Hanoi Jane

[Grace]

You can read it on post #185 of this thread.

I saw it right after he posted it. Then he posted a BS smiley as if he DIDNT say. He damn sure fuckin' did and now hes been filed away in the Fucktard Book Of The Year. And yeah...Id ban his sorry ass over such a comment as well. Fuckin' asshole.

It makes me sick for a piece of crap like GHook93 to disrespect a fallen American soldier like that.


I went to school with "Clark" starting in the 7th grade.

I guess he was 19 years old when I last saw him when we graduated basic training together.

Many years have gone by since his name was engraved on the Wall.

But he will always be 19 in my mind.

Then he must have pm'd you with it after he posted it in the thread cuz I SAW it. Guess he thought better of it and edited it to replace with some other drivel. Problem is...it was seen BEFORE he edited it to remove it. Im sure I wasnt the only one that saw it.
Im sorry you had to read that, Sunni, and that you lost "Clark" in Nam. But your friend will always be your friend in your heart and ghook will always be a fucktard for saying such a thing.

 

[The Gadfly]

The same sort of "attempt" that armchair quarterbacks use about disasterous "5 year plans" after cultural revolutions and such..

In any case..the national guilt over Vietnam was extremely short lived. Aside from an executive order against assassination, a military overhaul of behavior protocols and the "War powers act", the United States went full steam ahead with Military actions right up until the war crime that was Iraq.

"Armchair Quarterbacks?"

Where did you serve, faggot?

43rd Armchair Warrior Brigade?

Put a black cock back into your mouth and ass and STFU -

And there you are talking more about gay sex.

Bodecea,
I know that is a big issue for you, and I know Vietnam was before your time, but could you please, as a former career officer, contribute something else relevant to this thread (either way) in respect of your former brothers-in-arms?

 

[The Gadfly]

I haven't seen his post - but if I did indeed say that, I for once agree with you, 100% on the long vacation suggestion....

It was in a PM that he sent me.

I then posted what he said.

You can read it on post #185 of this thread.

I saw it right after he posted it. Then he posted a BS smiley as if he DIDNT say. He damn sure fuckin' did and now hes been filed away in the Fucktard Book Of The Year. And yeah...Id ban his sorry ass over such a comment as well. Fuckin' asshole.

He posted it, Grace; I saw it too. If he went back and changed it, well, he should have; someone else suggested he was a bit quick with his assumptions, because Sunni's views didn't fit with what he thought was "typical" for Vietnam vets. BTW, Ghook, if you're reading this, be man enough to come back and give Sunni the apology you owe him (because you DO owe him one, in my book). Whatever you thought, what you said was over the top.

 

[The Gadfly]

You can read it on post #185 of this thread.

I saw it right after he posted it. Then he posted a BS smiley as if he DIDNT say. He damn sure fuckin' did and now hes been filed away in the Fucktard Book Of The Year. And yeah...Id ban his sorry ass over such a comment as well. Fuckin' asshole.

It makes me sick for a piece of crap like GHook93 to disrespect a fallen American soldier like that.


I went to school with "Clark" starting in the 7th grade.

I guess he was 19 years old when I last saw him when we graduated basic training together.

Many years have gone by since his name was engraved on the Wall.

But he will always be 19 in my mind.

Sunni, all of us who were there have too many friends who never got to grow old. I guess in the end, all we can do, is keep their memory in our hearts, and hope we lucky ones have done something with our lives, to be worth them giving theirs. You know, if I had it to do over, I would do it again, even knowing all I know now; but war is still an awful business.

 

[bodecea]

"Armchair Quarterbacks?"

Where did you serve, faggot?

43rd Armchair Warrior Brigade?

Put a black cock back into your mouth and ass and STFU -

And there you are talking more about gay sex.

Bodecea,
I know that is a big issue for you, and I know Vietnam was before your time, but could you please, as a former career officer, contribute something else relevant to this thread (either way) in respect of your former brothers-in-arms?

I'm sorry, but I am ONLY commenting on what he is saying. Am I lying? NO I am not. Am I forcing him to post that way? NO I am not.

Now, I look forward to you chastising him too.

 

[The Gadfly]

Shall we talk about you utmost hypocrisy? The seemingly unshakable determination that we and we alone were totally, 100% responsible for Vietnam and all the deaths associated with it and with events afterwards there and in other countries. What would bring about such a vengeful, skewed, myopic attempt at post game armchair quarterbacking with half a playbook in front of you?

The same sort of "attempt" that armchair quarterbacks use about disasterous "5 year plans" after cultural revolutions and such..

In any case..the national guilt over Vietnam was extremely short lived. Aside from an executive order against assassination, a military overhaul of behavior protocols and the "War powers act", the United States went full steam ahead with Military actions right up until the war crime that was Iraq.

"Armchair Quarterbacks?"

Where did you serve, faggot?

43rd Armchair Warrior Brigade?

Put a black cock back into your mouth and ass and STFU -

Sluk,
Please tone it down; the gay references are getting repetitive, and more than a little worn out. I know we have some "Chairborne Warriors" here, and while I don't especially like some of their opinions, we DID serve for their right to express those, no? Let's argue with them on the merits, instead of having a personal pissing contest with them.

 

[Article 15]

You would.

Idiot...

You probably admire Jimmy Carter as well

Ya know what, you're not starting to sound like the conservative village idiot, you willingly jumped in to that roll with both feet. It's people like you that give the majority of conservative a bad name.

Hey Village Idiot - what "roll" did I jump in on?

Let me guess - you're public school educated right? Probably a fucking welfare case too.

Anyone else notice that this guy lacks the ability to come up with any original retorts?

 

[The Gadfly]

Ya know what, you're not starting to sound like the conservative village idiot, you willingly jumped in to that roll with both feet. It's people like you that give the majority of conservative a bad name.

Hey Village Idiot - what "roll" did I jump in on?

Let me guess - you're public school educated right? Probably a fucking welfare case too.

Anyone else notice that this guy lacks the ability to come up with any original retorts?

Umm, I thought I just gave him a hint on that....

 

[Sallow]

Shall we talk about you utmost hypocrisy? The seemingly unshakable determination that we and we alone were totally, 100% responsible for Vietnam and all the deaths associated with it and with events afterwards there and in other countries. What would bring about such a vengeful, skewed, myopic attempt at post game armchair quarterbacking with half a playbook in front of you?

The same sort of "attempt" that armchair quarterbacks use about disasterous "5 year plans" after cultural revolutions and such..

In any case..the national guilt over Vietnam was extremely short lived. Aside from an executive order against assassination, a military overhaul of behavior protocols and the "War powers act", the United States went full steam ahead with Military actions right up until the war crime that was Iraq.

Okay, now I get where you're coming from. Perspective IS awesome, especially when it's basis is so narrowly delved into. Yup, there's no arguing with an ideologue. Have fun!

True.

When reality is tainted by hubris..there is no real point in debate.

Cheers.

 

[uscitizen]

If I can get over the Iran Contra Affair, I find it difficult to understand why others can get over Jane Fonda.

By comparison, the players of the Iran Contra affair were way worse.

Illustrate your Point with Substance...

I bet you can't.



peace...

Umm dealing weapons to an avowed enemy of the USA is treason of the highest order if you are in the govt.
Hanoi Jane was not in the govt and had no official capacity.

 

[Article 15]

Hey Village Idiot - what "roll" did I jump in on?

Let me guess - you're public school educated right? Probably a fucking welfare case too.

Anyone else notice that this guy lacks the ability to come up with any original retorts?

Umm, I thought I just gave him a hint on that....

Yeah but I was more leaning towards his tendancy to parrot what people throw at him.

In this case it's "village idiot"

 

[del]

Shall we talk about you utmost hypocrisy? The seemingly unshakable determination that we and we alone were totally, 100% responsible for Vietnam and all the deaths associated with it and with events afterwards there and in other countries. What would bring about such a vengeful, skewed, myopic attempt at post game armchair quarterbacking with half a playbook in front of you?

The same sort of "attempt" that armchair quarterbacks use about disasterous "5 year plans" after cultural revolutions and such..

In any case..the national guilt over Vietnam was extremely short lived. Aside from an executive order against assassination, a military overhaul of behavior protocols and the "War powers act", the United States went full steam ahead with Military actions right up until the war crime that was Iraq.

"Armchair Quarterbacks?"

Where did you serve, faggot?

43rd Armchair Warrior Brigade?

Put a black cock back into your mouth and ass and STFU -

yeah, you put it on the line every day, washing other people's skivs on an aircraft carrier.



what an asshole

 

[Truthseeker420]

Will she ever be forgiven? SHOULD she ever be forgiven?

I hope she, and John "Effin" Kerry burn in hell for the damage they caused this nation during the Vietnam War.

Pathethic Socialist pigs.....

What did John Kerry do other serve his country?

 

[Mr_Rockhead]

Will she ever be forgiven? SHOULD she ever be forgiven?

I hope she, and John "Effin" Kerry burn in hell for the damage they caused this nation during the Vietnam War.

Pathethic Socialist pigs.....

What did John Kerry do other serve his country?

Well, after he came home and got an early out to run (unsuccessfully) for political office, he took it upon himself to meet with Madam Binh’s delegation at the Paris Peace Talks (even though he had absolutely no official capacity to be there). And there is at least some speculation that he injected himself in these talks to advise the enemy that, if they simply stayed the course, America would eventually pull out of the war.

Then, not long after these meetings, Kerry gave some pretty damning testimony before the U.S. Senate claiming that the our troops were war criminals and comparing our military to the army of Genghis Khan. Of course, this testimony was seen by many as simply helping to advance Madam Binh’s cause.

Kerry was also notorious for throwing his decorations on the trash heap during an anti-war demonstration and making a mockery of all that wore those same decorations and the country that bestowed them on him. Of course, once his anti-war stand proved disastrous to his political ambitions, he soon retrieved those ribbons from the shitcan, dusted them off and hung them on his office wall. But many feel that was way too little, too late. Although, it did help to eventually get him elected.

Also, since all this was done while he was still an officer in the (inactive) Navy Reserves, many feel he was a traitor because America still had troops in harms way while he was up to these shenanigans.

Of course, there are others who feel he was a hero.

And, after all this time, I doubt if anyone's mind will ever be changed.

Thanks again to whoever posted the naked pictures of Jane Fonda before she became the skank that she is. It was a nice trip down memory lane.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I hope she, and John "Effin" Kerry burn in hell for the damage they caused this nation during the Vietnam War.

Pathethic Socialist pigs.....

What did John Kerry do other serve his country?

Well, after he came home and got an early out to run (unsuccessfully) for political office, he took it upon himself to meet with Madam Binh’s delegation at the Paris Peace Talks (even though he had absolutely no official capacity to be there). And there is at least some speculation that he injected himself in these talks to advise the enemy that, if they simply stayed the course, America would eventually pull out of the war.

Then, not long after these meetings, Kerry gave some pretty damning testimony before the U.S. Senate claiming that the our troops were war criminals and comparing our military to the army of Genghis Khan. Of course, this testimony was seen by many as simply helping to advance Madam Binh’s cause.

Kerry was also notorious for throwing his decorations on the trash heap during an anti-war demonstration and making a mockery of all that wore those same decorations and the country that bestowed them on him. Of course, once his anti-war stand proved disastrous to his political ambitions, he soon retrieved those ribbons from the shitcan, dusted them off and hung them on his office wall. But many feel that was way too little too late. Although, it did help to eventually get him elected.

Also, since all this was done while he was still an officer in the (inactive) Navy Reserves, many feel he was a traitor because America still had troops in harms way while he was up to these shenanigans.

Of course, there are others who feel he was a hero.

And, after all this time, I doubt if anyone's mind will ever be changed.

Thanks again to whoever posted the naked pictures of Jane Fonda before she became the skank that she is. It was a nice trip down memory lane.

Kerry knowingly LIED to the Congress of the United States.

 

[Sallow]

What exactly did Kerry "lie" about?

Free fire zones?

Being sent to Cambodia?

Pretty soon Conservatives will have themselves believing that several million Vietnamese committed suicide.

 

[editec]

Originally posted by The Gadfly
Gee, Truth, you could have fooled me! "Pretend war' , huh? Silly me; I suppose those mortar rounds were just marshmallows, and those bullets....just spitballs, I'm sure! Of course, you weren't there to see it, but I guess if Jane Fonda says it's so..... Go tell it to my brothers, who are missing arms and legs; go tell it to the ones who died. Go tell it to those who still relive it in their nightmares; matter of fact, go tell it to all the Vietnamese men, women and children Hanoi Jane's beloved VC and NVA "comrades" tortured, raped, and flat-out murdered. You want the REAL baby-killers, torturers and rapists of Vietnam? Talk to Jane's "comrades", because THEY DID IT, WE DID NOT!

You presume one hell of a lot, for someone who never humped a ruck, never got shot at and never walked point in the jungle. You know, ever since I got home, I've had people like you telling me, what I should think about it, how I should feel about it, and what I should have done about it. You have all the answers; the only problem is, you never bothered to ask the right questions.

Those of us who were there, have a lot of different feelings about it, and we don't all agree. Some think it was right, others think it was wrong, and others still aren't sure. I think what we can all agree on is that we got lied to, and lied about, and got the blame, courtesy of Jane Fonda and the rest of the American Left. You know, being against a war is one thing; cheering for the enemy, waving the enemy flag, and spitting on and cursing American soldiers is another. So is blaming them for things the vast majority never did, and never would have done. I've seen American soldiers give their lives, protecting Vietnamese civilians...but Uncle Walter didn't tell you about that, on the evening news, so it never happened. No, we're just baby killers and war criminals-the Left says so!

I think you told someone to talk to some real Vietnam vets. What about you; ever bother talking to any of us who don't share your politics? Well, here's your chance. The question is, are you going to lecture me, or shut up and actually listen?

FRANCE AND AMERICA'S DISASTROUS INVOLVEMENT IN THE INTERNAL MATTERS OF VIETNAM TURNED A SMALL CIVIL WAR THAT WOULD END IN A FEW WEEKS AFTER THE JAPANESE DEFEAT INTO A WHOLESALE MASSACRE THAT LASTED FOR DECADES, UTTERLY DESTROYED A COUNTRY THAT NEVER DID ANYTHING TO FRANCE AND AMERICA AND COST THE LIVES OF HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF VIETNAMESE, YOU FUCKING CLOWN FROM HELL!!

How cynical and morally depraved does an individual have to be to put the blame on the people of Vietnam for the West's decision to interfere in their civil war??

And who cares about all those french and american GI's anyway??

They were paid to die and I hope they are burning in Hell right now for all the death and destruction they brought to Vietnam.

Kudos to Sallow for being one of the few dissenting voices in this sea of mentally retarded patriotic clowns mindlessly burping "I'm for my country right or wrong"!!

Um..

A Majority of Vets that served in Vietnam..were in a hellish situation. They were drafted, did not want to be there..and went anyway.

Actually not true.

The percentage of draftees during the Viet Nam era was just about identifal to the percentage of draftees during WWII era...roughly 70% of the population.

There is really no significant difference between draftees and enlistees in terms of the percentages of the numbers wounded or killed, numbers recieving medals for valor and so forth.

So contrary to what many of you kids think, the volunteers and enlistees are about equally valuable to the war effort in terms of the quality of their service.

And most served their country honorably. I've known several people who went, and they were good men.

Yup.

The bad press that the VN vets got was pure invention. Statistically they were very similar in every respect to WWII vets.

 

[del]

What exactly did Kerry "lie" about?

Free fire zones?

Being sent to Cambodia?

Pretty soon Conservatives will have themselves believing that several million Vietnamese committed suicide.

kerry was never in cambodia. he absolutely lied about that.

 

[Truthseeker420]

What did John Kerry do other serve his country?

Well, after he came home and got an early out to run (unsuccessfully) for political office, he took it upon himself to meet with Madam Binh’s delegation at the Paris Peace Talks (even though he had absolutely no official capacity to be there). And there is at least some speculation that he injected himself in these talks to advise the enemy that, if they simply stayed the course, America would eventually pull out of the war.

Then, not long after these meetings, Kerry gave some pretty damning testimony before the U.S. Senate claiming that the our troops were war criminals and comparing our military to the army of Genghis Khan. Of course, this testimony was seen by many as simply helping to advance Madam Binh’s cause.

Kerry was also notorious for throwing his decorations on the trash heap during an anti-war demonstration and making a mockery of all that wore those same decorations and the country that bestowed them on him. Of course, once his anti-war stand proved disastrous to his political ambitions, he soon retrieved those ribbons from the shitcan, dusted them off and hung them on his office wall. But many feel that was way too little too late. Although, it did help to eventually get him elected.

Also, since all this was done while he was still an officer in the (inactive) Navy Reserves, many feel he was a traitor because America still had troops in harms way while he was up to these shenanigans.

Of course, there are others who feel he was a hero.

And, after all this time, I doubt if anyone's mind will ever be changed.

Thanks again to whoever posted the naked pictures of Jane Fonda before she became the skank that she is. It was a nice trip down memory lane.

Kerry knowingly LIED to the Congress of the United States.

I think you guys listen tto much to Fox News but I didn hear anyone calling Bush a traitor for being AWOL during war or Reagan lying about being in combat.

 

[Truthseeker420]

Bush lied about his military service, and so did Reagan

Bush lied about his military service, and so did Reagan - Joe Conason - Salon.com