Has anyone changed

[candycorn]

So, you have changed. You've gotten even stupider.

Exhibit A of my source of pride: I'm not often lumped in with people who use words like "stupider". The incessant sniping, profanity, doom-and-gloom, morose and lack of civility is apparent in almost every post from these people on the right. So, for that reason alone, I'm happy to not be associated with them.

Lack of civility? you mean from people who equate homo marriage with homo executions? and yes you are proper, morally superior east coast liberal type......in other words you're not honest, both sides lack civility......dont kid your self....mighty one!

"I havent, but it does confirm every stereotype about liberals I've heard.....no logic, reason or truth....and they are not tolerant......they are MILITANT homo lovers....and I mean there is no room for disagreement with these folks....... "

Exhibit B.

 

[flacaltenn]

Yeah -- I've gone from alternative media and 3rd party politics is gonna save this country -- to ---
there is no hope..

Like many others I assume -- I'm appalled at the amount of time spent on NOT DECIDING ISSUES (like the OP asks) -- but on who's side does something worse??

When you only have 2 sides, you only have to be less corrupt, less inept, and less hypocritical than your competition..

 

[Black_Label]

Wonder if anyone on these boards has changed their position on one or more political issues as a result of the arguments put forth by a board poster? Has anyone changed their politics?

I'm much more proud of the liberal stances I've taken.

Same here. After seeing how absolutely disgusting the filthy animals on the hard right are, I've even further planted my stances on the left.

 

[Black_Label]

Every stereotype about hard right extremists have been validated. They have no logic, they consider opinion to be evidence, have no tolerance for any who disagree with them. No need to respect them or their ill-logic has revealed itself to the sensible, moral American. The exceptions among them prove the rule about them.

Sorry man, you are the poster for the fake independant.....leftwing hack that doesnt have the balls to admit it....plus you offer nothing to a debate......

Jake is one of the rarest form of individuals in politics, the sane republican. You guys on the hard right could learn something from him

 

[candycorn]

Wonder if anyone on these boards has changed their position on one or more political issues as a result of the arguments put forth by a board poster? Has anyone changed their politics?

I'm much more proud of the liberal stances I've taken.

Same here. After seeing how absolutely disgusting the filthy animals on the hard right are, I've even further planted my stances on the left.

Yes; often the best reason to be a liberal is the diminishing quality of the alternative. I just couldn't stomach being on the same team with birthers. At some point, you have to question the character of those who hold conference with such people; do you not?

 

[Caroljo]

Every stereotype about hard right extremists have been validated. They have no logic, they consider opinion to be evidence, have no tolerance for any who disagree with them. No need to respect them or their ill-logic has revealed itself to the sensible, moral American. The exceptions among them prove the rule about them.

You know...that exact same statement can be said about the hard left extremists.

 

[emilynghiem]

I havent, but it does confirm every stereotype about liberals I've heard.....no logic, reason or truth....and they are not tolerant......they are MILITANT homo lovers....and I mean there is no room for disagreement with these folks.......

HI Buckeye I would probably defy every stereotype about liberals except being prochoice

I work with prolife, with fundamental Christians, with gay atheists, with conservative Republicans equally as Greens socialist-workers and fellow Democrats.

I adhere to constitutional principles that align with the most effective solutions and approaches by the various parties, and do not support positions that preclude discriminate or deny the solutions of other groups. I believe in resolving conflicts to prevent from imposing bias and favoring sides unfairly at the expense of excluding others which I hold to be unconstitutional. So I take prochoice to such an extreme as to protect all views equally and to require conflicts to be resolved that would otherwise compromise inclusion.

You may have better luck redefining me as something other than liberal progressive Democrat, since I will not fit the stereotype in your head.

My boyfriend and other friends say I am not a real Democrat either because I am more Constitutionalist so I align with conservative Christians and Republicans except if they freak out about the prochoice part. Have fun holding on to your stereoptypes.

I can't stand the stereotypical liberal Democrat either when it comes to funding and voting for candidates (instead of doing the work to implement solutions directly as I believe in).

The difference is I have been working "within the community" to correct the problems causing that dependence on govt or politicians to fix things when this is not happening.
Criticizing from the outside as an opponent only makes the problem worse.
The only way I know to break out of the cycle of poverty and victim mentality
is to work with the actual constituency as a peer to organize solutions from within.

Every party has its real leaders that are suppressed to go with what looks and sounds good. I try to connect with the real solutions in each group and bring that out instead.
Not the stereotypes on the outside that just keep people divided, enslaved and entangled.
Those are real too, I don't deny that, but it's just a barrier a facade that gets in the way.

 

[Liability]

The short answer is yes.

I was not terribly persuaded that the 2nd Amendment required that we all have a right to carry 'assault' weapons. Indeed, I do not know what gun couldn't qualify as a weapon capable of inflicting an assault.

But anyway, I opened up my mind to the somewhat angry reaction of the more veteran conservatives and after a while I came to see that (subject to some reasonable restrictions which I still admit to this day), the second amendment is NOT limited to the guns carried by those in today's equivalent of the old "militias."

A review of the history of the Second Amendment makes the meaning clearer than the words themselves.

So, it took some sound conservative thinking to change my mind.

Libs tend not to address these issues with much clarity or force of logic. Appeals to emotionalism are not all that effective in terms of persuasion.

 

[Liability]

Every stereotype about hard right extremists have been validated. They have no logic, they consider opinion to be evidence, have no tolerance for any who disagree with them. No need to respect them or their ill-logic has revealed itself to the sensible, moral American. The exceptions among them prove the rule about them.

The only "stereotype" evidenced in Fakey's post ^ is that poseurs like him pontificate a lot but are hostile to integrity.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Exhibit A of my source of pride: I'm not often lumped in with people who use words like "stupider". The incessant sniping, profanity, doom-and-gloom, morose and lack of civility is apparent in almost every post from these people on the right. So, for that reason alone, I'm happy to not be associated with them.

Lack of civility? you mean from people who equate homo marriage with homo executions? and yes you are proper, morally superior east coast liberal type......in other words you're not honest, both sides lack civility......dont kid your self....mighty one!

"I havent, but it does confirm every stereotype about liberals I've heard.....no logic, reason or truth....and they are not tolerant......they are MILITANT homo lovers....and I mean there is no room for disagreement with these folks....... "

Exhibit B.

Ok I'm going to try rational thought on someone who is not rational.

Do you think anti gay marriage people gay bashers?

 

[Neotrotsky]

Wonder if anyone on these boards has changed their position on one or more political issues as a result of the arguments put forth by a board poster? Has anyone changed their politics?

Before I was pretty sure voting for Papa Obama would not be a good thing

Now I am damn sure it would not be a good thing
and recommend all not to vote for him.

 

[Againsheila]

Wonder if anyone on these boards has changed their position on one or more political issues as a result of the arguments put forth by a board poster? Has anyone changed their politics?

my essential politics?

no.

but i have been convinced that i was wrong on an issue.

I was wrong once. I thought for a moment, I had made a mistake.

You know, those of you who think you're perfect are really annoying to those of us who are perfect.

 

[Againsheila]

Yeah -- I've gone from alternative media and 3rd party politics is gonna save this country -- to ---
there is no hope..

Like many others I assume -- I'm appalled at the amount of time spent on NOT DECIDING ISSUES (like the OP asks) -- but on who's side does something worse??

When you only have 2 sides, you only have to be less corrupt, less inept, and less hypocritical than your competition..

Yep, I'm with you on that.

 

[emilynghiem]

Every stereotype about hard right extremists have been validated. They have no logic, they consider opinion to be evidence, have no tolerance for any who disagree with them. No need to respect them or their ill-logic has revealed itself to the sensible, moral American. The exceptions among them prove the rule about them.

Hi Jake: well if you come at them with your own logic and values of course they are going to reject you. I have had better experience working within the parameters and values of the person I am addressing, including the far right extreme (as with the far left extreme).

the worst problem I encounter with either, is when they start associating "me" with whatever group they are decidedly against, and projecting onto me as if I am that thing they detest and blame so much they have trouble forgiving it.

If we can get past that fear, then we can talk where we align, and also address what is really wrong or needs to be corrected with that "other group" so the problem CAN be resolved and forgiven (instead of projecting rejection and opposition onto anything related to it, which causes the barriers and
appearance of unwillingness to address things logically)

It is when people take a stereotype in their minds and start projecting that onto me or others as "representing that group" where the communication breaks down. Once the defensive walls go up, that is what fuels the perception there is no logic or discussion with such people. they go into reactionary mode, and that's all you can see from the outside because they won't let you get any closer!

In reality, behind these facades and barriers, people do have their values and ways of expressing their standards and reasons, their "logic" if you will.

If emotions from unresolved issues prevent us from connecting so we can speak each others language
consistently within each system, that doesn't mean that person's logic or line of thinking cannot be reasoned with. It means we haven't established an open connection because fear of differences gets in the way.

I see that as an equal failure on both sides, and equal responsibility to correct
so we can communicate across different sets of values and cultural experiences.

the barriers are usually mutual, everyone has personal buttons or biases that
cause us to project onto other people when we are pushed to that point!

 

[Jackson]

Wonder if anyone on these boards has changed their position on one or more political issues as a result of the arguments put forth by a board poster? Has anyone changed their politics?

I can't say any of my positions were changed by any one poster, but my position has changed on my support of Obama since his early days of his presidency. As I was a cautious supporter and hopeful, I waited and saw in time was a dismal failure.

I listened to others and came to my own conclusion that his politics was not something that was good for this country.

 

[DiamondDave]

I have become more of a constitutionalist than a republican
I have grown in hatred more of wingers on all sides of the political spectrum
I realize more now how devout the mindless wingers are

 

[buckeye45_73]

I havent, but it does confirm every stereotype about liberals I've heard.....no logic, reason or truth....and they are not tolerant......they are MILITANT homo lovers....and I mean there is no room for disagreement with these folks.......

HI Buckeye I would probably defy every stereotype about liberals except being prochoice

I work with prolife, with fundamental Christians, with gay atheists, with conservative Republicans equally as Greens socialist-workers and fellow Democrats.

I adhere to constitutional principles that align with the most effective solutions and approaches by the various parties, and do not support positions that preclude discriminate or deny the solutions of other groups. I believe in resolving conflicts to prevent from imposing bias and favoring sides unfairly at the expense of excluding others which I hold to be unconstitutional. So I take prochoice to such an extreme as to protect all views equally and to require conflicts to be resolved that would otherwise compromise inclusion.

You may have better luck redefining me as something other than liberal progressive Democrat, since I will not fit the stereotype in your head.

My boyfriend and other friends say I am not a real Democrat either because I am more Constitutionalist so I align with conservative Christians and Republicans except if they freak out about the prochoice part. Have fun holding on to your stereoptypes.

I can't stand the stereotypical liberal Democrat either when it comes to funding and voting for candidates (instead of doing the work to implement solutions directly as I believe in).

The difference is I have been working "within the community" to correct the problems causing that dependence on govt or politicians to fix things when this is not happening.
Criticizing from the outside as an opponent only makes the problem worse.
The only way I know to break out of the cycle of poverty and victim mentality
is to work with the actual constituency as a peer to organize solutions from within.

Every party has its real leaders that are suppressed to go with what looks and sounds good. I try to connect with the real solutions in each group and bring that out instead.
Not the stereotypes on the outside that just keep people divided, enslaved and entangled.
Those are real too, I don't deny that, but it's just a barrier a facade that gets in the way.

Yeah I can respect people that are consistant. And I dont know what to classify you as of yet.....but it's usually pretty easy after a few posts.....If you are just a blind follower I love to make fun of it. It seems like you're very serious and we can have a civilized arguement, whether we agree or disagree. The problem is I like people to be honest. Now liberals willl say I a right wing hack, I am right wing and proud of it....I'm not a hack....I'm not a strong Romney supporter....you'll see in my posts that I dont always love him.....but the liberals will agree with everything Obama says....

it's amazing....I said the British Olympic story was that Romney said was stupid, and while it was true, he shouldnt have said it. That's how I roll. I work with liberals, I live in MEmphis and work among blacks and even gays, hang out with some of them afterwork, but we all know how we feel, we're honest and can debate things rationally. One of my good friends even asked me (and he's black) if I'd ever used the word ******, I said yeah, lots of times, usually when I see Jesse Jackson and his jaw almost dropped (he thought I'd do the polite thing and lie) but we're good, and he's a good friend and we hit the casinos in Tunica quite a bit....just a small sample of how things SHOULD work....people should be honest and things would get better.

For you you sound like you're committed to helping people and that's great, I do volunteer work as well and I probably should do some missions, we need it in this country....really really bad.
But yeah I know lots of liberals that are not nuts, my dad is a scientist/professor at UT-Memphis and I've seen lots of people and befriend them from around the world and not all liberals are nuts, I still think they're wrong, but not as crazy as the jokers on this board.


But yeah working with people is rewarding, and it feels great to help, especially if you are designing solutions.....you just have to check results and if it's not working, go back to the drawing board. As for the Constitutionalist that's great, I mean you have to have a basis and that's the the Constitution is...as basis or foundation to build the country, the problem is some want to get rid of it, and they do it with the living document scheme, which just means we'll put our values on it and so it renders it useless....

But it's good to see someone that can speak without being a troll and I look forward to more conversations!

 

[The T]

I have become more of a constitutionalist than a republican
I have grown in hatred more of wingers on all sides of the political spectrum
I realize more now how devout the mindless wingers are

YOU are correct and subscribe to george Washinton's take on parties and thier deleterious effects on the founding of the Republic, and it's preservation.

Society may change. Simple truths and principles never do. Truth has no agenda...nor knows any time limit.

Well stated.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Sorry, dude, you are the rule of far right extremist unexceptionalism. You are merely a shadow of what you would like to think you are, but in fact are shallow, vain, uninspired, uneducated . .. in other words a drip.

Every stereotype about hard right extremists have been validated. They have no logic, they consider opinion to be evidence, have no tolerance for any who disagree with them. No need to respect them or their ill-logic has revealed itself to the sensible, moral American. The exceptions among them prove the rule about them.

Sorry man, you are the poster for the fake independant.....leftwing hack that doesnt have the balls to admit it....plus you offer nothing to a debate......

 

[JakeStarkey]

Of course it can, Caroljo.

And the far left and the far right and the libertarians refuse to realize what caricatures they are of true American values.

So expect them to vilify those who better represent those values.

Every stereotype about hard right extremists have been validated. They have no logic, they consider opinion to be evidence, have no tolerance for any who disagree with them. No need to respect them or their ill-logic has revealed itself to the sensible, moral American. The exceptions among them prove the rule about them.

You know...that exact same statement can be said about the hard left extremists.