Hollywood Dems Gather For 'hate Bush' Meeting At Hilton

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    O.k. fine. View media for what you want. It still doesn't change the proposed meeting in Hollywood promoting hate.
     
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    Drudge promotes hate by reporting about the Democratic supporters that gather for a meeting called "Hate Bush"? I think you've got your wires crossed! :rolleyes:
     
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    Oh come now, such innocence on the part of the right, what a pack of little angles...
    Who were those people chasing Clinton around back in the 90s'? I'm glad they left the Republican party to make room for all you "anti-hate" activists :laugh:
    So what, they don't like him. A dem fundraiser gets noted in the drudge report, how about a republican $10,000 a plate dinner where you get to hear Cheny rant. Drudge ever go in and count heads, find out how many work for Big Oil and write and article about it? No? Than we can safely assume this is little more that partisan pap.
    To bad about the article, I have the perfect tittle.
    Petro-piggies deliver the bacon, Cheny squeels in delight...
     
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    Democrats and liberals can have all the meetings and funder raisers they want. I was just questioning if a hate Bush message was the best approach for a policital agenda. I don't recall any hate meetings toward a democratic canidate.
     
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    Dude, there were people handing out "Impeach Clinton" bumper stickers in 1993. This is politics, pure and simple. The Dems are shaking the money tree, so are the repubs ("give now or that socialist Dean could be our next president!!!!!") Neither Candidate is going to run on a "hate" message, though both will try to play on our fears. My take on it is it's pap, nothing illegal, immoral or unethical about it but Drudge wants to write an expose. Read his list, these weren't "famous" hollywood types, so it really doesn't even qualify as celebrity news. What's the big deal, that they hate bush? IMHO He's the worst president since Hoover. As a president, I hate him, as a human being he seems like an all right guy. If he was a neighbor, I'd invite him over for barbeques and talk baseball with him.
    The Republicans have to get back in the spirit of the Majority Party, their going to be critisized, their going to be disliked, it comes with sitting in the big chair up at 1600.
     
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    :) O.k. , hate speech from Democrat supporters must be alright then and a good way to raise funds.
     
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    I don't think their is a wit of diference between the two (Reps and Dems) but you can certainly draw the line where you like...;)
     
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    since the dawn of time, or since the invention of the republican and democratic parties, they have went after each other like rabid dogs. whoever is in power, expect the other party to dig dig and dig some more for any thing to help them return to power. power is like a drug, highly addictive, and when your party is out of power, you go through withdrawals. you do whatever it takes to return to power. sad but true, this is how our system works. if a credible third party ever arises, watch how fast the two main partys turn on the newcomer.
     
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    Beware: Bush hatred is a minority taste

    Democrats hate George Bush. No, that’s not graffiti scribbled on a men’s room wall at the Democratic National Committee. That deeply felt anger is shaping the Democratic primary contest. But it is doing so in a way that threatens our party’s ability to appeal to swing voters next year.

    No one factor accounts for Democrats’ intense animosity. Indeed, almost any reason will do. Some are angry that he stole the election. Others are set off by the war. Still other Democrats find his support for special interests, or his environmental policy, or his tax cuts, or his halting locutions as reasons to detest Bush.

    The level of animosity Bush arouses in Democrats appears unprecedented. The data are not strictly comparable, but in 1998, 75 percent of Republicans said Bill Clinton made them angry. Bush’s father could arouse the ire of only 64 percent of Democrats.

    Today, Bush enrages nearly 90 percent of Democrats.

    This intense anger is reflected in the posture Democrats want to take vis-à-vis Republicans. While the vast majority of Republicans and independents want the two parties to work together to solve problems, Democrats do not. They are spoiling for a fight. Many Democrats feel betrayed by what they see as an accommodationist party. These Democrats do not want compromise, conciliation or cooperation. They want political war.

    As a result, the Democratic candidates for president have spent months beating Bush about the head and shoulders. At every debate and at every candidate appearance, the president takes a harsh and often personal, though well-deserved, thrashing.

    This situation presents a simple political problem, however: Democrats are alone in their views. Democrats constitute the minority of Americans who abhor the president; swing independents (and, of course, Republicans) do not. They want presidents and members of Congress who will reach across party lines. They disagree with many of Bush’s policies. They dislike his priorities. They do not approve of many of his actions. They are distraught because he favors special interests over the needs of ordinary citizens. But swing voters do not hate Bush. Many, somehow, actually like him.

    In response to a Los Angeles Times poll question, 68 percent of independents said they like Bush. A Zogby poll found only 31 percent of Democrats proud to have Bush as president, compared to 51 percent of independents. The Los Angeles Times found that 43 percent of independents thought Bush understood the problems of people like them, compared to just 19 percent of Democrats.

    In reality, the Democratic base is out of sync with swing voters. The Democrats’ visceral anger with Bush is but the prime example of this disconnect. The war in Iraq is another. By a 42-point margin, Democrats say removing Saddam was not worth the cost, according to a CBS poll. But independents say it was worth the cost, by a 13-point margin.

    Of course, the Republican base also is out of sync with swing voters on a host of issues — from choice to education to the minimum wage. Presidents, though, can hide the disjunction between the base and the swing. Presidents help create the agenda, dominate the channels of communication and enforce discipline.

    Our presidential candidates, by contrast, must compete with other Democrats for the party’s base. On policy issues, the problems largely can be evaded. Seemingly incongruous issue positions can be reconciled or emphasized differently. Witness former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean’s new emphasis on balanced budgets and his National Rifle Association support.

    But emotions are communicated much more readily and much more clearly than policy positions. Emotions create images from which it is hard to escape. If Democrats offer only anger, we will excite ourselves but swing voters won’t buy in.


    Mark S. Mellman is president of The Mellman Group and has worked for Democratic candidates and causes since 1982.
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    I hate to break to you hardcore rightwingers, but oreilly said on "the factor" that the gathering was not called "hate bush" and oreilly himself said it was unfair to call it that. then, after the meeting took place, oreilly had a guy from "the jewish review", a conservative news org., and the guy said that there was no hate towards bush and they were simply discussing how they could try to get bush out of office.
     

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