Greatest aircrat of WWII?

Within the top five, though my pick for number one;
Boeing B-29 Superfortress
....
The Boeing B-29 Superfortress is an American four-engined propeller-driven heavy bomber, designed by Boeing and flown primarily by the United States during World War II and the Korean War. Named in allusion to its predecessor, the B-17 Flying Fortress, the Superfortress was designed for high-altitude strategic bombing, but also excelled in low-altitude night incendiary bombing, and in dropping naval mines to blockade Japan. B-29s dropped the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the only aircraft ever to drop nuclear weapons in combat.

One of the largest aircraft of World War II, the B-29 was designed with state-of-the-art technology, which included a pressurized cabin, dual-wheeled tricycle landing gear, and an analog computer-controlled fire-control system that allowed one gunner and a fire-control officer to direct four remote machine gun turrets. The $3 billion cost of design and production (equivalent to $49 billion today),[3] far exceeding the $1.9 billion cost of the Manhattan Project, made the B-29 program the most expensive of the war.[4][5] The B-29 remained in service in various roles throughout the 1950s, being retired in the early 1960s after 3,970 had been built. A few were also used as flying television transmitters by the Stratovision company. The Royal Air Force flew the B-29 with the service name Washington from 1950 to 1954 when the jet-powered Canberra entered service.

The B-29 was the progenitor of a series of Boeing-built bombers, transports, tankers, reconnaissance aircraft, and trainers. For example, the re-engined B-50 Superfortress Lucky Lady II became the first aircraft to fly around the world non-stop, during a 94-hour flight in 1949. The Boeing C-97 Stratofreighter airlifter, which was first flown in 1944, was followed in 1947 by its commercial airliner variant, the Boeing Model 377 Stratocruiser. This bomber-to-airliner derivation was similar to the B-17/Model 307 evolution. In 1948, Boeing introduced the KB-29 tanker, followed in 1950 by the Model 377-derivative KC-97. A line of outsized-cargo variants of the Stratocruiser is the Guppy / Mini Guppy / Super Guppy, which remain in service with NASA and other operators. The Soviet Union produced 847 Tupolev Tu-4s, an unlicensed reverse-engineered copy of the B-29. Twenty B-29s remain as static displays, but only two, FIFI and Doc, still fly.[6]
...
1920px-B-29_Bomber_on_a_long_range_mission_in_late_1945.jpg


Admittedly a late comer, first flown in 1942, but the trend setter for the future and one of the most advance aircraft of the war.
 
Interestingly, as great as the Hellcat was, they were dropped from service soon after the war.

That actually had nothing to do with the fighter itself, that is because the replacement came out at the end of the war.

Just as the F6F Hellcat replaced the F4F Wildcat, the F8F Bearcat replaced the F6F. It entered service in May 1945, but the first operational squadrons were coming online when the war ended. But if we had done Operation Downfall, unquestionably the Bearcat would have been involved. The F8F however was the direct line successor to the F6F (and F4F), and shared the common evolution. It served as the primary fighter for the Navy and Marines until 1952 until the F9F Panther (the first jet of the Grumman lineage) and the F2H replaced it.

They were still very capable aircraft however. South Vietnam used them very effectively (primarily for ground support) until 1975. Thailand also used them until the late 1960s.
 
The Corsair continued on for nearly a decade and then a couple more in the air forces of other nations.

There is one honorable mention I want to bring up, that like the F8F came out too late to participate in the war, but was designed for service for the war, and would have seen combat if the US had needed to invade Japan.

The F-92 Twin Mustang.

michael_olearys_first_flight.jpeg


And yes, it is exactly what the name suggests and what it looks like. Two P-51 Mustangs that were bolted together.

Designed as a long range bomber escort fighter, as well as a replacement for the P-51 Black Widow night fighter. They packed six .50 machine guns in the spar between the two fuselages, and had a range of over 2,250 miles as well as being able to carry up to twenty-five 5" rockets or four 1,000 pound bombs. They did see service in the Korean War, where they were the main air defense fighter until the F-80 Shooting Star arrived on station. After that they became a formidable air to ground platform and specialized in attacking the North Korean road and rail networks. And they remained in service until replaced by the F-84 Thunderjet in 1953.

And yes, about half of the 273 aircraft built could be flown from either cockpit. Both the B and E models had that capability, and the intent was that the pilots could trade off during long missions to prevent fatigue. In the other versions intended for night fighter duties the flight controls on the right side were replaced with weapons and RADAR controls and could only be piloted from the left side.
 
There is one honorable mention I want to bring up, that like the F8F came out too late to participate in the war, but was designed for service for the war, and would have seen combat if the US had needed to invade Japan.

The F-92 Twin Mustang.

michael_olearys_first_flight.jpeg


And yes, it is exactly what the name suggests and what it looks like. Two P-51 Mustangs that were bolted together.

Designed as a long range bomber escort fighter, as well as a replacement for the P-51 Black Widow night fighter. They packed six .50 machine guns in the spar between the two fuselages, and had a range of over 2,250 miles as well as being able to carry up to twenty-five 5" rockets or four 1,000 pound bombs. They did see service in the Korean War, where they were the main air defense fighter until the F-80 Shooting Star arrived on station. After that they became a formidable air to ground platform and specialized in attacking the North Korean road and rail networks. And they remained in service until replaced by the F-84 Thunderjet in 1953.

And yes, about half of the 273 aircraft built could be flown from either cockpit. Both the B and E models had that capability, and the intent was that the pilots could trade off during long missions to prevent fatigue. In the other versions intended for night fighter duties the flight controls on the right side were replaced with weapons and RADAR controls and could only be piloted from the left side.
Great and thanks. Except it was F-82, not F-92. I recall seeing these flying out from McChord AFB (near Tacoma, WA) in the mid-50s when my family lived in Enumclaw, WA.

Oh yeah, the Black Widow was the P-61;
450px-Northrop_P-61_green_airborne.jpg


Also of related interest, there was a tandem seat, radar equip, night fighter version of the P-38;
...
A number of Lightnings were modified as night fighters. Several field or experimental modifications with different equipment fits finally led to the "formal" P-38M night fighter, or Night Lightning. A total of 75 P-38Ls were modified to the Night Lightning configuration, painted flat-black with conical flash hiders on the guns, an AN/APS-6 radar pod below the nose, and a second cockpit with a raised canopy behind the pilot's canopy for the radar operator. The headroom in the rear cockpit was limited, requiring radar operators who were preferably short in stature.[138][page needed]
...
330px-P-38M_Night_Fighter.jpg
 
Last edited:
That actually had nothing to do with the fighter itself, that is because the replacement came out at the end of the war.

Just as the F6F Hellcat replaced the F4F Wildcat, the F8F Bearcat replaced the F6F. It entered service in May 1945, but the first operational squadrons were coming online when the war ended. But if we had done Operation Downfall, unquestionably the Bearcat would have been involved. The F8F however was the direct line successor to the F6F (and F4F), and shared the common evolution. It served as the primary fighter for the Navy and Marines until 1952 until the F9F Panther (the first jet of the Grumman lineage) and the F2H replaced it.

They were still very capable aircraft however. South Vietnam used them very effectively (primarily for ground support) until 1975. Thailand also used them until the late 1960s.
The Bearcat was never intended to replace the Hellcat, but to supplement it as a fast-climbing interceptor. The F8F lacked both the range and payload to replace the much larger F6F.
 
Last edited:
Interesting factoid: While the B-24 was much more fragile than the B-17, the B-24 ended up being safer to fly. Losses were 1.26% per sortie for the B-24, 1.66% for the B-17.

Why? Speed, speed, speed. If a bomber can get in and out before the enemy reacts, it won't face fighters, and it won't get shot down.
From what i have read and seen those US daylight bomber raids were suicide at times, once the German fighters got in among the bomber formations it was slaughter.
 
That actually had nothing to do with the fighter itself, that is because the replacement came out at the end of the war.

Just as the F6F Hellcat replaced the F4F Wildcat, the F8F Bearcat replaced the F6F. It entered service in May 1945, but the first operational squadrons were coming online when the war ended. But if we had done Operation Downfall, unquestionably the Bearcat would have been involved. The F8F however was the direct line successor to the F6F (and F4F), and shared the common evolution. It served as the primary fighter for the Navy and Marines until 1952 until the F9F Panther (the first jet of the Grumman lineage) and the F2H replaced it.

They were still very capable aircraft however. South Vietnam used them very effectively (primarily for ground support) until 1975. Thailand also used them until the late 1960s.
I thought the Bearcat was a total replacement. They had Corsairs for longer range missions. But I have been wrong before.

Imagine the Midway's attack wing of Skyraiders and Corsairs and what it would have done to the Pearl Harbor Kido Butai...
 
From what i have read and seen those US daylight bomber raids were suicide at times, once the German fighters got in among the bomber formations it was slaughter.

That is true. However, they were also far more effective and accurate, and did far more damage to German industry and infrastructure than the night time raids.

And their effectiveness is proven by how far German industry was damaged by 1944. Manufacture of almost all wartime good was drastically impacted, as key components were simply no longer available because the factories making them kept getting knocked out. And what was being made took a lot more manpower and labor. As both the USSR and US were ever increasing their wartime production from factories far beyond the front lines, German industrial output was shrinking.

And before long, Germany could not even keep their fighters in the air because replacements and replacement parts were simply no longer available.
 
The He 177 was a great idea. With only two (large) propellers it was very maneuverable. And it was very fast, so it could escape fighters after it dropped its payload. However, it suffered from construction problems, each propeller was driven by two engines and this approach included a probability for the plane to catch fire during flight.

Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-676-7972A-04%2C_Heinkel_He_177.jpg


 
The Do 335 is probably one of the fastest piston-engined planes.

800px-Dornier_Do_335_%281944%29%2C_prototype_%28Dia_240-226%29.jpg


There is nothing probable about it. And it wasn't one of the fastest, it was the fastest. Even the F8F didn't even come close to 500mph like the DO335 does. Most performance numbers coming out of the Luftwaffe was fudged a bit. The DO335 didn't need fudging. The DO335 was listed as 474 mph.

I would include the P-51H but one hit on that lightweight, under built fighter and it was headed for the ground fast. It topped out about 490mph but only a few were made and you really can't call it a P-51. It's like saying the F18A shares the same parts with the F18E.

So I have to give the DO335 the nod for the fastest "Production" fighter from WWII.
 
There is nothing probable about it. And it wasn't one of the fastest, it was the fastest. Even the F8F didn't even come close to 500mph like the DO335 does. Most performance numbers coming out of the Luftwaffe was fudged a bit. The DO335 didn't need fudging. The DO335 was listed as 474 mph.

I would include the P-51H but one hit on that lightweight, under built fighter and it was headed for the ground fast. It topped out about 490mph but only a few were made and you really can't call it a P-51. It's like saying the F18A shares the same parts with the F18E.

So I have to give the DO335 the nod for the fastest "Production" fighter from WWII.
IIRC in the available configurations, it was the most heavily armed piston fighter as well.
 
There is nothing probable about it. And it wasn't one of the fastest, it was the fastest. Even the F8F didn't even come close to 500mph like the DO335 does. Most performance numbers coming out of the Luftwaffe was fudged a bit. The DO335 didn't need fudging. The DO335 was listed as 474 mph.

I would include the P-51H but one hit on that lightweight, under built fighter and it was headed for the ground fast. It topped out about 490mph but only a few were made and you really can't call it a P-51. It's like saying the F18A shares the same parts with the F18E.

So I have to give the DO335 the nod for the fastest "Production" fighter from WWII.
I have to stay with "probably" because according to this book, the actual maximum speed of the Do 335 is unknown. The book even starts with the Do 335 and I forgot to mention it featured the first ejection seat made in series.
 
Last edited:
IIRC in the available configurations, it was the most heavily armed piston fighter as well.

Actually, for firepower, there was one model of the P-63A with it's 1 37mm canon and 4 50 cals. The Canons that the luftwaffe used were big but didn't have much range. It was harder to hit anything from medium to distant range with them. The DO335 carried one 30 mm and 2 20mms.

One thing we have to understand, the Do335 had a cruise speed of about 450mph which was faster than most fighters running full up. Had they not dogged the production and spent some of those bucks that were spent on the ME109 on it the skies over Germany might have been different. The Do335 wasn't much of a slow turn and burn fighter but it was a bomber killer.
 
I have to stay with "probably" because according to this book, the actual maximum speed of the Do 335 is unknown. The book even starts with the Do 335 and I forgot to mention it featured the first ejection seat made in series.

The Allies got their hands on one in later 1944 and it was tested to 474mph. And that was on 87 octane. I imagine that it was even faster (approaching 500mph) on the 100/140 octane suggested for the P-38J-25. I don't know where I heard this but one WWII Fighter Pilot listed it as 505mph. Luckily, the Luftwaffe didn't have access to this hotter fuel.
 
Actually, for firepower, there was one model of the P-63A with it's 1 37mm canon and 4 50 cals. The Canons that the luftwaffe used were big but didn't have much range. It was harder to hit anything from medium to distant range with them. The DO335 carried one 30 mm and 2 20mms.

One thing we have to understand, the Do335 had a cruise speed of about 450mph which was faster than most fighters running full up. Had they not dogged the production and spent some of those bucks that were spent on the ME109 on it the skies over Germany might have been different. The Do335 wasn't much of a slow turn and burn fighter but it was a bomber killer.
Well it's primary function was to be a Pulk-Destroyer (aside from Adolf's usual "Blitz-Bomber" request).
It's Pulk-Destroyer armament layout was one 30mm central nose cannon, 2x20mm nose mounted and 2x30mm gondola mounted

Leaving aside the issue of non seasoned Luftwaffe pilots from end of 1943 onward - firing off their weapons at ranges beyond 200m at Bombers - the intended and practiced range by seasoned pilots was 30-80m
According to "kill&destruction" surveys - the German 30mm cannons did a hell of a wrecking job onto Allied Bombers.

A very potential aircraft - in regards to speed, technology and armament would have been the H219B fitted with two JJ 222 engines or the envisaged DB614 engines. There was simply far too much experimental going on in view of an insufficient industrial capacity.
 
The Allies got their hands on one in later 1944 and it was tested to 474mph. And that was on 87 octane. I imagine that it was even faster (approaching 500mph) on the 100/140 octane suggested for the P-38J-25. I don't know where I heard this but one WWII Fighter Pilot listed it as 505mph. Luckily, the Luftwaffe didn't have access to this hotter fuel.
The few planes built didn´t make a difference, no matter the fuel used.
 

Forum List

Back
Top