House Republicans regroup amid Medicare anger

[VaYank5150]

You mean like how the right tried to scare seniors prior to the midterm election where they attacked obama for daring to cut waste from medicare??

Funny how it's apparently ok for the right to do it but oh so wrong for the left to do it. LOL

The right tends to have selective memory on this one.

Obama wants to cut fraud & waste in MediCare = he is killing Grandma.
Ryan/GOP want to eliminate MediCare altogether = a good idea.

Bullshit.

Boiking didn't do any cutting of fraud, but in fact perpetrated one when he double-counted money backed out of Medicare only to count it as "revenues" for his train wreck of a plan.

BTW....I'm not a republican, so y'all can give up trying to project their foolishness onto me.

So, all of the attack ads run on TV by the "conservatives/right" during the healthcare deabte were out and out lies?

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Republicans' Medicare blunder - CNN.com

How is this a blunder?

People close to retirement (55+) who haven't had time to prepare for the cuts financially aren't affected. Those under 55, such as myself, have the time to prepare and will have to deal with cuts.

What is the issue your trying to create?

How about the fact that ryan claims that medicare will go broke in 9 years and yet his plan does nothing to address the costs for 10 years based on how he claims that nothing will change for those 55 and over??

If their retirement is what is going to make medicare go broke in 9 years then how does ryan's plan address that problem in the here and now??

You didn't read his actual plan. His cuts would start immediately, not in 10 years.

Defunding obamacare alone would cover it even if he wasn't starting cuts with his plan immediately.

You either didn't read it or you went based of what someone who is spreading misinformation told you.

Here read his plan! http://paulryan.house.gov/UploadedFiles/PathToProsperityFY2012.pdf


EDIT: Im not going to do all your homework for you, read the plan. You did ask for specifics and there are 2.

 

[Oddball]

The right tends to have selective memory on this one.

Obama wants to cut fraud & waste in MediCare = he is killing Grandma.
Ryan/GOP want to eliminate MediCare altogether = a good idea.

Bullshit.

Boiking didn't do any cutting of fraud, but in fact perpetrated one when he double-counted money backed out of Medicare only to count it as "revenues" for his train wreck of a plan.

BTW....I'm not a republican, so y'all can give up trying to project their foolishness onto me.

So, all of the attack ads run on TV by the "conservatives/right" during the healthcare deabte were out and out lies?

Which ads?

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

How is this a blunder?

People close to retirement (55+) who haven't had time to prepare for the cuts financially aren't affected. Those under 55, such as myself, have the time to prepare and will have to deal with cuts.

What is the issue your trying to create?

They're trying to scare the fuck out of seniors, yet again.

The ethos of Marxist expropriation and redistribution fails on economic and moral bases, so you have to go around and demagogue all who oppose you.

You mean like how the right tried to scare seniors prior to the midterm election where they attacked obama for daring to cut waste from medicare??

Funny how it's apparently ok for the right to do it but oh so wrong for the left to do it. LOL

Who said it was right for the repubs to do it, certainly not myself or oddball....stupid strawmen.

 

[Oddball]

How is this a blunder?

People close to retirement (55+) who haven't had time to prepare for the cuts financially aren't affected. Those under 55, such as myself, have the time to prepare and will have to deal with cuts.

What is the issue your trying to create?

How about the fact that ryan claims that medicare will go broke in 9 years and yet his plan does nothing to address the costs for 10 years based on how he claims that nothing will change for those 55 and over??

If their retirement is what is going to make medicare go broke in 9 years then how does ryan's plan address that problem in the here and now??

You didn't read his actual plan. His cuts would start immediately, not in 10 years.

Defunding obamacare alone would cover it even if he wasn't starting cuts with his plan immediately.

You either didn't read it or you went based of what someone who is spreading misinformation told you.

Here read his plan! http://paulryan.house.gov/UploadedFiles/PathToProsperityFY2012.pdf

In defense of Paul Ryan's Medicare plan - Fortune Finance

Ryan is polishing a turd, IM not-at-all HO....But hearing the freaked-out squeals from the authoritarian socialist free lunchers is still marginally amusing.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

In 2012, we get another run against the Radical Neo-Marxist "Spend America to Death" Agenda of Obama, Pelosi and Reid so Dems are in for another 75 seat Congressional asskicking, the loss of half of their remaining state Houses, and Obama loses maybe all of the 57 states he visited in 2008.

Hasta la Vista, dickwads!

 

[Claudette]

How is this a blunder?

People close to retirement (55+) who haven't had time to prepare for the cuts financially aren't affected. Those under 55, such as myself, have the time to prepare and will have to deal with cuts.

What is the issue your trying to create?

How about the fact that ryan claims that medicare will go broke in 9 years and yet his plan does nothing to address the costs for 10 years based on how he claims that nothing will change for those 55 and over??

If their retirement is what is going to make medicare go broke in 9 years then how does ryan's plan address that problem in the here and now??

You didn't read his actual plan. His cuts would start immediately, not in 10 years.

Defunding obamacare alone would cover it even if he wasn't starting cuts with his plan immediately.

You either didn't read it or you went based of what someone who is spreading misinformation told you.

Here read his plan! http://paulryan.house.gov/UploadedFiles/PathToProsperityFY2012.pdf


EDIT: Im not going to do all your homework for you, read the plan. You did ask for specifics and there are 2.

Of course he didn't read it.

If he did he might find something he would actually like.

What am I saying?? Never mind.

 

[kiwiman127]

So, as I do often. If I don't think something is right, I look it up as i did with the claim that Medicare doubles in cost every 4 years.

I found since 1970 Medicare costs per beneficiary have risen at an annual rate of 8.8%but insurance premiums have risen at an annual rate of 9.9%.

http://www.cms.gov/NationalHealthExpendData/downloads/tables.pdf

How 'bout you score what Medicare costs today, versus what it was claimed it was going to cost, counting for inflation, when that foolhardy scam was enacted back in '65?

G'head and take your time......

I don't think anyone back in the 60's ever thought health care costs would increase like they have . The below graph shows exactly how much the cost of health care has increased versus the CPI. As I would guess you already know, the CPI represents total inflation. Look at the red line representing the increase of the cost of health care versus the blue line representing the CPI.
Notice the CPI and health care costs were running pretty even, in other words for years health care costs were staying in pace with the country's inflation and then in the early 80s heath care costs starting skyrocketing.

 

[Dot Com]

GOP dictionary: The wealthy are more important than the old.

 

[Old Rocks]

Everyone should be allowed to draw exactly what they have put into Medicare not what those coming behind have put in.

So what about those of us who don't want to put in or take anything out of Medicare? I would GLADLY sign away my ability to collect ANY Government medical care money in order not to have any taken from my paycheck. Hell, I pretty much already have done that.... my Living Will has a provision stating that ANY medical service which would be paid for by the Government rather than my presonal insurance CANNOT be administered to me; even if it means my death.

LOL. Everyone should get what they wish for.

 

[Old Rocks]

Hell. Let's solve this once and for all. Go single payer universal coverage. Works in the other industrial nations. Look at Japan and Canada. Health costs per capita less than half of ours, and all their people are covered. Not only that, their results are very much superior to ours.

 

[Dot Com]

I want the socialist health plan that McConnell & Boehner has, the freeloaders/socialists.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Hell. Let's solve this once and for all. Go single payer universal coverage. Works in the other industrial nations. Look at Japan and Canada. Health costs per capita less than half of ours, and all their people are covered. Not only that, their results are very much superior to ours.

May 4, 2011​

"The Republican plan to privatize Medicare may need life support.

In a Quinnipiac poll released Wednesday, a robust majority of registered voters disapproved of Rep. Paul Ryan's (R-WI) proposal to privatize Medicare and cap spending on the program that provides health care assistance to the elderly. And further, a strong majority said they supported an alternate path toward deficit reduction: raising taxes on top income earners, a proposal the GOP leadership has said is a non-starter.

In response, 60% said Medicare should remain as it is, while only 34% said it should be changed in the ways pushed by Rep. Ryan.

In addition, the poll also found that 70% of voters opposed cuts to Medicare funding in general as a way to reduce the defciit, versus 27% who supported those cuts.

Further complicating the GOP's position, just under seven in ten voters said they supported raising taxes on annual income above $250,000 -- as President Obama and Democrats have suggested. Twenty-eight percent of voters said they did not suport such a tax increase."

Six In Ten Oppose
GOP's Medicare Privatization Plan​