Da Vinci Code Questions

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    Two questions for devout Christians: Did the book offend you? Will you see the movie?

    I loved the book. What is fact and what is Dan Brown's hypothesis is uncertain, but Brown is correct that many gospels are not in today's bible. Anyone who turns on a tv has seen that the Mary Magdalene gospel was actually found recently. Brown never implicates the church in the book's murders, and says that the clergy are peaceful believers in their faith. Even the extremist opus dei bishop admits to being mislead by 'the teacher' (I won't completely spoil it for those of you who haven't yet read the novel).

    So the only time he really goes out on a limb is when he says that Jesus never claimed to be the son of God. His reasoning behind the creation of that myth is very logical. Though it is impossible to know whether or not such claims are factual.

    I was taught in school that Constantine converted Rome to Christianity only for fiscal purposes, so it would not surprise me if the texts of the Bible were doctored to make the new state religion more like the old. No matter what, to believe in God you have to have faith in what you can not see. If Jesus was not God's son, that does not change.
     
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    I've read the book. I thought it was fascinating fiction, but it was just that - fiction. And the whole Gnostic gospels, secret knowledge, etc. etc. is the oldest Christian heresy on the books. It's just been repackaged to make it seem more modern and/or relevant.
     
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    As far as the gnostic gospels are concerned, let me put things in perspective. If a historian wrote a book in the early 1900s about how Benjamin Franklin started a secret shadow agency that tracked the true history of this country which tells about how Martha Washington actually wrote the Declaration of Independance but the male Continental Congress kept her contributions secret in a huge cover up, it would be only slightly more credible than the gnostic gospels.

    Now, if a mediocre fiction writer wrote a gripping murder mystery about a conspiracy to keep that book under wraps and included a forward about how all that stuff about Martha Washington is 100% true, how many people do you think would believe it? The Da Vinci Code is a well thought out, decently written book of fiction that gained popularity because of the theories it poses about the Christian church, and enough gullible people got a hold of it and started believing it that they convinced others to believe it, too. I'm not offended by the book so much as I'm annoyed by people gullible enough to think it's all true.
     
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    loved the book....will see the movie....love the idea of a female influence in the teachings of chritianity.....chatholic church puts forth the virgin mary as a "'saint" they should be thrilled....oh ya a whore would be bad....
     
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    I sometimes wonder where history's coolest secrets can be found...

    Within the Vatican or within the U.S. government?

    What would be more shocking: finding out Jesus has a bloodline or discovering the Chicago mob actually killed JFK.

    What would be really crazy is if it was all intertwined: Jesus has a bloodline that leads to George Washington who through a secret affair created a lineage leading to Carl Lewis who also had got a woman knocked up in Germany leading to the birth of a mob hit-man who killed kennedy and later had a daughter that married back into the bloodline of Jesus. In doing so she accidentally completed a crazy circle of history.

    Imagine that.
     
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    As far as the gnostic gospels are concerned, let me put things in perspective. If a historian wrote a book in the early 1900s about how Benjamin Franklin started a secret shadow agency that tracked the true history of this country which tells about how Martha Washington actually wrote the Declaration of Independance but the male Continental Congress kept her contributions secret in a huge cover up, it would be only slightly more credible than the gnostic gospels.

    Now, if a mediocre fiction writer wrote a gripping murder mystery about a conspiracy to keep that book under wraps and included a forward about how all that stuff about Martha Washington is 100% true, how many people do you think would believe it? The Da Vinci Code is a well thought out, decently written book of fiction that gained popularity because of the theories it poses about the Christian church, and enough gullible people got a hold of it and started believing it that they convinced others to believe it, too. I'm not offended by the book so much as I'm annoyed by people gullible enough to think it's all true.
     
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    I think it was a good book. Honestly, i have never seen the big deal about it. If someones faith is threatened by a Book of Fiction, well then their faith really isnt that strong to begin with.

    And I also think those who object to Christ being married are misdirecting their energy. The scriptures are completely silent of Christ status as a single or as a married man. The fact is it doesnt matter. Him being single or married doesnt change the Atonement or the reality of the resurrection one iota. And I think good arguments could be made for both.

    However, i think the challenge comes to some who seem to think sex is evil for some reason and that the idea that Christ might have done it with a wife is just wrong. Sex isnt evil. Its a beautiful and sacred thing. But I can understand why some who think otherwise would find it such a bad idea.

    I think the bigger dangers comes from the suggestion that Christ wasnt divine. But then since most of Hollywood portrays something similar I am not really sure how this movie differs from most of them.

    Regardless, I think there are alot of Christians too busy protesting to notice that Hollywood has just given them the perfect opportunity to talk about their faith. People are going to be talking about this movie and regardless how one feels about the information portrayed, discuss the truth and the truth will always overshadow fiction anyday. People could come to Christ because of it all.
     
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    Certainly it's a fiction book and movie...which is why anyone who gets bent out of shape over it needs a reality check.

    But how can you assume that the gnostic gospels are heresy? What knowledge do you have that proves they are inferior to the gospels included in your bible?

    Sounds like a foolish statement to make so definitively.
     
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    That statement betrays how little your know about Christianity and, if you profess to be a Christian, you own faith. Gnosticism is not a bunch of harmless teachings, it attacks Christ and God as we Christians know Him.

    We assume Gnosticism is heresy because it is heresy. The Christian doctrine was finalized at the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. They also declared that Gnosticism was heresy.

    They're the ones that came up with the the Nicene Creed, the Christian "Mission Statement" if you'd like to think of it. In order to be a Christian, you have to believe in what the Nicene Creed states, i.e. God in three persons (Father, Son and Holy Spirit), Christ is the Son of God made flesh, was born of a virgin, died on the cross and was resurrected on the third day, rose to heaven and sits at the right had of God, will come again to judge both the living and the dead.... etc. If you run a Google search on "Nicene Creed" you can get the substance.

    Now for the heresies of the early church. There were two big ones, that I know of, Gnosticism and Arianism, but, there were many others, e.g., Docetism, Montanism, etc.

    http://www.sundayschoolcourses.com/heresy/#_Toc502048253

    The Gnostics believed in two equally powerful Gods, one evil and one good (in contradiction to Christ's teachings). Some viewed Christ as human (again, in contradiction to Christ's teachings.

    The Gnostics taught that salvation came through secret knowledge, rather than faith in God (in contradiction to Christ's teachings), that Christ didn't actually physically die on the cross but was a spirit all along, and in some ways, not really the Son of God (in contradiction, once again, to Christ's teachings)....

    They also taught physical things are evil and all spiritual things are good. So, it didn't matter what you did with your body, so some Gnostics became ascetics and other indulged themselves in degeneracy... well... I you don't have to guess that was in contradiction to Christ's teachings, either.

    Gee, this sounds like the DaVinci code.

    Anyway, these heresies had become quite a problem and, in 325, the Emperor Constantine, decided to call a meeting to discuss and solidify church doctrine. That was the Council of Nicaea...

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11044a.htm
     
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    This stuff is attempting to further transform catholic religion into The Mystery Babylon form of Trinitarianism

    I - Isis
    H - Horus
    S - Semiramis
     

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