Goodbye Hydroxychloroquine. Hello disinfectant and sunlight

[lennypartiv]

Low and behold they KILL GERMS with UV LIGHT......Kills them deader than hell......LOL

Yep, it works. More proof libs are clueless.

 

[lennypartiv]

CNN even cautioned its viewers against trying this!

CNN is fake news.

 

[lennypartiv]

There are at least three threads going on this right now and the clip of him saying it is right there. It's not fake, unfortunately.

He's talking about two solutions known to work to kill the virus.

 

[bravoactual]

So is hyroxy even a thing any more?

If you libs end up with Coronavirus and don't want to take a life saving drug, don't take it.

45's "Magic Cure"does not FDA approval for use against COVID-19, so there you are a liar.

Ingesting/Injecting disinfectants will kill you, but if you want please do so.

Just remember the Mystical Magical Non-Existent Sky Man says suicide is a mortal sin.

 

[bravoactual]

CNN even cautioned its viewers against trying this!

CNN is fake news.

No, but Fucked News and One Network are...

 

[bravoactual]

So is hyroxy even a thing any more?

Does not have FDA approval against COVID-19, but 45 does have an economic stake in the sales.

 

[charwin95]

I expected him to have the country prepared for an epidemic before the first death occurred.

Like maybe a vaccine, or a billion ppe’s, 300 hundred thousand ventilators with each citizens name on it?

Except for the vaccine the rest of that is state and local responsibility

but trump is doing the best he can to overcome their lack of preparedness

I would have been happy if there were just enough N95 masks for everyone. There would have been no need for stay at homes orders nor business shutdowns nor the hundreds of billion in goverment subsidies. Just a billion dollars would have provided enough masks for the whole country. It could have been included in the pandemic response plan if Trump had ever seen fit to have one.

They would have been available if Obama had replenished the national stock.

He didn't.

It's hard to credibly blame Trump for something that happened before he was President, but damned if you leftists don't keep trying.

No, there has never been enough masks stockpiled, not even enough for all of our healthcare worker must less the whole country. If Trump had not disbanded the Pandemic Response Team in 2018, they most probably would have included it in the plan. He ignored the 2019 report from Homeland Security highlighting the countries lack of preparedness for a pandemic. Not even in early January when his security people warned him of the danger coronavirus posed to country did he act. Trump has tried to blame China, the World Health Organization, Obama, the CDC, the governors, and even our hospitals for the poor response to the pandemic in January and February but come November, he's not going to be able to pass the buck on this one.

Do you people believe history began when Trump was inaugurated?

Or is it just that you believe Obama is not responsible for his failures?

We have a pandemic the whole country in crisis caused by this incompetent president. Trump is a total failure. On top of that we have to deal with his regular lying bullshit.
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Obama was well respected around the world. Trump made us a laughing stock, ignorant and stupid around the world.
THATS A FACT.
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1. China caused this pandemic. But you don't dare criticize your masters.

2. Trump says things you don't like. Put on your big girl panties and deal with it.

3. Obama wasn't respected. Obama's weakness and hatred for America were exploited by those who would do us harm.

4. They hate Trump because he's made it plain America will look out for her interests and not put the interests of nations who hate us first.

1. China is the origins of Covid-19 but they are not suggesting any kinds of treatments such as disinfectant or UV lights. Which made us Americans looks like dumb and ignorant around the world.

2. If Trump say something very dumb, ignorant and stupid. No matter how wrong or wrong or how lies are lies that is acceptable to you and the rest of cult members - - - - - - that is cool Mr. Trump 2 thumbs up. But DECENT Americans will never put up with that.

3. You got it all wrong. Trump created enemies even with friendly allies and enemies against his own people the democrats inciting violence . He lied like hell and doesn’t even know what he is talking about. Trump is the most disgraceful POTUS ever. Obama was and is very well respected around the world a true leader. That’s a fact.

4. Like WHAT? Trump only interest is his own. We hate Trump because he is amateur, unfit and incompetent. Dumb Trump has said and done lots of policies and decisions that he can be flush to the toilet but still you love him. Why? What is there to love Trump? His blond hair? He screwed up this country because of totally inept . You still protecting him? Why?

We have a crisis on top of that we have to put up with all this stupidity. This country deserves better. Don’t you think?
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Your opinions are not facts.

It is.
What difference does it make? You are a Trump supporter you cannot even tell the difference even when trump is lying or talking nonsense.
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There you go again, insisting your opinions are facts.

You keep blabbering Dude. Why not prove why and which is an opinion?
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You don't want proof. You want instant and unthinking agreement and endorsement.

How's that working out for you?

Meaning you just keep blabbering.

 

[bravoactual]

There are at least three threads going on this right now and the clip of him saying it is right there. It's not fake, unfortunately.

He's talking about two solutions known to work to kill the virus.

No, he talking about a drug not approved by F.D.A. for use against COVID-19 AND using poison.

 

[charwin95]

View attachment 330585View attachment 330586View attachment 330587

Here is simple anatomical layout of a lungs.

They claimed that the UV light (probe) will enter to the trachea ( drawing with blue) but not the lungs.

1. How is the UV lights going to travel in those bronchi a curve like 90° then branches up, down, left to right then around. Since when a lights can travel that goes around?

2. How is the UV light going to penetrate the location of the alveoli? Drill thousands of tiny holes? How is the UV light going to travel inside the linings of the (pleura) lungs? Drill a hole to the side of a patients?

2. Even if you miraculously violated the physics of lights. How is the UV lights going to repair the damage infected cells? How is the UV lights going stop the damaged infected cells from multiplying? How is the UV lights going to stop the other organs that are infected or about to be infected?

3. How is the UV lights going to stop the body from producing the viral enzymes a fluid like that helps create the virus in the FIRST PLACE?

Can anyone explain that to us? Please.

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Been explained in this thread MANY times.. There is a company that is an offshoot of Cedars Sinai (Aytu on the stock exchange) that is taking a COVID UV device to advanced testing right now...

Look up Healight on their website.. As I described before, this technique is for already INTUBATED patients.. And the strategy is to "divide the battlefield" and clear the UPPER RESPIRATORY systems of COVID with UV fiber optics down the tube.. THis as their press release says -- prevents 2ndary infections from ongoing virus activity farther UP in the resp. system from being a source of "reinfection" deep in the lungs...

It's a LIMITED use, But I BELIEVE Aytu and C. Sinai can do this with MINIMUM time exposures, over the course of a few days and possibly increase the chance of COVID survival once patients are ON respirators.. With VERY little risk to the patient. Much like UV is prevalent in dental offices and ends up exposing tissues in the mouth. That's very limited time exposures...

IF -- it pans out -- might be a permanent feature on both critical and non-critical forms of respirators and breathing support for influenza patients..

You believed what their published which very easy to say than done.
From you. Been explained in this thread MANY times......... But it doesn’t mean anything.

1. Fiber optic with UV only limited in the trachea. They mentioned that. but never said they are going inside the lungs through brochi which will likely choke the patient.

2. The probe is limited ONLY at the top of the lungs. How is the UV lights going to penetrate any part of the lungs, inside, in between, bottom and outside the lungs?

3. What difference does it make in killing the virus when the body keeps producing viral enzymes that fuels the creation of virus? How is that going to stop 2nd infections?

4. You are going to insert the probe to a Patients on respirators. Are you serious? They do not insert 2 foreign materials in the patient’s trachea at the same time.

Cedars S. has tons of research and partnerships lots of research partners with others but that doesn’t mean they are successful.


I do not believe whatever Aytu was bullshiting.

 

[charwin95]

View attachment 330585View attachment 330586View attachment 330587

Here is simple anatomical layout of a lungs.

They claimed that the UV light (probe) will enter to the trachea ( drawing with blue) but not the lungs.

1. How is the UV lights going to travel in those bronchi a curve like 90° then branches up, down, left to right then around. Since when a lights can travel that goes around?

2. How is the UV light going to penetrate the location of the alveoli? Drill thousands of tiny holes? How is the UV light going to travel inside the linings of the (pleura) lungs? Drill a hole to the side of a patients?

2. Even if you miraculously violated the physics of lights. How is the UV lights going to repair the damage infected cells? How is the UV lights going stop the damaged infected cells from multiplying? How is the UV lights going to stop the other organs that are infected or about to be infected?

3. How is the UV lights going to stop the body from producing the viral enzymes a fluid like that helps create the virus in the FIRST PLACE?

Can anyone explain that to us? Please.

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Aytu BioScience Signs Exclusive Global License with Cedars-Sinai for Potential Coronavirus Treatment - Mednet News

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www.mednetnews.com

Call them and ask them............not our job........it's their technology

You are patronizing this UV lights and the company. You need to understand all of that. NOT just because Trump an incompetent president tells you.
Even if I called them. They don’t have all that answer. We are talking a new breed of UV light to be invented by a dinky miniature size company, $2 stocks, in a suite. REALLY? They are not even involved or qualified in making xmas tree lights. Let alone a new breed of miraculous UV lights.

Even if Jesus came down and gave you the UV lights to KILL the virus. What difference does it make in killing when you don’t cure?

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This "dinky company" is one of the developers that moved heaven and earth to get out there with a Corona test kit in a time period PREVIOUSLY UNIMAGINABLE... And the doctors from Cedars Sinai who started this project (and probably have ownership stakes in Aytu) can HANDLE the science of UV light I'm sure.. They have roving UV cleaning robots in their hospital. UV surgical equipment sterilizers, and all sorts of starting points.. They can AFFORD consultants as well for the design..

But the fact that UV is an efficient killing machine for Covid is gonna GROW the UV market hugely.. Make fun of it -- but CLEANING LARGE public spaces with UV robots is gonna be a thing shortly..

"What diff does it make if does not cure"????? Then what diff do test kits, or antibody studies or REMDESEVIR or HCQuine make?? There's about 8 drugs being developed RIGHT now THAT "DONT CURE"... VAST majority of folks DYING from this are an avg of 80 yrs old.. THEY need a CURE...

the other 85% of America just needs therapeutic TREATMENTS to reduce the symptoms and lessen the time of sickness..

Oh Lordy
You keep repeating that UV lights kills virus on surface areas, running robots, cleaning surgical equipments to bolster your opinions.

BUT that has nothing to do with killing a virus inside a very sensitive organ and is entirely very different story. Aytu is just full of hogwash.
Did they publish a new breed of UV lights what they are going to use?

Remdesivir and Hydro chloroquine works differently but it’s far better. Than this dumb UV lights.

CEO that makes Remdesivir was at WH yesterday and they will make millions of this vaccine ASAP.

.

 

[charwin95]

CNN even cautioned its viewers against trying this!

CNN is fake news.

Dude. Fox News broadcasts a lots of fake news. Get real. you don’t know the difference anyway. Trump lies like hell and you don’t even know the differences.

 

[daveman]

I expected him to have the country prepared for an epidemic before the first death occurred.

Like maybe a vaccine, or a billion ppe’s, 300 hundred thousand ventilators with each citizens name on it?

Except for the vaccine the rest of that is state and local responsibility

but trump is doing the best he can to overcome their lack of preparedness

I would have been happy if there were just enough N95 masks for everyone. There would have been no need for stay at homes orders nor business shutdowns nor the hundreds of billion in goverment subsidies. Just a billion dollars would have provided enough masks for the whole country. It could have been included in the pandemic response plan if Trump had ever seen fit to have one.

They would have been available if Obama had replenished the national stock.

He didn't.

It's hard to credibly blame Trump for something that happened before he was President, but damned if you leftists don't keep trying.

No, there has never been enough masks stockpiled, not even enough for all of our healthcare worker must less the whole country. If Trump had not disbanded the Pandemic Response Team in 2018, they most probably would have included it in the plan. He ignored the 2019 report from Homeland Security highlighting the countries lack of preparedness for a pandemic. Not even in early January when his security people warned him of the danger coronavirus posed to country did he act. Trump has tried to blame China, the World Health Organization, Obama, the CDC, the governors, and even our hospitals for the poor response to the pandemic in January and February but come November, he's not going to be able to pass the buck on this one.

Do you people believe history began when Trump was inaugurated?

Or is it just that you believe Obama is not responsible for his failures?

We have a pandemic the whole country in crisis caused by this incompetent president. Trump is a total failure. On top of that we have to deal with his regular lying bullshit.
.
Obama was well respected around the world. Trump made us a laughing stock, ignorant and stupid around the world.
THATS A FACT.
.

1. China caused this pandemic. But you don't dare criticize your masters.

2. Trump says things you don't like. Put on your big girl panties and deal with it.

3. Obama wasn't respected. Obama's weakness and hatred for America were exploited by those who would do us harm.

4. They hate Trump because he's made it plain America will look out for her interests and not put the interests of nations who hate us first.

1. China is the origins of Covid-19 but they are not suggesting any kinds of treatments such as disinfectant or UV lights. Which made us Americans looks like dumb and ignorant around the world.

2. If Trump say something very dumb, ignorant and stupid. No matter how wrong or wrong or how lies are lies that is acceptable to you and the rest of cult members - - - - - - that is cool Mr. Trump 2 thumbs up. But DECENT Americans will never put up with that.

3. You got it all wrong. Trump created enemies even with friendly allies and enemies against his own people the democrats inciting violence . He lied like hell and doesn’t even know what he is talking about. Trump is the most disgraceful POTUS ever. Obama was and is very well respected around the world a true leader. That’s a fact.

4. Like WHAT? Trump only interest is his own. We hate Trump because he is amateur, unfit and incompetent. Dumb Trump has said and done lots of policies and decisions that he can be flush to the toilet but still you love him. Why? What is there to love Trump? His blond hair? He screwed up this country because of totally inept . You still protecting him? Why?

We have a crisis on top of that we have to put up with all this stupidity. This country deserves better. Don’t you think?
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Your opinions are not facts.

It is.
What difference does it make? You are a Trump supporter you cannot even tell the difference even when trump is lying or talking nonsense.
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There you go again, insisting your opinions are facts.

You keep blabbering Dude. Why not prove why and which is an opinion?
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You don't want proof. You want instant and unthinking agreement and endorsement.

How's that working out for you?

Meaning you just keep blabbering.

No, kid, you are NOT entitled to my agreement.

 

[DBA]

So is hyroxy even a thing any more?

Does not have FDA approval against COVID-19, but 45 does have an economic stake in the sales.

So mis-informed about the efficacy of azthromycin and hydroxychlorquine. No, it is not FDA approved because for treating COVID. It takes a long time for such approval. It has, however, been FDA approved for other uses in similar doses for decades.

 

[flacaltenn]

Just to remind the COVIDIOTS who fall every lie they are told. Read this.

Promises Made, Promises Broken: 4 Trump Doozies On COVID-19 Response

The president keeps making big pledges about what he's going to do about the coronavirus pandemic — and he keeps breaking them.

www.huffpost.com

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WTF is this bullshit? WHERETF is "the lie"?????

From the HuffPo link you gave ----

Maximum Of 60,000 Deaths
A month ago, as the pandemic swept the nation, Trump cited worst-case death toll projections in a clear attempt to set himself up for success. During a White House briefing March 29 in the Rose Garden, he referenced modeling that found there could be between 1.6 million and 2.2 million fatalities in the U.S. if no containment measures were taken.
“If we could hold that down, as we’re saying, to 100,000 — it’s a horrible number, maybe even less — but to 100,000, so we have between 100 and 200,000, we all together have done a very good job,” he said
Then last week, with the U.S. death toll at 42,000, Trump moved the target again, predicting a maximum of 60,000 Americans would fall victim to the disease and making clear he wants credit.
“We did the right thing, because if we didn’t do it you would have had a million people, a million and a half people, maybe 2 million people dead,” Trump said April 20. “Now, we’re going toward 50, I’m hearing, or 60,000 people.”
The U.S. death toll now stands at 63,019, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. A model the White House often cites projects U.S. deaths from COVID-19 could top 74,000 by August.

I didn't realize that your reading comprehension was THAT BAD... NONE of those statements were HIS projections.. They were from the INACCURATE and barely useful MODELING that was being REVISED almost daily at IHME and CDC... TRUMP did not PREDICT anything or TRY to predict anything.. The whole quote is about the MODELING and what the effects of "social distancing" and "stay at home" would be..

The MODELING sucked here. Had NO predictive value.. But trying to explain all that to someone with your level of posting and THINKING effort is futile...

 

[flacaltenn]

1. Fiber optic with UV only limited in the trachea. They mentioned that. but never said they are going inside the lungs through brochi which will likely choke the patient.

2. The probe is limited ONLY at the top of the lungs. How is the UV lights going to penetrate any part of the lungs, inside, in between, bottom and outside the lungs?

You didn't read or comprehend the significance of CLEARING the upper Resp. Tract for intubated patient.. It's a LARGE significance WITHOUT UV treating the deeper lungs.. Because the SOURCE of infection starts and CONTINUES in the upper respiratory tract. And "re-infection" is CONSTANTLY going on.. That's why I liken it to "dividing the battlefield".. Body does not have fight THAT 1/2 of the battlefield and doesn't have "insurgents" continually entering the lungs... Might be too detailed for a politico to think thru.. Don't really CARE that you dont care to THINK...

3. What difference does it make in killing the virus when the body keeps producing viral enzymes that fuels the creation of virus? How is that going to stop 2nd infections?

4. You are going to insert the probe to a Patients on respirators. Are you serious? They do not insert 2 foreign materials in the patient’s trachea at the same time.

3) Answer.. That's what DRUGS are for.. And the choices are limited.. But drugs dont have to WORK as fast or hard if you're ACTUALLY killing a portion of the infection sites.

4) Once they are intubated and pumped full of muscle relaxants so they can't move -- the insertion of a TINY fiber optic probe is no insult to them.. Probably the size of mid gauge wire compared to a 1/3 inch trach tube.

 

[flacaltenn]

BUT that has nothing to do with killing a virus inside a very sensitive organ and is entirely very different story. Aytu is just full of hogwash.
Did they publish a new breed of UV lights what they are going to use?

Yep.. They have a published peer reviewed paper that I've read.. Think it's on their HealLight page.. Was written previous to Covid to work against OTHER flus.., Outlines the safety concerns and everything. I've got about 30 years of researching/designing/developing advanced medical products.. If you been to a hospital, chances are that machines my group helped developed/design were used on you...

 

[flacaltenn]

So is hyroxy even a thing any more?

Does not have FDA approval against COVID-19, but 45 does have an economic stake in the sales.

So mis-informed about the efficacy of azthromycin and hydroxychlorquine. No, it is not FDA approved because for treating COVID. It takes a long time for such approval. It has, however, been FDA approved for other uses in similar doses for decades.

Interesting how the goal posts were changed when NIH got behind Remdesivir and started to "diss" HCQuine.. Instead of "saving lives" -- the NEW call from scrimmage was "time to recover"... So the FDA initially approved HCQuine for emergency use and then restricted it to only clinical trials..

But -- pretty sure -- if ya put the 2 drugs head to head on the SAME PLAYING field of "time to recover" -- there wouldn't BE even a significant diff between them.. Remdesivir had NO effect on survival.. It only had a medium size effect on "days to recovery" and with just one or trials -- I'd like to see the TWO of them tested side by side in the SAME trial...,

But THAT -- will never happen.. Because the OLD drug costs 0.80 a dose and the NEW ONE probably $18,00 a dose...

 

[Lesh]

Yep.. They have a published peer reviewed paper that I've read.. Think it's on their HealLight page.. Was written previous to Covid to work against OTHER flus.., Outlines the safety concerns and everything. I've got about 30 years of researching/designing/developing advanced medical products.. If you been to a hospital, chances are that machines my group helped developed/design were used on you...

Then how is it that you don't realize that this virus is not a FLU??

 

[charwin95]

1. Fiber optic with UV only limited in the trachea. They mentioned that. but never said they are going inside the lungs through brochi which will likely choke the patient.

2. The probe is limited ONLY at the top of the lungs. How is the UV lights going to penetrate any part of the lungs, inside, in between, bottom and outside the lungs?

You didn't read or comprehend the significance of CLEARING the upper Resp. Tract for intubated patient.. It's a LARGE significance WITHOUT UV treating the deeper lungs.. Because the SOURCE of infection starts and CONTINUES in the upper respiratory tract. And "re-infection" is CONSTANTLY going on.. That's why I liken it to "dividing the battlefield".. Body does not have fight THAT 1/2 of the battlefield and doesn't have "insurgents" continually entering the lungs... Might be too detailed for a politico to think thru.. Don't really CARE that you dont care to THINK...

3. What difference does it make in killing the virus when the body keeps producing viral enzymes that fuels the creation of virus? How is that going to stop 2nd infections?

4. You are going to insert the probe to a Patients on respirators. Are you serious? They do not insert 2 foreign materials in the patient’s trachea at the same time.

3) Answer.. That's what DRUGS are for.. And the choices are limited.. But drugs dont have to WORK as fast or hard if you're ACTUALLY killing a portion of the infection sites.

4) Once they are intubated and pumped full of muscle relaxants so they can't move -- the insertion of a TINY fiber optic probe is no insult to them.. Probably the size of mid gauge wire compared to a 1/3 inch trach tube.

It’s not what I care or not or bother not to think or not. It’s just doesn’t work the way you portrayed it.

Look at the simple layout of the lungs. Any probe or anything is very limited only in the trachea area. The trachea split to left and right bronchi. The probe cannot go beyond that. NO one stick inside the lungs via bronchi all over the lungs. NO such thing because you just A blocked the air coming in B possible injuries. Sedate the patients however you want it doesn’t work that way. Inside the lungs and all over the virus is widely spread and multiply very rapidly. So just killing the virus in a very very small area doesn’t mean anything.

INTUBATED patients means both lungs are infected ALL over. How is that UV light even possible when UV lights does NOT penetrate the inside of the lungs where alveoli are located with zero access? That’s purely IMPOSSIBLE.


The diameter of a trachea is .984 in (2.5cm) wide. Tubing of the ventilators use inside the trachea is .866 in (22 mm) out side diameter. = .166 in (4.21mm) of space.

MEANING #1 ...... Intubated patients with (tubing) ventilators. the UV probe is pressed to the side (stuck) with only .166 in to maneuver (3 dimes thickness) inside the trachea. That’s IMPOSSIBLE.

MEANING #2 ...... You are only killing a very small portion concentrated to one side of the lungs. That’s IMPOSSIBLE.

Even if you exposed the alveoli to open which is impossible. The UV light goal is to kill the virus that are inside those alveoli (balloons) with fluid.

In order to kill the virus inside the alveoli....... The UV light should be powerful enough to penetrate the alveoli with fluid and without fluid. How does the UV lights even know or distinguish which one is which a good cell or bad cell so you can kill the virus inside those alveoli?

CONCLUSION: Sorry to say my evaluation of this UV light doesn’t work.
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[charwin95]

BUT that has nothing to do with killing a virus inside a very sensitive organ and is entirely very different story. Aytu is just full of hogwash.

Did they publish a new breed of UV lights what they are going to use?

Yep.. They have a published peer reviewed paper that I've read.. Think it's on their HealLight page.. Was written previous to Covid to work against OTHER flus.., Outlines the safety concerns and everything. I've got about 30 years of researching/designing/developing advanced medical products.. If you been to a hospital, chances are that machines my group helped developed/design were used on you...

I’ve read that too and I’ve seen a lot of those in my life and lots cannot deliver what they wrote or promised. Nothing new.
Im heavily associated with Cedars S. since the mid 90s and my Dad before that. I buy products from Cedars S. like sick blood etc etc at the same time it’s one my customers. If I can kick out my competitors the Pfizer, Abbott, Coulter out of the way life will be better. Here is the list of my contacts Cedars S. Doctors list are separated. I blocked the names.