rocks and may you have a blessed New Year.

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    Odd numbers. Since Switzeland spends about 3/4 as much per capita for their health care as we do, and cover all their citizens, are you saying that the US is currently spending much more than $1000 per citizen, as we do not cover all our citizens?

    If so, why is ours so high, and failing to cover all of our citizens?

    Could it be because of thieves in the Health Care Insurance Industry? The ones that have been spending 1.4 million dollars a day to prevent any kind of real health care reform?
     

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