Hamas, Fatah Agree Palestinian Authority To Take Control Of Gaza

[Coyote]

What ever you choose to call the Palestinians they are people and descendents of indiginous people who have lived their as long as the indiginous Jews. Just as we don't have the right to decide how Israel chooses to define itself, neither do we have a right to decide how a people will define itself or whether they have a right to live on land they have lived on for hundreds or thousands of years.

Talk about monumental double standards.

As far as a democratic state it is hard to have a truly democratic state, that is also a religious state. I can't think of any examples.

Some of the Arabs who began calling themselves Palestinians are descended from those who lived in the area previously, whereas some moved into the area after the advent of Zionism because of the economic development brought about. They are Arabs, however, and Arabs already control vast amounts of land. I would be happy to point you in the direction of a map if you are unaware of this fact.

They are not all "Arabs" - they are mix of people who have lived there prior to Arab migrations and Arabs. Who cares if "Arabs" already control vast amounts of land? So do European whites. What does it matter? What mattes is that people live there NOW who have lived there for ages and who suddenly cease to count as people having any sort of rights in your mind because they happen to have the wrong pedigree.

As to the Jewish side of the equation, that tiny piece of land that provides them their self determination amounts to less land per capita than is in Arab hands. Also, the state of Israel represents the aspiration of the Jewish people, most of whom are secular. They constitute an ethnicity, as Zionism was and is still a movement for the Jewish ethnicity -- one that genetic studies prove beyond any shadow of a doubt -- so your claim of Israel being a religious state is disingenuous.

So? Israel can have it's state. I think I've already said that. I just think they don't have the rights to the entire enchilada. The rest of it - so what?

As far as being a "religious state" - in many ways it is. Religion governs marriage, and religion drives and supports Zionist settlements and determines who can or can not get the necessary permits for expansion or new settlements. The distinction between Jew as an ethnicity and Jew as a religion is very blurry. If they want to be recognized as a "Jewish state" - it's their choice. But they can't turn around and say religion doesn't enter in to it.

 

[Coyote]

If Israel wants to be recognized as a "Jewish State" then it might have problems also claiming recogniztion as a democratic state.

I do find it odd how people can create such monumental double standards as they do. They advocate for a Palestinian state for a people who were created out of whole cloth just a few decades ago, but when it comes to a state for Jewish people -- folks who have existed as a people for over 3000 years -- suddenly, it is non Democratic to even acknowledge it as such.

What ever you choose to call the Palestinians they are people and descendents of indiginous people who have lived their as long as the indiginous Jews. Just as we don't have the right to decide how Israel chooses to define itself, neither do we have a right to decide how a people will define itself or whether they have a right to live on land they have lived on for hundreds or thousands of years.

Talk about monumental double standards.

As far as a democratic state it is hard to have a truly democratic state, that is also a religious state. I can't think of any examples.

Indeed, and shouldn't the indigenous population have at least an equal say as to what kind of state will be in their homeland?

I think it's too late for that. Israel exists and isn't going to go away. Too many generations have lived and died there. The Jews also represent an indiginous population. I think 60 years ago...one state could have been possible

Now? Do you think they could exist in one state without destroying that state?

Ireland is still there. South Africa is still there.

Why should the long standing indigenous population take a back seat to the recent arrivals?

Most Palestinian supporters realize that most Israelis were born there and have equal rights to the natives.

Ireland exists as two states.

South Africa had Nelson Mandella to push for reconciliation.

I see no Nelson Mandella's in either Israel or Palestine

 

[P F Tinmore]

I do find it odd how people can create such monumental double standards as they do. They advocate for a Palestinian state for a people who were created out of whole cloth just a few decades ago, but when it comes to a state for Jewish people -- folks who have existed as a people for over 3000 years -- suddenly, it is non Democratic to even acknowledge it as such.

What ever you choose to call the Palestinians they are people and descendents of indiginous people who have lived their as long as the indiginous Jews. Just as we don't have the right to decide how Israel chooses to define itself, neither do we have a right to decide how a people will define itself or whether they have a right to live on land they have lived on for hundreds or thousands of years.

Talk about monumental double standards.

As far as a democratic state it is hard to have a truly democratic state, that is also a religious state. I can't think of any examples.

Indeed, and shouldn't the indigenous population have at least an equal say as to what kind of state will be in their homeland?

I think it's too late for that. Israel exists and isn't going to go away. Too many generations have lived and died there. The Jews also represent an indiginous population. I think 60 years ago...one state could have been possible

Now? Do you think they could exist in one state without destroying that state?

Ireland is still there. South Africa is still there.

Why should the long standing indigenous population take a back seat to the recent arrivals?

Most Palestinian supporters realize that most Israelis were born there and have equal rights to the natives.

Ireland exists as two states.

South Africa had Nelson Mandella to push for reconciliation.

I see no Nelson Mandella's in either Israel or Palestine

There are many people on the Palestinian side advocating for equal rights for all.

I don't, however, see anyone on the Israeli side. Well there are but they are outside of the loop.

 

[Coyote]

What ever you choose to call the Palestinians they are people and descendents of indiginous people who have lived their as long as the indiginous Jews. Just as we don't have the right to decide how Israel chooses to define itself, neither do we have a right to decide how a people will define itself or whether they have a right to live on land they have lived on for hundreds or thousands of years.

Talk about monumental double standards.

As far as a democratic state it is hard to have a truly democratic state, that is also a religious state. I can't think of any examples.

Indeed, and shouldn't the indigenous population have at least an equal say as to what kind of state will be in their homeland?

I think it's too late for that. Israel exists and isn't going to go away. Too many generations have lived and died there. The Jews also represent an indiginous population. I think 60 years ago...one state could have been possible

Now? Do you think they could exist in one state without destroying that state?

Ireland is still there. South Africa is still there.

Why should the long standing indigenous population take a back seat to the recent arrivals?

Most Palestinian supporters realize that most Israelis were born there and have equal rights to the natives.

Ireland exists as two states.

South Africa had Nelson Mandella to push for reconciliation.

I see no Nelson Mandella's in either Israel or Palestine

There are many people on the Palestinian side advocating for equal rights for all.

I don't, however, see anyone on the Israeli side. Well there are but they are outside of the loop.

There are words, actions, and trust.

You say there are "many" who advocate equal rights for all. I am sure there are some.

But given the degree of animosity, distrust and hatred of "the other" (on both sides) - would you, as a Jew, and what would become a minority in a unified nation trust your life, well being and children's future to "words"? Remember, this is a people who were the recipients of continent-wide genocide in living memory. I can understand any reservations and respect them. How would a single state guarantee the rights and protections of all it's citizens - including minorities, without taking it out against their former "oppressors"? Only a completely secular state might have a chance but we're talking about a large number of people (on both sides) who are quite devout. History does not paint a very promising picture here - and, as I said - they have no Nelson Mandella to guide the way and unify them.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Indeed, and shouldn't the indigenous population have at least an equal say as to what kind of state will be in their homeland?

I think it's too late for that. Israel exists and isn't going to go away. Too many generations have lived and died there. The Jews also represent an indiginous population. I think 60 years ago...one state could have been possible

Now? Do you think they could exist in one state without destroying that state?

Ireland is still there. South Africa is still there.

Why should the long standing indigenous population take a back seat to the recent arrivals?

Most Palestinian supporters realize that most Israelis were born there and have equal rights to the natives.

Ireland exists as two states.

South Africa had Nelson Mandella to push for reconciliation.

I see no Nelson Mandella's in either Israel or Palestine

There are many people on the Palestinian side advocating for equal rights for all.

I don't, however, see anyone on the Israeli side. Well there are but they are outside of the loop.

There are words, actions, and trust.

You say there are "many" who advocate equal rights for all. I am sure there are some.

But given the degree of animosity, distrust and hatred of "the other" (on both sides) - would you, as a Jew, and what would become a minority in a unified nation trust your life, well being and children's future to "words"? Remember, this is a people who were the recipients of continent-wide genocide in living memory. I can understand any reservations and respect them. How would a single state guarantee the rights and protections of all it's citizens - including minorities, without taking it out against their former "oppressors"? Only a completely secular state might have a chance but we're talking about a large number of people (on both sides) who are quite devout. History does not paint a very promising picture here - and, as I said - they have no Nelson Mandella to guide the way and unify them.

Very few Palestinians are extremists. There are also conservative, moderate and secular Muslims. Then there are the Christians and a large Jewish minority. I don't see the Jews being thrown into the sea like the fear mongers state.

 

[Kondor3]

...Most Palestinian supporters realize that most Israelis were born there and have equal rights to the natives.

Any Israeli born there IS a native.

 

[Kondor3]

...I don't see the Jews being thrown into the sea like the fear mongers state.

It's not fear mongering to illustrate the blood promises built into the charters of various Palestinian militant groups that currently hold power.

 

[Coyote]

I think it's too late for that. Israel exists and isn't going to go away. Too many generations have lived and died there. The Jews also represent an indiginous population. I think 60 years ago...one state could have been possible

Now? Do you think they could exist in one state without destroying that state?

Ireland is still there. South Africa is still there.

Why should the long standing indigenous population take a back seat to the recent arrivals?

Most Palestinian supporters realize that most Israelis were born there and have equal rights to the natives.

Ireland exists as two states.

South Africa had Nelson Mandella to push for reconciliation.

I see no Nelson Mandella's in either Israel or Palestine

There are many people on the Palestinian side advocating for equal rights for all.

I don't, however, see anyone on the Israeli side. Well there are but they are outside of the loop.

There are words, actions, and trust.

You say there are "many" who advocate equal rights for all. I am sure there are some.

But given the degree of animosity, distrust and hatred of "the other" (on both sides) - would you, as a Jew, and what would become a minority in a unified nation trust your life, well being and children's future to "words"? Remember, this is a people who were the recipients of continent-wide genocide in living memory. I can understand any reservations and respect them. How would a single state guarantee the rights and protections of all it's citizens - including minorities, without taking it out against their former "oppressors"? Only a completely secular state might have a chance but we're talking about a large number of people (on both sides) who are quite devout. History does not paint a very promising picture here - and, as I said - they have no Nelson Mandella to guide the way and unify them.

Very few Palestinians are extremists. There are also conservative, moderate and secular Muslims. Then there are the Christians and a large Jewish minority. I don't see the Jews being thrown into the sea like the fear mongers state.

It's not you or I that needs to be convinced of that - it's them.

When you see Palestinians actually honoring those who attack civilians (for example the murderers of the Fogel family) - where are the voices condemning this and asking for unity? I agree, most aren't religious extremists - but can generations of anger and hate be overcome to create a state where everyone feels safe?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Ireland is still there. South Africa is still there.

Why should the long standing indigenous population take a back seat to the recent arrivals?

Most Palestinian supporters realize that most Israelis were born there and have equal rights to the natives.

Ireland exists as two states.

South Africa had Nelson Mandella to push for reconciliation.

I see no Nelson Mandella's in either Israel or Palestine

There are many people on the Palestinian side advocating for equal rights for all.

I don't, however, see anyone on the Israeli side. Well there are but they are outside of the loop.

There are words, actions, and trust.

You say there are "many" who advocate equal rights for all. I am sure there are some.

But given the degree of animosity, distrust and hatred of "the other" (on both sides) - would you, as a Jew, and what would become a minority in a unified nation trust your life, well being and children's future to "words"? Remember, this is a people who were the recipients of continent-wide genocide in living memory. I can understand any reservations and respect them. How would a single state guarantee the rights and protections of all it's citizens - including minorities, without taking it out against their former "oppressors"? Only a completely secular state might have a chance but we're talking about a large number of people (on both sides) who are quite devout. History does not paint a very promising picture here - and, as I said - they have no Nelson Mandella to guide the way and unify them.

Very few Palestinians are extremists. There are also conservative, moderate and secular Muslims. Then there are the Christians and a large Jewish minority. I don't see the Jews being thrown into the sea like the fear mongers state.

It's not you or I that needs to be convinced of that - it's them.

When you see Palestinians actually honoring those who attack civilians (for example the murderers of the Fogel family) - where are the voices condemning this and asking for unity? I agree, most aren't religious extremists - but can generations of anger and hate be overcome to create a state where everyone feels safe?

I think that if people start seeing justice that will take the wind out of the sails of the extremists.

 

[Coyote]

Ireland exists as two states.

South Africa had Nelson Mandella to push for reconciliation.

I see no Nelson Mandella's in either Israel or Palestine

There are many people on the Palestinian side advocating for equal rights for all.

I don't, however, see anyone on the Israeli side. Well there are but they are outside of the loop.

There are words, actions, and trust.

You say there are "many" who advocate equal rights for all. I am sure there are some.

But given the degree of animosity, distrust and hatred of "the other" (on both sides) - would you, as a Jew, and what would become a minority in a unified nation trust your life, well being and children's future to "words"? Remember, this is a people who were the recipients of continent-wide genocide in living memory. I can understand any reservations and respect them. How would a single state guarantee the rights and protections of all it's citizens - including minorities, without taking it out against their former "oppressors"? Only a completely secular state might have a chance but we're talking about a large number of people (on both sides) who are quite devout. History does not paint a very promising picture here - and, as I said - they have no Nelson Mandella to guide the way and unify them.

Very few Palestinians are extremists. There are also conservative, moderate and secular Muslims. Then there are the Christians and a large Jewish minority. I don't see the Jews being thrown into the sea like the fear mongers state.

It's not you or I that needs to be convinced of that - it's them.

When you see Palestinians actually honoring those who attack civilians (for example the murderers of the Fogel family) - where are the voices condemning this and asking for unity? I agree, most aren't religious extremists - but can generations of anger and hate be overcome to create a state where everyone feels safe?

I think that if people start seeing justice that will take the wind out of the sails of the extremists.

Possibly...there is certainly a great deal of inequality in the justice system when it comes to Palestinians and in the process of building and expanding Jewish settlements into Palestinian areas.

 

[Jroc]

Does it include a recognition of Israel's right to exist as a state?

Jewish State

It's up to the citizens to decide how they want their state defined. It doesn't matter how others choose to recognize it.

If Israel wants to be recognized as a "Jewish State" then it might have problems also claiming recogniztion as a democratic state. But that is it's choice. IMO - it needs to be recognized as a soveriegn nation that has a right to exist, not be driven out or destroyed.

The Palestinians aren't going anywhere. Israel isn't going anywhere. Both sides have to find a way to deal with that reality in a way that does not involve genocide or ethnic cleansing..

True, neither side is going anywhere. Perhaps it would be wise for Hamas to first publically proclaim to the world their desire to put an end to their charter to annihilate Israel.

Basically...that was what I was wondering about. In order to be even minimally credible, Hamas has to take that step.

Can we keep it in the real world please....

 

[Penelope]

Yes exactly what PM Bibi would say. Wiki art. , appears to be wrote by Pals, using mainly all Israel footnote links (please check).
I am confused, on whether the 3 teenage kidnappings were part of Protective Edge , or what started Protective Edge?

Fatah-Hamas unity government will strengthen terror, says Netanyahu
Israeli prime minister brands Hamas a terrorist organization and says the unity government should not be recognized

The Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, has called on the international community not to recognize a Palestinian government made up of the former rival factions Fatah and Hamas

In a statement issued before the expected announcement of the full Palestinian cabinet on Monday, Netanyahu again branded Hamas a terrorist organization and said the new government would strengthen terror not peace.

Via his Twitter account he said the unity government rested "on Hamas", which "was calling for the destruction of Israel". He said the international community should not embrace it.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/01/fatah-hamas-unity-government-netanyahu-terror
Sunday 1 June 2014 08.09 EDT

2014 Israel–Gaza conflict
The agreement was expected by some[who?] to have a significant impact on the current round of peace talks between Mahmoud Abbas' Palestinian Authority and Israel, and shortly after the announcement of the agreement, Israel launched an airstrike in the northern Gaza Strip that injured four people, according to medical officials

The Palestinian unity government was sworn in by 2 June 2014[98][99] and Israel announced it would not negotiate any peace deal with the new government and would push punitive measures.

On 4 June, the day before Naksa Day, the Israeli Housing and Construction Ministry published tenders for 1,500 settlement units in the West Bank and East Jerusalem in a move Minister Uri Ariel said was an "appropriate Zionist response to the Palestinian terror government."


On 12 June 2014, three Israeli teenagers were abducted in the West Bank: Naftali Fraenkel, Gilad Shaer, and Eyal Yifrah. Israel blamed Hamas, and the IDF stated that the two men Israel suspects of having kidnapped the teenagers were known members of Hamas

2014 Israel Gaza conflict - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Susan(?) Please tell me how your post has any relevance to this thread. The links in the OP are dated Sept 2014 and all the links and articles in your post are dated June 2104.

Again, Penelope shows her lack of reading and comprehension skills.

Obvious isn't it , this is what happened the last time the 3 got together in June, Israel exerted punitive punishment.

 

[teddyearp]

Yes exactly what PM Bibi would say. Wiki art. , appears to be wrote by Pals, using mainly all Israel footnote links (please check).
I am confused, on whether the 3 teenage kidnappings were part of Protective Edge , or what started Protective Edge?

Fatah-Hamas unity government will strengthen terror, says Netanyahu
Israeli prime minister brands Hamas a terrorist organization and says the unity government should not be recognized

The Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, has called on the international community not to recognize a Palestinian government made up of the former rival factions Fatah and Hamas

In a statement issued before the expected announcement of the full Palestinian cabinet on Monday, Netanyahu again branded Hamas a terrorist organization and said the new government would strengthen terror not peace.

Via his Twitter account he said the unity government rested "on Hamas", which "was calling for the destruction of Israel". He said the international community should not embrace it.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/01/fatah-hamas-unity-government-netanyahu-terror
Sunday 1 June 2014 08.09 EDT

2014 Israel–Gaza conflict
The agreement was expected by some[who?] to have a significant impact on the current round of peace talks between Mahmoud Abbas' Palestinian Authority and Israel, and shortly after the announcement of the agreement, Israel launched an airstrike in the northern Gaza Strip that injured four people, according to medical officials

The Palestinian unity government was sworn in by 2 June 2014[98][99] and Israel announced it would not negotiate any peace deal with the new government and would push punitive measures.

On 4 June, the day before Naksa Day, the Israeli Housing and Construction Ministry published tenders for 1,500 settlement units in the West Bank and East Jerusalem in a move Minister Uri Ariel said was an "appropriate Zionist response to the Palestinian terror government."


On 12 June 2014, three Israeli teenagers were abducted in the West Bank: Naftali Fraenkel, Gilad Shaer, and Eyal Yifrah. Israel blamed Hamas, and the IDF stated that the two men Israel suspects of having kidnapped the teenagers were known members of Hamas

2014 Israel Gaza conflict - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Susan(?) Please tell me how your post has any relevance to this thread. The links in the OP are dated Sept 2014 and all the links and articles in your post are dated June 2104.

Again, Penelope shows her lack of reading and comprehension skills.

Obvious isn't it , this is what happened the last time the 3 got together in June, Israel exerted punitive punishment.

But it is not happening now . . . but I give up, there is no reasoning with you or your ilk. Confuse, Deflect, detract, etc.

 

[Penelope]

Yes exactly what PM Bibi would say. Wiki art. , appears to be wrote by Pals, using mainly all Israel footnote links (please check).
I am confused, on whether the 3 teenage kidnappings were part of Protective Edge , or what started Protective Edge?

Fatah-Hamas unity government will strengthen terror, says Netanyahu
Israeli prime minister brands Hamas a terrorist organization and says the unity government should not be recognized

The Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, has called on the international community not to recognize a Palestinian government made up of the former rival factions Fatah and Hamas

In a statement issued before the expected announcement of the full Palestinian cabinet on Monday, Netanyahu again branded Hamas a terrorist organization and said the new government would strengthen terror not peace.

Via his Twitter account he said the unity government rested "on Hamas", which "was calling for the destruction of Israel". He said the international community should not embrace it.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/01/fatah-hamas-unity-government-netanyahu-terror
Sunday 1 June 2014 08.09 EDT

2014 Israel–Gaza conflict
The agreement was expected by some[who?] to have a significant impact on the current round of peace talks between Mahmoud Abbas' Palestinian Authority and Israel, and shortly after the announcement of the agreement, Israel launched an airstrike in the northern Gaza Strip that injured four people, according to medical officials

The Palestinian unity government was sworn in by 2 June 2014[98][99] and Israel announced it would not negotiate any peace deal with the new government and would push punitive measures.

On 4 June, the day before Naksa Day, the Israeli Housing and Construction Ministry published tenders for 1,500 settlement units in the West Bank and East Jerusalem in a move Minister Uri Ariel said was an "appropriate Zionist response to the Palestinian terror government."


On 12 June 2014, three Israeli teenagers were abducted in the West Bank: Naftali Fraenkel, Gilad Shaer, and Eyal Yifrah. Israel blamed Hamas, and the IDF stated that the two men Israel suspects of having kidnapped the teenagers were known members of Hamas

2014 Israel Gaza conflict - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Susan(?) Please tell me how your post has any relevance to this thread. The links in the OP are dated Sept 2014 and all the links and articles in your post are dated June 2104.

Again, Penelope shows her lack of reading and comprehension skills.

Obvious isn't it , this is what happened the last time the 3 got together in June, Israel exerted punitive punishment.

But it is not happening now . . . but I give up, there is no reasoning with you or your ilk. Confuse, Deflect, detract, etc.

Really according to the stories in my other post of today its is.

 

[Kondor3]

...But it is not happening now . . . but I give up, there is no reasoning with you or your ilk. Confuse, Deflect, detract, etc.

Yup.

Reaching back centuries for large-scale equivalencies.

Moral relativism.

Intellectual cowardice (failing to acknowledge lost points).

Deflection.

Distraction.

Denigration.

Etc... etc... etc...

Stereotypical modus operandi on the part of pro-Palestinian / pro-Hamas / pro-Militant Islam advocates.

At that juncture, for those who hear the call to argue against such idiocy, there is very little left to do but counterpoint, rather than try to reason.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

At that juncture, for those who hear the call to argue against such idiocy, there is very little left to do but counterpoint, rather than try to reason.

You cannot reason a person out of a position they did not reason themselves in to, that's for sure.

 

[Kondor3]

At that juncture, for those who hear the call to argue against such idiocy, there is very little left to do but counterpoint, rather than try to reason.

You cannot reason a person out of a position they did not reason themselves in to, that's for sure.

Nice touch.

 

[aris2chat]

I do find it odd how people can create such monumental double standards as they do. They advocate for a Palestinian state for a people who were created out of whole cloth just a few decades ago, but when it comes to a state for Jewish people -- folks who have existed as a people for over 3000 years -- suddenly, it is non Democratic to even acknowledge it as such.

What ever you choose to call the Palestinians they are people and descendents of indiginous people who have lived their as long as the indiginous Jews. Just as we don't have the right to decide how Israel chooses to define itself, neither do we have a right to decide how a people will define itself or whether they have a right to live on land they have lived on for hundreds or thousands of years.

Talk about monumental double standards.

As far as a democratic state it is hard to have a truly democratic state, that is also a religious state. I can't think of any examples.

Indeed, and shouldn't the indigenous population have at least an equal say as to what kind of state will be in their homeland?

I think it's too late for that. Israel exists and isn't going to go away. Too many generations have lived and died there. The Jews also represent an indiginous population. I think 60 years ago...one state could have been possible

Now? Do you think they could exist in one state without destroying that state?

Ireland is still there. South Africa is still there.

Why should the long standing indigenous population take a back seat to the recent arrivals?

Most Palestinian supporters realize that most Israelis were born there and have equal rights to the natives.

Ireland exists as two states.

South Africa had Nelson Mandella to push for reconciliation.

I see no Nelson Mandella's in either Israel or Palestine

India was split into two (later three) states because of religion. States that have heavily controlled borders. With pakistan there is only one crossing, which is closed every night.
There are still disputes of borders in the case of kashmir.

 

[aris2chat]

USSR fell apart and Russia is either fighting against muslim radicals or trying to take back bits and pieces like the Crimea, by force and vote.
Congo, Sudan, Nigeria are religious, race and land disputes. Africa has been in flux since the european rule ended. Some were not ready for self rule. Some reverted to tribal fighting.
Syria was five states, then one and now is being broken by fighting. Borders are vague land grabs not clear defined borders recognized by the international community. Opening a consulate in Turkey does not really a state make. Syrian opposition has a government in exile.
China, USSR, Germany, Korea, Saudi have or is using wall for protection against attacks or to keep their people in.
Many countries have land disputes or at a state of war with neighbors. Since the beginning of civilization and well into the future land will change hand. We might see races and nations loose their identity. Most countries are made up of a number of different groups. Racial or religious purity does not exist, or is rare.
Jews have had an identity for more than some 4000 years. Palestinians less than a century, but still most of the world has been willing for them to have their own state, but on reasonable terms not immovable genocidal demands.

 

[Coyote]

USSR fell apart and Russia is either fighting against muslim radicals or trying to take back bits and pieces like the Crimea, by force and vote.
Congo, Sudan, Nigeria are religious, race and land disputes. Africa has been in flux since the european rule ended. Some were not ready for self rule. Some reverted to tribal fighting.
Syria was five states, then one and now is being broken by fighting. Borders are vague land grabs not clear defined borders recognized by the international community. Opening a consulate in Turkey does not really a state make. Syrian opposition has a government in exile.
China, USSR, Germany, Korea, Saudi have or is using wall for protection against attacks or to keep their people in.
Many countries have land disputes or at a state of war with neighbors. Since the beginning of civilization and well into the future land will change hand. We might see races and nations loose their identity. Most countries are made up of a number of different groups. Racial or religious purity does not exist, or is rare.
Jews have had an identity for more than some 4000 years. Palestinians less than a century, but still most of the world has been willing for them to have their own state, but on reasonable terms not immovable genocidal demands.

Basically...it's a very complex mix driven by multiple factors in many of those places...