rtwngAvngr
Senior Member
- Jan 5, 2004
- 15,755
- 512
- 48
- Banned
- #41
Phaedrus said:Not necessarily.
A duty is by definition binding. Hence, if it's not binding, it's not a duty. I won.. What'd I win?
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature currently requires accessing the site using the built-in Safari browser.
Phaedrus said:Not necessarily.
Dr Grump said:And this is where I just don't get it. Why does he want us to be in awe/fear of him/her? Why does he/she want us to partially understand him/her? As a non-believer, my cynacism kicks in. I find any explanation that seems forthcoming too convenient, because it is usually of the "who are we to question" etc. IOW, nobody knows, and this is the bit that I find frustrating.
rtwngAvngr said:A duty is by definition binding. Hence, if it's not binding, it's not a duty.
Phaedrus said:http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=duty
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=purpose
You have yet to make the connection between duty and purpose. There isn't one. You can feel duty bound to fulfill your purpose, but thats just you. You might feel there's an implied connection, but it isn't inherent. Simply saying something doesn't make it so.
Phaedrus said:Charity isn't a purpose, mayhap benevolance is, but that seems like the wrong word as well. Most certainley we have a duty to be charitable, but whether we embrace it or not is up to our own volition. For me, purpose implies more than duty or obligation.
"Good will towards men" seems to me the best examplar of what I think your going for. If I'm wrong please correct me, but I just don't see charity as purpose. A selfless life isn't necessarily a life without self. And if there is an independent self, there must be independent purpose.
rtwngAvngr said:You can't get the concept of being charitable as a purpose?
Phaedrus said:I'm using Kant dumbass, I stated it above, I'll only take abuse from a shithead such as you for so long. Charity does not pass the Categorical Imperative, only "Good Will" does. Stop banding insults and pay fucking attention before you open your mouth.
phaedrus said:And if there is an independent self, there must be independent purpose.
Phaedrus said:I'm using Kant dumbass, I stated it above, I'll only take abuse from a shithead such as you for so long. Charity does not pass the Categorical Imperative, only "Good Will" does. Stop banding insults and pay fucking attention before you open your mouth.
rtwngAvngr said:Think of people who work at wal-mart. They're separate people, yet have the same purpose in the context of wal-mart, to help customers, ring products and stock shelves. Different people, with the same purpose. Get it?
Phaedrus said:There you go again, using poor analogies and making assumptions. The purpose of life is different from the purpose of a job. And just because people arrive at their own purpose independantley doesn't mean they arrive at different purposes.
You have yet to address how duty and purpose are connected, which is the meat of the issue. You also haven't justified why I'm a fraud. To repeat, saying something doesn't make it so. Watch, I can say you are mature, rational, and make well thought out arguments.
Phaedrus said:My issue with charity stems from "Catcher in the Rye" and Kant. It's an issue of existential Authenticity, but my main point is charity is an action.
dilloduck said:To address how duty and purpose are connected may be YOUR purpose on this thread but that does not mean it is anyone elses.
Phaedrus said:No, the purpose there isn't defined. Charity is merely an action. To what end are you being charitable?
dilloduck said:You apparently are looking for something related to a state of being that one attains by committing ones self to a "cause".
Phaedrus said:Possibly, but I'm trying to limit this discussion to certain vocabulary. In a sense of the word, yes. I think my previous explanations are better than what you are proposing here, however.
For me, man as an individual provides his own subjective purpose.
Phaedrus said:There you go again, using poor analogies and making assumptions. The purpose of life is different from the purpose of a job. And just because people arrive at their own purpose independantley doesn't mean they arrive at different purposes.
You have yet to address how duty and purpose are connected, which is the meat of the issue. You also haven't justified why I'm a fraud. To repeat, saying something doesn't make it so. Watch, I can say you are mature, rational, and make well thought out arguments.