Here’s a story that should be the lead across the nation:

[skookerasbil]

Still laughing...........ummmm...........message to the k00ks.



Antarctica

IS

part

of

this

earth!!!





so you lose..................

 

[flacaltenn]

Wait the ice hasn't been this low in over 1MM years?

Are you sure?

Funny how you forgot to grab the quote, could be because you're working on your straw man?

Go ahead stick your head back in the sand and pretend that the damn north pole being ic free is no big deal....

Oh it's newsworthy -- surely it is.. But it was also news in 1930s...

An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie

The huge warming of the Arctic that started in the early 1920s and lasted for almost two decades is one of the most spectacular climate events of the twentieth century. During the peak period 1930–40, the annually averaged temperature anomaly for the area 60°–90°N amounted to some 1.7°C. Whether this event is an example of an internal climate mode or is externally forced, such as by enhanced solar effects, is presently under debate. This study suggests that natural variability is a likely cause, with reduced sea ice cover being crucial for the warming. A robust sea ice–air temperature relationship was demonstrated by a set of four simulations with the atmospheric ECHAM model forced with observed SST and sea ice concentrations. An analysis of the spatial characteristics of the observed early twentieth-century surface air temperature anomaly revealed that it was associated with similar sea ice variations. Further investigation of the variability of Arctic surface temperature and sea ice cover was performed by analyzing data from a coupled ocean–atmosphere model. By analyzing climate anomalies in the model that are similar to those that occurred in the early twentieth century, it was found that the simulated temperature increase in the Arctic was related to enhanced wind-driven oceanic inflow into the Barents Sea with an associated sea ice retreat. The magnitude of the inflow is linked to the strength of westerlies into the Barents Sea. This study proposes a mechanism sustaining the enhanced westerly winds by a cyclonic atmospheric circulation in the Barents Sea region created by a strong surface heat flux over the ice-free areas. Observational data suggest a similar series of events during the early twentieth-century Arctic warming, including increasing westerly winds between Spitsbergen and Norway, reduced sea ice, and enhanced cyclonic circulation over the Barents Sea. At the same time, the North Atlantic Oscillation was weakening.

Received: April 7, 2003; Accepted: February 23, 2004

OF COURSE it was due to NATURAL CAUSES back in the 30s,, But TODAY it's panty wetting time because CERTAINLY this is validation of MAN-Caused Climate change..

 

[RollingThunder]

PLENTY of historical evidence that Arctic Sea Ice has been as low or lower in the past 1000 yrs even...

Oh fecalhead, that is just another one of your braindead denier cult myths that you are never able to back up with any real evidence. And you're dead wrong, of course, you poor deluded retard. The available historical and scientific evidence indicates just the opposite of what your ignorant cultic myths tell you.

Reconstructed changes in Arctic sea ice over the past 1,450 years
NATURE
Published: 23 November 2011
Abstract (excerpts)
Arctic sea ice extent is now more than two million square kilometres less than it was in the late twentieth century, with important consequences for the climate, the ocean and traditional lifestyles in the Arctic(1, 2). Although observations show a more or less continuous decline for the past four or five decades(3, 4), there are few long-term records with which to assess natural sea ice variability. Until now, the question of whether or not current trends are potentially anomalous(5) has therefore remained unanswerable. Here we use a network of high-resolution terrestrial proxies from the circum-Arctic region to reconstruct past extents of summer sea ice, and show that—although extensive uncertainties remain, especially before the sixteenth century—both the duration and magnitude of the current decline in sea ice seem to be unprecedented for the past 1,450 years. These results reinforce the assertion that sea ice is an active component of Arctic climate variability and that the recent decrease in summer Arctic sea ice is consistent with anthropogenically forced warming.

 

[RollingThunder]

Still laughing...........ummmm...........message to the k00ks.
Antarctica
IS
part
of
this
earth!!!
so you lose..................

Actually, what is revealed here is just, once again, that you are an insane retard, full of ignorant bullshit and too stupid to know the difference between shit and shinola. You are very quick to parrot your puppet master's pseudo-scientific propaganda but, of course, facts are your enemy and never seem to be on your side. Good thing you have no interest in 'facts', kookster, they would be very destructive to your fragile little denier cult myths and dogmas.

Forget the Melting Arctic, Sea Ice in Antarctica is Growing!!!
Published: September 22nd, 2012

 

[flacaltenn]

Wow Tinkerbelle --- We've missed you.. Did ya get the GED yet???

One article from Nature that I'm not gonna pay for considering their measly little graphs show virtually NO ICE LOST during the 30s and 40s.. A period where Arctic temps SOARED to relative highs over the previous 100 years..

".... Although extensive uncertainties remain""" You betcha princess.. Like maybe they didn't dig in the right place.. I'm sure they shoveled up the WHOLE arctic circle looking for ice loss evidence..

You go buy this piece and show me how they did this without finding significant ice loss for the 30s and 40s....

 

[RollingThunder]

Wow Tinkerbelle --- We've missed you.. Did ya get the GED yet???

One article from Nature that I'm not gonna pay for considering their measly little graphs show virtually NO ICE LOST during the 30s and 40s.. A period where Arctic temps SOARED to relative highs over the previous 100 years..

".... Although extensive uncertainties remain""" You betcha princess.. Like maybe they didn't dig in the right place.. I'm sure they shoveled up the WHOLE arctic circle looking for ice loss evidence..

You go buy this piece and show me how they did this without finding significant ice loss for the 30s and 40s....

You can flap your lips a lot, fecalhead, and deny the science and deny reality all you want but you can never seem to actually back up your bogus claims with any real evidence. That right there says a lot about you and all of the other retarded denier cultists who also post clueless nonsense like yours on here. You fools are the modern equivalent of The Flat Earth Society.

 

[flacaltenn]

Wow Tinkerbelle --- We've missed you.. Did ya get the GED yet???

One article from Nature that I'm not gonna pay for considering their measly little graphs show virtually NO ICE LOST during the 30s and 40s.. A period where Arctic temps SOARED to relative highs over the previous 100 years..

".... Although extensive uncertainties remain""" You betcha princess.. Like maybe they didn't dig in the right place.. I'm sure they shoveled up the WHOLE arctic circle looking for ice loss evidence..

You go buy this piece and show me how they did this without finding significant ice loss for the 30s and 40s....

You can flap your lips a lot, fecalhead, and deny the science and deny reality all you want but you can never seem to actually back up your bogus claims with any real evidence. That right there says a lot about you and all of the other retarded denier cultists who also post clueless nonsense like yours on here. You fools are the modern equivalent of The Flat Earth Society.

There ya go having another 14yr old princess moment.. Why I've worked HARD in this thread to "back up my claims".. Don't think you even looked since you were out getting tutored or neutered or whatever..

Let's see.. I posted an archival temp record from NASA of the Arctic showing a prolonged and significant rise in temp during the 30s and 40s..

I then conducted a brief seminar on just how GISS has mangled what USED TO BE great looking and jam-packed Arctic Temperature records into completely sanitized and worthless data products. And EXACTLY how the larceny really looks.

and just a page or two ago, I posted a paper published in Jour. Amer Met Soc saying that the Polar ice melt of the 30s was "one of tthe most SIGNIFICANT meterological events of the 20th century"..

And YOU?? You got a couple guys kicking rocks on the Scandavian beaches looking for proxy evidence of previous melts. And saying that "extensive uncertainty remains"...

Even Al Gore would have to score that as a draw...

 

[RollingThunder]

One article from Nature that I'm not gonna pay for considering their measly little graphs show virtually NO ICE LOST during the 30s and 40s.. A period where Arctic temps SOARED to relative highs over the previous 100 years..

"One article from Nature".....or all of the articles and scientific studies done on this topic....it wouldn't matter because you're a dimwitted deluded denier cultist and you just ignore all of the science that disagrees with your politically determined 'opinions' anyway.

".... Although extensive uncertainties remain""" You betcha princess.. Like maybe they didn't dig in the right place.. I'm sure they shoveled up the WHOLE arctic circle looking for ice loss evidence..

You go buy this piece and show me how they did this without finding significant ice loss for the 30s and 40s....

You can flap your lips a lot, fecalhead, and deny the science and deny reality all you want but you can never seem to actually back up your bogus claims with any real evidence. That right there says a lot about you and all of the other retarded denier cultists who also post clueless nonsense like yours on here. You fools are the modern equivalent of The Flat Earth Society.

Why I've worked HARD in this thread to "back up my claims"..

Yeah, right, you've worked so "HARD".....parroting nonsense off of denier cult blogs....LOLOLOL.

You very much of remind me of some poor unfortunate kid in the 'Special' Olympics who tries so hard but in the end is still a spastic retard who trips over his own feet, falls flat on his face, then jumps up and stumbles in the wrong direction. It just breaks your heart to watch someone try so 'HARD' and still deliver a horribly ludicrous performance that they are too retarded to realize is so awful and embarrassing to watch. That's you, to a T.

Let's look closely at the clueless drivel you tried so 'HARD' to present.

Let's see.. I posted an archival temp record from NASA of the Arctic showing a prolonged and significant rise in temp during the 30s and 40s..

Yes, fecalhead, you posted a NASA graph that stops in the year 2001. Since this last decade was the warmest decade on record and since most of the Arctic ice cap shrinkage has occurred in the last decade, this is called "cherry-picking". You ignored the trend line for the last thirty years up to 2001 (+0.48° C per decade). You seem to be wrongly assuming that anthropogenic global warming didn't start until after the 1940's. You make the entirely unsupported assumption that because Arctic temperatures were warmer than average in the 1930's and 40's, the ice cover must have melted back like it is today. Wrong. Are you really so stupid that you could imagine that the Arctic ice could have lost half its area and most of its volume in that time period and no one would have noticed? LOLOLOLOLOL.....you are such a silly retard.....

Here's the text that accompanied that graph you posted.
"Evidence of Arctic Warming
Comiso’s new study presents some striking trends. When compared to longer- term, ground-based surface temperature data, the rate of warming in the Arctic from 1981 to 2001 is eight times larger than the rate of Arctic warming over the last 100 years. There have also been some remarkable seasonal changes. Arctic spring, summer, and autumn have each warmed, lengthening the seasons when sea ice melts by 10 to 17 days per decade. Temperatures increased on average by almost one and a quarter (1.22) degrees Celsius (C) per decade over sea ice in the Arctic summer. Conversely, Arctic winters cooled from the 1980s to the 1990s. The study finds that winters were almost 1 (0.89) degree C cooler per decade.

Here's an article with the graph that actually shows the information in the current context. The Arctic warming in the 30's and 40's was no where near as great as the warming is today and just represents an earlier surge of the anthropogenic warming that started in the 1800's.

Arctic Warming Overtakes 2,000 Years of Natural Cooling
University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
September 03, 2009
(material is free to reproduce for educational purposes - see site 'terms of use' at end)

BOULDER—Arctic temperatures in the 1990s reached their warmest level of any decade in at least 2,000 years, new research indicates. The study, which incorporates geologic records and computer simulations, provides new evidence that the Arctic would be cooling if not for greenhouse gas emissions that are overpowering natural climate patterns.

The international study, led by Northern Arizona University and the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR), will be published in the September 4 edition of Science. It was primarily funded by the National Science Foundation, NCAR's sponsor.

The scientists reconstructed summer temperatures across the Arctic over the last 2,000 years by decade, extending a view of climate far beyond the 400 years of Arctic-wide records previously available at that level of detail. They found that thousands of years of gradual Arctic cooling, related to natural changes in Earth's orbit, would continue today if not for emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases.

New research shows that the Arctic reversed a long-term cooling trend and began warming rapidly in recent decades. The blue line shows estimates of Arctic temperatures over the last 2,000 years, based on proxy records from lake sediments, ice cores and tree rings. The green line shows the long-term cooling trend. The red line shows the recent warming based on actual observations. A 2000-year transient climate simulation with NCAR?s Community Climate System Model shows the same overall temperature decrease as does the proxy temperature reconstruction, which gives scientists confidence that their estimates are accurate. (Courtesy Science, modified by UCAR.)

"This result is particularly important because the Arctic, perhaps more than any other region on Earth, is facing dramatic impacts from climate change," says NCAR scientist David Schneider, one of the co-authors. "This study provides us with a long-term record that reveals how greenhouse gases from human activities are overwhelming the Arctic's natural climate system."

Darrell Kaufman of Northern Arizona University, the lead author and head of the synthesis project, says the results indicate that recent warming is more anomalous than previously documented.

"Scientists have known for a while that the current period of warming was preceded by a long-term cooling trend," says Kaufman. "But our reconstruction quantifies the cooling with greater certainty than before."

Greenhouse gases overtake a natural cycle

The new study is the first to quantify a pervasive cooling across the Arctic on a decade-by-decade basis that is related to an approximately 21,000-year cyclical wobble in Earth's tilt relative to the Sun. Over the last 7,000 years, the timing of Earth's closest pass by the Sun has shifted from September to January. This has gradually reduced the intensity of sunlight reaching the Arctic in summertime, when Earth is farther from the Sun.

The research team's temperature analysis shows that summer temperatures in the Arctic, in step with the reduced energy from the Sun, cooled at an average rate of about 0.2 degrees Celsius (about .36 degrees Fahrenheit) per thousand years. The temperatures eventually bottomed out during the "Little Ice Age," a period of widespread cooling that lasted roughly from the 16th to the mid-19th centuries.

Even though the orbital cycle that produced the cooling continued, it was overwhelmed in the 20th century by human-induced warming. The result was summer temperatures in the Arctic by the year 2000 that were about 1.4 degrees C (2.5 degrees F) higher than would have been expected from the continued cyclical cooling alone.

"If it hadn't been for the increase in human-produced greenhouse gases, summer temperatures in the Arctic should have cooled gradually over the last century," says Bette Otto-Bliesner, an NCAR scientist who participated in the study.

Natural archives of Arctic climate

To reconstruct Arctic temperatures over the last 2,000 years, the study team incorporated three types of field-based data, each of which captured the response of a different component of the Arctic's climate system to changes in temperature.

These data included temperature reconstructions published by the study team earlier this year. The reconstructions were based on evidence provided by sediments from Arctic lakes, which yielded two kinds of clues: changes in the abundance of silica remnants left behind by algae, which reflect the length of the growing season, and the thickness of annually deposited sediment layers, which increases during warmer summers as deposits from glacial meltwater increase.

The research also incorporated previously published data from glacial ice and tree rings that were calibrated against the instrumental temperature record.

The scientists compared the temperatures inferred from the field-based data with simulations run with the Community Climate System Model, a computer model of global climate based at NCAR. The model's estimate of the reduction of seasonal sunlight in the Arctic and the resulting cooling was consistent with the analysis of the lake sediments and other natural archives. These results give scientists more confidence in computer projections of future Arctic temperatures.

"This study provides a clear example of how increased greenhouse gases are now changing our climate, ending at least 2,000 years of Arctic cooling," says NCAR scientist Caspar Ammann, a co-author.

The new study follows previous work showing that temperatures over the last century warmed almost three times faster in the Arctic than elsewhere in the Northern Hemisphere. This phenomenon, called Arctic amplification, occurs as highly reflective Arctic ice and snow melt away, allowing dark land and exposed ocean to absorb more sunlight.

"Because we know that the processes responsible for past Arctic amplification are still operating, we can anticipate that it will continue into the next century," says Gifford Miller of the University of Colorado at Boulder, a member of the study team. "Consequently, Arctic warming will continue to exceed temperature increases in the rest of the Northern Hemisphere, resulting in accelerated loss of land ice and an increased rate of sea level rise, with global consequences."

Publication: Science, September 4, 2009

UCAR's terms of use - Permitted Use. The user is granted the right to use the Site for non-commercial, non-profit research, or educational purposes only, without any fee or cost.

I then conducted a brief seminar on just how GISS has mangled what USED TO BE great looking and jam-packed Arctic Temperature records into completely sanitized and worthless data products. And EXACTLY how the larceny really looks.

Actually you then conducted your usual display of clueless ignorance and retarded misunderstandings with more propaganda, misinformation and lies about subjects you're far to stupid to comprehend. But of course, in denier cult retardo-land, worthless, politically motivated drivel from uneducated amateurs is way better than actual scientific data from NASA scientists.

 

[skookerasbil]

"One article from Nature".....or all of the articles and scientific studies done on this topic....it wouldn't matter because you're a dimwitted deluded denier cultist and you just ignore all of the science that disagrees with your politically determined 'opinions' anyway.




You can flap your lips a lot, fecalhead, and deny the science and deny reality all you want but you can never seem to actually back up your bogus claims with any real evidence. That right there says a lot about you and all of the other retarded denier cultists who also post clueless nonsense like yours on here. You fools are the modern equivalent of The Flat Earth Society.

Why I've worked HARD in this thread to "back up my claims"..

Yeah, right, you've worked so "HARD".....parroting nonsense off of denier cult blogs....LOLOLOL.

You very much of remind me of some poor unfortunate kid in the 'Special' Olympics who tries so hard but in the end is still a spastic retard who trips over his own feet, falls flat on his face, then jumps up and stumbles in the wrong direction. It just breaks your heart to watch someone try so 'HARD' and still deliver a horribly ludicrous performance that they are too retarded to realize is so awful and embarrassing to watch. That's you, to a T.

Let's look closely at the clueless drivel you tried so 'HARD' to present.

Let's see.. I posted an archival temp record from NASA of the Arctic showing a prolonged and significant rise in temp during the 30s and 40s..

Yes, fecalhead, you posted a NASA graph that stops in the year 2001. Since this last decade was the warmest decade on record and since most of the Arctic ice cap shrinkage has occurred in the last decade, this is called "cherry-picking". You ignored the trend line for the last thirty years up to 2001 (+0.48° C per decade). You seem to be wrongly assuming that anthropogenic global warming didn't start until after the 1940's. You make the entirely unsupported assumption that because Arctic temperatures were warmer than average in the 1930's and 40's, the ice cover must have melted back like it is today. Wrong. Are you really so stupid that you could imagine that the Arctic ice could have lost half its area and most of its volume in that time period and no one would have noticed? LOLOLOLOLOL.....you are such a silly retard.....

Here's the text that accompanied that graph you posted.
"Evidence of Arctic Warming
Comiso’s new study presents some striking trends. When compared to longer- term, ground-based surface temperature data, the rate of warming in the Arctic from 1981 to 2001 is eight times larger than the rate of Arctic warming over the last 100 years. There have also been some remarkable seasonal changes. Arctic spring, summer, and autumn have each warmed, lengthening the seasons when sea ice melts by 10 to 17 days per decade. Temperatures increased on average by almost one and a quarter (1.22) degrees Celsius (C) per decade over sea ice in the Arctic summer. Conversely, Arctic winters cooled from the 1980s to the 1990s. The study finds that winters were almost 1 (0.89) degree C cooler per decade.

Here's an article with the graph that actually shows the information in the current context. The Arctic warming in the 30's and 40's was no where near as great as the warming is today and just represents an earlier surge of the anthropogenic warming that started in the 1800's.

Arctic Warming Overtakes 2,000 Years of Natural Cooling
University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
September 03, 2009
(material is free to reproduce for educational purposes - see site 'terms of use' at end)

BOULDER—Arctic temperatures in the 1990s reached their warmest level of any decade in at least 2,000 years, new research indicates. The study, which incorporates geologic records and computer simulations, provides new evidence that the Arctic would be cooling if not for greenhouse gas emissions that are overpowering natural climate patterns.

The international study, led by Northern Arizona University and the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR), will be published in the September 4 edition of Science. It was primarily funded by the National Science Foundation, NCAR's sponsor.

The scientists reconstructed summer temperatures across the Arctic over the last 2,000 years by decade, extending a view of climate far beyond the 400 years of Arctic-wide records previously available at that level of detail. They found that thousands of years of gradual Arctic cooling, related to natural changes in Earth's orbit, would continue today if not for emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases.

New research shows that the Arctic reversed a long-term cooling trend and began warming rapidly in recent decades. The blue line shows estimates of Arctic temperatures over the last 2,000 years, based on proxy records from lake sediments, ice cores and tree rings. The green line shows the long-term cooling trend. The red line shows the recent warming based on actual observations. A 2000-year transient climate simulation with NCAR?s Community Climate System Model shows the same overall temperature decrease as does the proxy temperature reconstruction, which gives scientists confidence that their estimates are accurate. (Courtesy Science, modified by UCAR.)

"This result is particularly important because the Arctic, perhaps more than any other region on Earth, is facing dramatic impacts from climate change," says NCAR scientist David Schneider, one of the co-authors. "This study provides us with a long-term record that reveals how greenhouse gases from human activities are overwhelming the Arctic's natural climate system."

Darrell Kaufman of Northern Arizona University, the lead author and head of the synthesis project, says the results indicate that recent warming is more anomalous than previously documented.

"Scientists have known for a while that the current period of warming was preceded by a long-term cooling trend," says Kaufman. "But our reconstruction quantifies the cooling with greater certainty than before."

Greenhouse gases overtake a natural cycle

The new study is the first to quantify a pervasive cooling across the Arctic on a decade-by-decade basis that is related to an approximately 21,000-year cyclical wobble in Earth's tilt relative to the Sun. Over the last 7,000 years, the timing of Earth's closest pass by the Sun has shifted from September to January. This has gradually reduced the intensity of sunlight reaching the Arctic in summertime, when Earth is farther from the Sun.

The research team's temperature analysis shows that summer temperatures in the Arctic, in step with the reduced energy from the Sun, cooled at an average rate of about 0.2 degrees Celsius (about .36 degrees Fahrenheit) per thousand years. The temperatures eventually bottomed out during the "Little Ice Age," a period of widespread cooling that lasted roughly from the 16th to the mid-19th centuries.

Even though the orbital cycle that produced the cooling continued, it was overwhelmed in the 20th century by human-induced warming. The result was summer temperatures in the Arctic by the year 2000 that were about 1.4 degrees C (2.5 degrees F) higher than would have been expected from the continued cyclical cooling alone.

"If it hadn't been for the increase in human-produced greenhouse gases, summer temperatures in the Arctic should have cooled gradually over the last century," says Bette Otto-Bliesner, an NCAR scientist who participated in the study.

Natural archives of Arctic climate

To reconstruct Arctic temperatures over the last 2,000 years, the study team incorporated three types of field-based data, each of which captured the response of a different component of the Arctic's climate system to changes in temperature.

These data included temperature reconstructions published by the study team earlier this year. The reconstructions were based on evidence provided by sediments from Arctic lakes, which yielded two kinds of clues: changes in the abundance of silica remnants left behind by algae, which reflect the length of the growing season, and the thickness of annually deposited sediment layers, which increases during warmer summers as deposits from glacial meltwater increase.

The research also incorporated previously published data from glacial ice and tree rings that were calibrated against the instrumental temperature record.

The scientists compared the temperatures inferred from the field-based data with simulations run with the Community Climate System Model, a computer model of global climate based at NCAR. The model's estimate of the reduction of seasonal sunlight in the Arctic and the resulting cooling was consistent with the analysis of the lake sediments and other natural archives. These results give scientists more confidence in computer projections of future Arctic temperatures.

"This study provides a clear example of how increased greenhouse gases are now changing our climate, ending at least 2,000 years of Arctic cooling," says NCAR scientist Caspar Ammann, a co-author.

The new study follows previous work showing that temperatures over the last century warmed almost three times faster in the Arctic than elsewhere in the Northern Hemisphere. This phenomenon, called Arctic amplification, occurs as highly reflective Arctic ice and snow melt away, allowing dark land and exposed ocean to absorb more sunlight.

"Because we know that the processes responsible for past Arctic amplification are still operating, we can anticipate that it will continue into the next century," says Gifford Miller of the University of Colorado at Boulder, a member of the study team. "Consequently, Arctic warming will continue to exceed temperature increases in the rest of the Northern Hemisphere, resulting in accelerated loss of land ice and an increased rate of sea level rise, with global consequences."

Publication: Science, September 4, 2009

UCAR's terms of use - Permitted Use. The user is granted the right to use the Site for non-commercial, non-profit research, or educational purposes only, without any fee or cost.

I then conducted a brief seminar on just how GISS has mangled what USED TO BE great looking and jam-packed Arctic Temperature records into completely sanitized and worthless data products. And EXACTLY how the larceny really looks.

Actually you then conducted your usual display of clueless ignorance and retarded misunderstandings with more propaganda, misinformation and lies about subjects you're far to stupid to comprehend. But of course, in denier cult retardo-land, worthless, politically motivated drivel from uneducated amateurs is way better than actual scientific data from NASA scientists.

 

[RollingThunder]

# # # #

The clueless denier cultist

What will he say?

Actually......nothing with any significance or real meaning. But he'll say it repeatedly and pointlessly, ad nauseum, as a kind of salute to his own retardedness.

 

[skookerasbil]

# # # #

The clueless denier cultist

What will he say?

Actually......nothing with any significance or real meaning. But he'll say it repeatedly and pointlessly, ad nauseum, as a kind of salute to his own retardedness.

Keep showin' up s0n!!

 

[flacaltenn]

Real unfortunate that more than 1/2 that warming happened around 1930 to 1940 BEFORE we had a chance to put those massive amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere. That's why that Am Met Soc Journal article I posted called the Arctic melt in that decade "one of the most significant meteorological events in the 20th century"...

And a lot of the "warming" there since has been cooked up by GISS manipulatiing the Arctic temp recording sites to make graphs like this one look MORE SCARY...

Did Mamooth get the part about the earth "wobble" changing the month of closest approach to the sun from Sept to January over the last 7000 years?? Naaaaaw --- there's no Natural 21,000 yr cycle there. just kook fringe conspiracy theories..

 

[mamooth]

Did Mamooth get the part about the earth "wobble" changing the month of closest approach to the sun from Sept to January over the last 7000 years?? Naaaaaw --- there's no Natural 21,000 yr cycle there. just kook fringe conspiracy theories..

At least you're talking more sense now, moving away from your handwaving about magic unexplained 60-year cycles. I've talked about the Milankovitch cycles in past posts, so it's good to see you to finally catch up with the current science. I never said there were no natural cycles. I pointed out that those natural cycles are pushing a slight cooling trend now. Since we now see strong warming, clearly something new is at work. It's either man-made, or it's a natural cycle that we have no clue at all about. Lacking any evidence of the latter, and having good evidence of the former, we make the obvious conclusion.

 

[Old Rocks]

Yes, but Mamooth, you are not allowed to make that conclusion. In spite of the physics of the absorption spectra of the GHGs, in spite of all the temperature measurements and observations of the edge of the ice by whalers and others since the 19th century, the Arctic cannot be warming that fast, nor the ice melting this quickly.

You see, it conflicts with the dingleberries political and ideological model, therefore it cannot exist. All those pointy headed scientists from all the differant nations are in on a vast international conspiricy, yessireee bob!

 

[RollingThunder]

# # # #

The clueless denier cultist

What will he say?

Actually......nothing with any significance or real meaning. But he'll say it repeatedly and pointlessly, ad nauseum, as a kind of salute to his own retardedness.

Keep showin' up s0n!!

Keep on being a complete retard, kookiepukie. Morons like you are one of the best demonstrations of how clueless and confused the denier cult movement actually is.

 

[bripat9643]

Who gives a fuck about the goddamned ice-cap ?

Fucking asswipe...

A great many people, such as farmers, and all that eat the products of the farms. Except those like you, Warts, that are just too stupid to realize that something is happening and causing major damage to crops worldwide.

Crop yields will increase if the globe warms. That must be why farmers are unhappy. Gluts are bad for profits.

 

[RollingThunder]

Who gives a fuck about the goddamned ice-cap ?

Fucking asswipe...

A great many people, such as farmers, and all that eat the products of the farms. Except those like you, Warts, that are just too stupid to realize that something is happening and causing major damage to crops worldwide.

Crop yields will increase if the globe warms. That must be why farmers are unhappy. Gluts are bad for profits.

I've noticed that you are always wrong about everything. You must be extraordinarily ignorant and unbelievably retarded to post the crackpot drivel you come up with.

A Warming Planet Struggles to Feed Itself
The New York Times
By JUSTIN GILLIS
Published: June 4, 2011
(excerpts)

The rapid growth in farm output that defined the late 20th century has slowed to the point that it is failing to keep up with the demand for food, driven by population increases and rising affluence in once-poor countries. Consumption of the four staples that supply most human calories — wheat, rice, corn and soybeans — has outstripped production for much of the past decade, drawing once-large stockpiles down to worrisome levels. The imbalance between supply and demand has resulted in two huge spikes in international grain prices since 2007, with some grains more than doubling in cost. Those price jumps, though felt only moderately in the West, have worsened hunger for tens of millions of poor people, destabilizing politics in scores of countries, from Mexico to Uzbekistan to Yemen. The Haitian government was ousted in 2008 amid food riots, and anger over high prices has played a role in the recent Arab uprisings.

Now, the latest scientific research suggests that a previously discounted factor is helping to destabilize the food system: climate change. Many of the failed harvests of the past decade were a consequence of weather disasters, like floods in the United States, drought in Australia and blistering heat waves in Europe and Russia. Scientists believe some, though not all, of those events were caused or worsened by human-induced global warming. Temperatures are rising rapidly during the growing season in some of the most important agricultural countries, and a paper published several weeks ago found that this had shaved several percentage points off potential yields, adding to the price gyrations.

A rising unease about the future of the world’s food supply came through during interviews this year with more than 50 agricultural experts working in nine countries. Farmers everywhere face rising difficulties: water shortages as well as flash floods. Their crops are afflicted by emerging pests and diseases and by blasts of heat beyond anything they remember. In a recent interview on the far side of the world, in northeastern India, a rice farmer named Ram Khatri Yadav offered his own complaint about the changing climate. “It will not rain in the rainy season, but it will rain in the nonrainy season,” he said. “The cold season is also shrinking.” ...And erratic weather began eating into yields. A 2003 heat wave in Europe that some researchers believe was worsened by human-induced global warming slashed agricultural output in some countries by as much as 30 percent. A long drought in Australia, also possibly linked to climate change, cut wheat and rice production. In 2007 and 2008, with grain stockpiles low, prices doubled and in some cases tripled. Whole countries began hoarding food, and panic buying ensued in some markets, notably for rice. Food riots broke out in more than 30 countries.

 

[skookerasbil]

A great many people, such as farmers, and all that eat the products of the farms. Except those like you, Warts, that are just too stupid to realize that something is happening and causing major damage to crops worldwide.

Crop yields will increase if the globe warms. That must be why farmers are unhappy. Gluts are bad for profits.

I've noticed that you are always wrong about everything. You must be extraordinarily ignorant and unbelievably retarded to post the crackpot drivel you come up with.

A Warming Planet Struggles to Feed Itself
The New York Times
By JUSTIN GILLIS
Published: June 4, 2011
(excerpts)

The rapid growth in farm output that defined the late 20th century has slowed to the point that it is failing to keep up with the demand for food, driven by population increases and rising affluence in once-poor countries. Consumption of the four staples that supply most human calories — wheat, rice, corn and soybeans — has outstripped production for much of the past decade, drawing once-large stockpiles down to worrisome levels. The imbalance between supply and demand has resulted in two huge spikes in international grain prices since 2007, with some grains more than doubling in cost. Those price jumps, though felt only moderately in the West, have worsened hunger for tens of millions of poor people, destabilizing politics in scores of countries, from Mexico to Uzbekistan to Yemen. The Haitian government was ousted in 2008 amid food riots, and anger over high prices has played a role in the recent Arab uprisings.

Now, the latest scientific research suggests that a previously discounted factor is helping to destabilize the food system: climate change. Many of the failed harvests of the past decade were a consequence of weather disasters, like floods in the United States, drought in Australia and blistering heat waves in Europe and Russia. Scientists believe some, though not all, of those events were caused or worsened by human-induced global warming. Temperatures are rising rapidly during the growing season in some of the most important agricultural countries, and a paper published several weeks ago found that this had shaved several percentage points off potential yields, adding to the price gyrations.

A rising unease about the future of the world’s food supply came through during interviews this year with more than 50 agricultural experts working in nine countries. Farmers everywhere face rising difficulties: water shortages as well as flash floods. Their crops are afflicted by emerging pests and diseases and by blasts of heat beyond anything they remember. In a recent interview on the far side of the world, in northeastern India, a rice farmer named Ram Khatri Yadav offered his own complaint about the changing climate. “It will not rain in the rainy season, but it will rain in the nonrainy season,” he said. “The cold season is also shrinking.” ...And erratic weather began eating into yields. A 2003 heat wave in Europe that some researchers believe was worsened by human-induced global warming slashed agricultural output in some countries by as much as 30 percent. A long drought in Australia, also possibly linked to climate change, cut wheat and rice production. In 2007 and 2008, with grain stockpiles low, prices doubled and in some cases tripled. Whole countries began hoarding food, and panic buying ensued in some markets, notably for rice. Food riots broke out in more than 30 countries.

 

[Noah_raffi]

ok. good

 

[Old Rocks]

Who gives a fuck about the goddamned ice-cap ?

Fucking asswipe...

A great many people, such as farmers, and all that eat the products of the farms. Except those like you, Warts, that are just too stupid to realize that something is happening and causing major damage to crops worldwide.

Crop yields will increase if the globe warms. That must be why farmers are unhappy. Gluts are bad for profits.

Sure, Pattycake, they surely increased in our Midwest this year, didn't they.

http://www.fsa.usda.gov/Internet/FSA_File/disaster_map_cropyr_2012.pdf

Then there is the little matter of the heat and drought in Russia. For two of the last three years they have had major crop losses there.

Choppy wheat outlook