GM is doing AWESOME

[rightwinger]

As a result, Ford gets averaged with GM.

Ford would have profited handsomly at the demise of GM. Something the good actors in a free market economy can do. They were denied that opportunity.

Ford supported the bailouts of GM and Chrysler

What cracks me us is that you somehow think this is relevant to the argument.

Would you please explain why this proves anything ?

Are you saying Ford would not have benefited from a GM failure ?

Ford realized the benefit from a strong US auto infrastructure.

 

[Listening]

Ford supported the bailouts of GM and Chrysler

What cracks me us is that you somehow think this is relevant to the argument.

Would you please explain why this proves anything ?

Are you saying Ford would not have benefited from a GM failure ?

Ford realized the benefit from a strong US auto infrastructure.

I'll ask you again.

Do you really believe Ford would not have benefited from GM's demise ?

 

[candycorn]

Ford supported the bailouts of GM and Chrysler

What cracks me us is that you somehow think this is relevant to the argument.

Would you please explain why this proves anything ?

Are you saying Ford would not have benefited from a GM failure ?

Ford realized the benefit from a strong US auto infrastructure.

You should get paid for correcting conservatives; it's turned into a full-time job. Many of the automakers use the same vendors. GM goes belly up, some of the vendors go belly up too. So Ford will now have to bring it in-house or seek a higher priced vendor...bad business either way given the horizontal integration that manufacturing has now.

And some of the downstream dealers who sell Fords on one lot and Chevy's on another would likely suffer hardships trying to get by on one brand.

Pos rep coming!

 

[bripat9643]

We'll never see the money back from the Great Mistake.

If Obama had anounced that he was going to hand $26 billion over to the UAW, there would have been an uproar, but in the guise of "saving" GM and Chrysler, that's exactly what he did.

 

[Listening]

What cracks me us is that you somehow think this is relevant to the argument.

Would you please explain why this proves anything ?

Are you saying Ford would not have benefited from a GM failure ?

Ford realized the benefit from a strong US auto infrastructure.

You should get paid for correcting conservatives; it's turned into a full-time job. Many of the automakers use the same vendors. GM goes belly up, some of the vendors go belly up too. So Ford will now have to bring it in-house or seek a higher priced vendor...bad business either way given the horizontal integration that manufacturing has now.

And some of the downstream dealers who sell Fords on one lot and Chevy's on another would likely suffer hardships trying to get by on one brand.

Pos rep coming!

It is an easy argument to make, except that demand does not go away. If GM slows down, there is a shortage and prices go up for Ford. The supplier picture would quickly correct. Companies like Bain exist to make that happen....have for a long time.

Keep trying.

In the final analysis, things would have been more streamlined. Ford would made more money off less sales dollars.

Who would have won ? The American Consumer. The same poor bastards who paid to bail out GM so they could pay more money for crappier cars.

That's the lefty way !

 

[bripat9643]

The secured loan has been paid; and what remains is the stock redemption. You should also know that billions of dollars in government insured loans to business are wiped out in bankruptcy every year. Government funding is nothing new; the Bush administration provided 17.3 billion in emergency loans to GM and Chrysler to assist in restructuring efforts, which were unsuccessful. .

So they go as far back as a couple of months before Obama's innauguration? Your argument seems to be that since government did something stupid in the past, that is should keep on doing it?

In the GM case, the government was granted a priority lien for administrative expense (which security the government would not have but for the bankruptcy filing); and a major equity share in the reorganized debtor. The bankruptcy laws function to balance the interests of debtors, creditors, equity holders, unions, governmental units and other parties in interest. That’s how bankruptcy works; and it works well.

The bankruptcy laws were tossed out the window for this gigantic taxpayer ripoff. Normally the bond holders are first in line when it comes to getting their investments returned. Union contracts are last in line.

 

[bripat9643]

GM is alive. Bin Laden is dead.

Our 'Conservatives' are unhappy with both outcomes.

The GM bond holders were looted and the taxpayers were screwed. All in a day's work for Obama.

 

[bripat9643]

Ford supported the bailouts of GM and Chrysler

Really? Where? For a while Ford was running commercials that boasted about the fact that they didn't receive any bailouts.

 

[candycorn]

Ford realized the benefit from a strong US auto infrastructure.

You should get paid for correcting conservatives; it's turned into a full-time job. Many of the automakers use the same vendors. GM goes belly up, some of the vendors go belly up too. So Ford will now have to bring it in-house or seek a higher priced vendor...bad business either way given the horizontal integration that manufacturing has now.

And some of the downstream dealers who sell Fords on one lot and Chevy's on another would likely suffer hardships trying to get by on one brand.

Pos rep coming!

It is an easy argument to make, except that demand does not go away. If GM slows down, there is a shortage and prices go up for Ford. The supplier picture would quickly correct. Companies like Bain exist to make that happen....have for a long time.

Keep trying.

In the final analysis, things would have been more streamlined. Ford would made more money off less sales dollars.

Who would have won ? The American Consumer. The same poor bastards who paid to bail out GM so they could pay more money for crappier cars.

That's the lefty way !

Ford, or Toyota, or Kia, or Hyundai, or Honda...

Meanwhile, we have millions more people unemployed. Gee, wonder who pays the unemployment.

Also, the "poor bastards" who bailed out GM did so out of TARP. So the "poor bastards" had already been fleeced; prior to Obama becoming President.

 

[pete]

GM Ramps Up Risky Subprime Auto Loans To Drive Sales; Taxpayers Still Own 26.5% - Investors.com


SUBPRIME loans......didnt we already go through this

Here in NC there ia a dealer giving away "free" with the purchase of so basically 2 cars for 1 price .... all about the numbers and how they are apun.
they would be doingas good <cough> had they filed for bankruptcy. Actually better because they would not be in debt to the tax payer.

 

[bripat9643]

What cracks me us is that you somehow think this is relevant to the argument.

Would you please explain why this proves anything ?

Are you saying Ford would not have benefited from a GM failure ?

The CEO did testify before Congress...but funny that they never took the bailout.

I've seen corporate politics like this before.

Nobody can convince me that some at Ford were not licking thier chops at the idea of a GM failure.

But, Ford can't be seen as someone who is hoping for the fall of a competitor (too bloodthirsty).

A second scenario.....

Ford does not want GM to fail (truthfully) because if GM fails, it might go to a company like....ready....wait for it.....BAIN !!!

Who will streamline it and then kick Fords ass.

Are you actually trying to make Ford the bad guy in this affair?

That really is a streatch.

 

[Papageorgio]

You should get paid for correcting conservatives; it's turned into a full-time job. Many of the automakers use the same vendors. GM goes belly up, some of the vendors go belly up too. So Ford will now have to bring it in-house or seek a higher priced vendor...bad business either way given the horizontal integration that manufacturing has now.

And some of the downstream dealers who sell Fords on one lot and Chevy's on another would likely suffer hardships trying to get by on one brand.

Pos rep coming!

It is an easy argument to make, except that demand does not go away. If GM slows down, there is a shortage and prices go up for Ford. The supplier picture would quickly correct. Companies like Bain exist to make that happen....have for a long time.

Keep trying.

In the final analysis, things would have been more streamlined. Ford would made more money off less sales dollars.

Who would have won ? The American Consumer. The same poor bastards who paid to bail out GM so they could pay more money for crappier cars.

That's the lefty way !

Ford, or Toyota, or Kia, or Hyundai, or Honda...

Meanwhile, we have millions more people unemployed. Gee, wonder who pays the unemployment.

Also, the "poor bastards" who bailed out GM did so out of TARP. So the "poor bastards" had already been fleeced.

And we should never had TARP thrust upon us. Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[candycorn]

The CEO did testify before Congress...but funny that they never took the bailout.

I've seen corporate politics like this before.

Nobody can convince me that some at Ford were not licking thier chops at the idea of a GM failure.

But, Ford can't be seen as someone who is hoping for the fall of a competitor (too bloodthirsty).

A second scenario.....

Ford does not want GM to fail (truthfully) because if GM fails, it might go to a company like....ready....wait for it.....BAIN !!!

Who will streamline it and then kick Fords ass.

Are you actually trying to make Ford the bad guy in this affair?

That really is a streatch.

For most conservatives, there has to be a comic book hero vs. villain story. Which is why you guy's rhetoric is so, well, comical.

If you don't believe me, do the search for the word "evil" and see whose names come up.

 

[candycorn]

It is an easy argument to make, except that demand does not go away. If GM slows down, there is a shortage and prices go up for Ford. The supplier picture would quickly correct. Companies like Bain exist to make that happen....have for a long time.

Keep trying.

In the final analysis, things would have been more streamlined. Ford would made more money off less sales dollars.

Who would have won ? The American Consumer. The same poor bastards who paid to bail out GM so they could pay more money for crappier cars.

That's the lefty way !

Ford, or Toyota, or Kia, or Hyundai, or Honda...

Meanwhile, we have millions more people unemployed. Gee, wonder who pays the unemployment.

Also, the "poor bastards" who bailed out GM did so out of TARP. So the "poor bastards" had already been fleeced.

And we should never had TARP thrust upon us. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Well, that's a different subject. The point is that Obama didn't raid the cookie jar to help out GM or the unions or any of that other malarkey. The cookie jar was already raided by President Bush 43.

It's funny how some here forget that.

 

[GWV5903]

GM Ramps Up Risky Subprime Auto Loans To Drive Sales; Taxpayers Still Own 26.5% - Investors.com


SUBPRIME loans......didnt we already go through this

Only a dumb ass would say GM was succeeding, oh wait he is a dumb ass...

 

[Listening]

You should get paid for correcting conservatives; it's turned into a full-time job. Many of the automakers use the same vendors. GM goes belly up, some of the vendors go belly up too. So Ford will now have to bring it in-house or seek a higher priced vendor...bad business either way given the horizontal integration that manufacturing has now.

And some of the downstream dealers who sell Fords on one lot and Chevy's on another would likely suffer hardships trying to get by on one brand.

Pos rep coming!

It is an easy argument to make, except that demand does not go away. If GM slows down, there is a shortage and prices go up for Ford. The supplier picture would quickly correct. Companies like Bain exist to make that happen....have for a long time.

Keep trying.

In the final analysis, things would have been more streamlined. Ford would made more money off less sales dollars.

Who would have won ? The American Consumer. The same poor bastards who paid to bail out GM so they could pay more money for crappier cars.

That's the lefty way !

Ford, or Toyota, or Kia, or Hyundai, or Honda...

Meanwhile, we have millions more people unemployed. Gee, wonder who pays the unemployment.

Also, the "poor bastards" who bailed out GM did so out of TARP. So the "poor bastards" had already been fleeced; prior to Obama becoming President.

Millions unemployed ? You don't know who would have been unemployed.

The other car companies only exist because of demand. Yes, they would have done better. But so would have the consumer.

And getting fleeced twice makes it O.K. That is an argument ?

That is the lefty way.

 

[Listening]

The CEO did testify before Congress...but funny that they never took the bailout.

I've seen corporate politics like this before.

Nobody can convince me that some at Ford were not licking thier chops at the idea of a GM failure.

But, Ford can't be seen as someone who is hoping for the fall of a competitor (too bloodthirsty).

A second scenario.....

Ford does not want GM to fail (truthfully) because if GM fails, it might go to a company like....ready....wait for it.....BAIN !!!

Who will streamline it and then kick Fords ass.

Are you actually trying to make Ford the bad guy in this affair?

That really is a streatch.

Not at all. You'll need to read further back.

Ford would have benefited from the GM's demise (notice RW won't answer). That is the way capitalism works.

 

[rightwinger]

I've seen corporate politics like this before.

Nobody can convince me that some at Ford were not licking thier chops at the idea of a GM failure.

But, Ford can't be seen as someone who is hoping for the fall of a competitor (too bloodthirsty).

A second scenario.....

Ford does not want GM to fail (truthfully) because if GM fails, it might go to a company like....ready....wait for it.....BAIN !!!

Who will streamline it and then kick Fords ass.

Are you actually trying to make Ford the bad guy in this affair?

That really is a streatch.

Not at all. You'll need to read further back.

Ford would have benefited from the GM's demise (notice RW won't answer). That is the way capitalism works.

Ford Statement On TARP Loans For GM And Chrysler - Forbes.com


"But all of us at Ford appreciate the prudent step the Administration has taken to address the near-term liquidity issues of GM and Chrysler. The U.S. auto industry is highly interdependent, and a failure of one of our competitors would have a ripple effect that could jeopardize millions of jobs and further damage the already weakened U.S. economy."

 

[Sinjorri]

Are you actually trying to make Ford the bad guy in this affair?

That really is a streatch.

Not at all. You'll need to read further back.

Ford would have benefited from the GM's demise (notice RW won't answer). That is the way capitalism works.

Ford Statement On TARP Loans For GM And Chrysler - Forbes.com


"But all of us at Ford appreciate the prudent step the Administration has taken to address the near-term liquidity issues of GM and Chrysler. The U.S. auto industry is highly interdependent, and a failure of one of our competitors would have a ripple effect that could jeopardize millions of jobs and further damage the already weakened U.S. economy."

i just cant argue this anymore, its not hta he doesnt get it hes become so sadistic anything anyone who doesnt agree with im is wrong, anyone with a brain knows Ford would have been thrilled if Gm was to collapse instead of being intervened by someone playing god.

 

[Listening]

Are you actually trying to make Ford the bad guy in this affair?

That really is a streatch.

Not at all. You'll need to read further back.

Ford would have benefited from the GM's demise (notice RW won't answer). That is the way capitalism works.

Ford Statement On TARP Loans For GM And Chrysler - Forbes.com


"But all of us at Ford appreciate the prudent step the Administration has taken to address the near-term liquidity issues of GM and Chrysler. The U.S. auto industry is highly interdependent, and a failure of one of our competitors would have a ripple effect that could jeopardize millions of jobs and further damage the already weakened U.S. economy."

Still no answer. I realize you won't answer it straight up or down.

You've been pretty useless all along.