Globalizing King's Legacy

[dilloduck]

Yup. Equality for all is a great message.

Great fantasy anyway.

 

[archangel]

What has happened to "your" (MLK) is that there are too many people making money off bitching that the restaurant never should have charged $100.00 in the first place. In fact, that restaurant charged $100.00 because they are trying to keep black people out of the restaurant. That the true problem is that many blacks can't afford to spend $100.00 on dining out so the restaurant should either lower the prices for blacks (and if they don't - or the restaurant doesn't put ME on their board of directors, I will call for blacks to boycott the restaurant), or have the government give the blacks extra money so they can afford to eat a $100.00 meal.

If MLK was speaking out today, calling for ALL races to be equal, he would be labed an oreo and have both Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton calling for "their people" to ignore the message.

side note: MLK was Jesse Jacksons mentor...Jesse was standing by his side when MLK was assassinated...just food for thought!

 

[GotZoom]

side note: MLK was Jesse Jacksons mentor...Jesse was standing by his side when MLK was assassinated...just food for thought!

Right..as Jesse will always remind people. He always tells how MLK laid in his arms and said for him to continue the message.

Might have been a mentor...but the benjamins got in the way.

 

[archangel]

Right..as Jesse will always remind people. He always tells how MLK laid in his arms and said for him to continue the message.

Might have been a mentor...but the benjamins got in the way.

Mlk was aligned with the Communist party,USA and Jesse is aligned with the Socialist/capitalist party USA....I think he morphed! :scratch:

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Buy the liberal garbage if you like but blacks were lagging behind for several reasons--some of which were laws that prevented blacks from equal access to opportunity. Black inequality was just mentioned as an "example" of inequity?? It was the ONLY example of inequity he gave. Was that merely an omission on his part?
Seriously, lose the idealism. Kings' efforts were to give BLACKS the same opportunites as whites and to get them to stop blaming whitey for all of thier problems, get off their asses and work for their integrity. He made NO effort to elevate ANY other race.
I never said whites were inherently better than anyone. You'll have to argue that issue with someone who feels like going there with you.

I play softball. Im the manager of the team. One player is weak on catching pop ups. I worked extensively with that person ONLY. I guess, using your reasoning, I dont really care if anyone else on the team can catch pop ups.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

People feel guilty toward blacks because that is the black agenda. I don't feel the least bit guilty. My ancestors never owned any slaves. Never sold them, used them, etc.

If anyone should feel guilty about slavery, it should be the African-Americans themselves. Who sold them into slavery?

Agree about his teachings. They use his name and face to further their own economic cause. Jesse, Al, etc.

If you are in this country legally (and illegally as some cases will show), you have just as much access to success as the next person.

It's called: Hard Work.

The "black agenda"???? Pllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease,,,

get real. Most of todays so called black leaders are just trying to gain money and power via the govt. Thats true with most white politicians too. Its more of a class game than a race game.

There are tons of programs designed to help tons of groups. Women, rich kids going to Ivy league schools, etc, etc. Its not the sole ownership of black people to have programs designed to aid them. More whites are on welfare than blacks anyways.

Yes, its hard work and opportunity. But for hundreds of years the black community didnt have that opportunity. If you spent 50 years of your life getting your face slapped with a two by four everytime you tried to use the bathroom, by a china man, you think when a china man who wont do that shows up you will suddenly lose all fear and aprehension.

It doesnt excuse the benefits being given to blacks that the govt shouldnt be giving them, but as a community, and I mean the real central core community, not the Jessie Jacksons, you simply cant blame them for being suspicious. I mean, when I was a kid, a white man could slap a black man, call him a ******, spit in his face in front of his wife and kids, and the black man dare not do a thing. MANY blacks alive today experienced that stuff. We are only one generation away from people like WJ carrying on public lynchings.

Its real simple, they have a right to be leary, and to fight for equal opportunity, but not for govt handouts. But you cant blame any large group of people if they take something offered to them. Black leadership sucks, and its the white liberals who give them power.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

I never said people should feel guilty. Just that they do. You're mildly attributing beliefs to me that are incorrect.

I feel that everyone has equal opportunity in today's society. Those who claim otherwise usually have an entitlement mentality. Does racism still exist? Of course; but instances of racism that prohibit equal access to everyone are quickly surfaced and destroyed. Unfortunately, many discovered that you don't have to work hard if you can convince everyone that EVERYTHING is racist.

Actually, I have to disagree. The reason equal opportunity doesnt exist is because far too many black kids are growing up without an education. It simply isnt their fault. But when your a kid, its not your responsability to understand the importance of an education. Thats why they are called minors and under the authority of adults.

Simply put, the white liberal democrats are more interested in catering to the teachers union than in providing equal education opportunity for poor people. I would guess at least half the posters here would be living in dire poverty if they were raised in Compton or Watts. Unfortunately, a majority of the black community doesnt understand that the republicans would be providing much better opportunity for them, but the Democrats/Liberals still use scare tactics to get their votes, and its effective. It takes a long time for an entire community to transition over. And its not because of any differences in intelligence either, Jews are highly educated, but still vote Democrat because as a group they were discriminated against also. They just havent come together as a group yet to vote for conservative Christians for the same reason as the majority of the black community.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

I'm running from nothing. You are trying in vain to get me to say that I think that blacks are inherently inferior to whites. Give up. That's WJs forte--bug him about it. "Several" reason"s" refers to the combined effect"s" of slavery on blacks.
Get over the generalizations, dude. Do you intend to nit-pick every damn thing anyone says with exceptions to the rule? I know EVERYTHING I SAY doesn't apply TO EVERY SOB IN THE WORLD.
You try to make MLKs' work all encompassing so you can get some feel goods out of it. If you can show me a picture of MLK marching along with a large crowd of Indians, Hispanics or Whites in effort to make us all achieve some higher "dream", I'll take another look. ( no--token march participants don't count)

Sorry to inform you, but MLK was leading the march. That asians, indians, hispanics or whoeveer didnt join him was in no way his fault. Some whites did join in, he didnt kick them out.

Its incredibly strange to say MLK didnt try to help the white community. Thats like saying you are rowing a boat, and one guy has a broken oar, the leader spends his time fixing that guys oar, so hence he must not care about the oars of the other guys. SIMPLY put, the white community didnt need MLK's help, and in fact, he probably would have done them more harm than anything had he tried to help the white community.

But I just dont understand your harping on his not talking about helping out "whitey", whitey didnt need any help in achieving equality, they were already privledged. Now, step aside boy as i walk by you on this sidewalk.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

My position is very simple. MLKs' cause was the advancement of colored people only. I eagerly await those pictures of him marching with other races.
There's no emotion attached--it's just the truth.

and your point is???

Psss (he did give his life for trying to achieve that advancement)

 

[LuvRPgrl]

I have listened to all you have offered in your attempt to get me to believe that MLK had some huge Utopia that he was going lead all the races to but you have failed to show me any instance that he "led" anyone but colored people. .

Considering black people had to sit at the back of the bus, use seperate bathrooms, couldnt go to schools with whites, could be spat upon publicly and told "******, get out of my way" with impunity, I dont understand how MLK could have possibly led ANY white people anywhere, they simply wouldnt have let him.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

You think you can alter the question enough to dodge the point you were trying to prove earlier in this thread?

Equalizing the playing field---you mean like socialism ? Take from the haves and give to the have-nots?

socialism is equalizing the final score, not the playing field.

 

[dilloduck]

and your point is???

Psss (he did give his life for trying to achieve that advancement)

I was merely countering claims that he fought for the rights and freedoms of all races like other posters have suggested.

Psss---did you read my posts praising him for his efforts and sacrifices? :read:

 

[musicman]

I mean, when I was a kid, a white man could slap a black man, call him a ******, spit in his face in front of his wife and kids, and the black man dare not do a thing. MANY blacks alive today experienced that stuff. We are only one generation away from people like WJ carrying on public lynchings.

All right, LuvRPgrl - this is over the top, unless - of course - you're 150 years old, and all your neighbors were sadistic bastards to boot.

Moreover, I must take exception to your characterization of WJ. I've been on this board for nearly two years, and have never known him to advocate violence in any form (apart from the quite sane and reasonable concept of self-defense) - let alone lynching.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

side note: MLK was Jesse Jacksons mentor...Jesse was standing by his side when MLK was assassinated...just food for thought!

Nice try, but quite irrelevant. It kinda goes in the "but the US was buddies with saddam, back in..." or even better still, blaiming a man for the way his son turns out...

and it aint just food for thought, that statement is an OBVIOUS LIE.

 

[dilloduck]

Nice try, but quite irrelevant. It kinda goes in the "but the US was buddies with saddam, back in..." or even better still, blaiming a man for the way his son turns out...

and it aint just food for thought, that statement is an OBVIOUS LIE.

Where is the lie?

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Mlk was aligned with the Communist party,USA and Jesse is aligned with the Socialist/capitalist party USA....I think he morphed! :scratch:

So, MLK attended communist party meetings regularly?

Your attempted smear campaign is pathetic at best, and the general public isnt going to buy it. Racism on any institutional level in civilized countries is a dead dinosaur. It treated with equal contempt by people of good values as is terrorism. Those who are racisit are no better than terrorists.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

I was merely countering claims that he fought for the rights and freedoms of all races like other posters have suggested.

Psss---did you read my posts praising him for his efforts and sacrifices? :read:

I dont think Im really arguing or disagreeing with you, just trying to streamline things a bit? Fact is, we seem to be discussing his motivations, or his sincere desires. I dont think we can really know that. I dont think he may have even known it. Unless the real life situation comes up giving us the opportunity to act on what we "think" we believe or want, we cant really know for sure sometimes.

Simply put, if blacks had caught up and surpassed whites in opportunities, would MLK have then cried out, sorry, but thats not fair either, like , hmmm, cant remember his name, but he is a black guy who led the fight for ending affirmative action, and he is married to a white lady.

 

[dilloduck]

I dont think Im really arguing or disagreeing with you, just trying to streamline things a bit? Fact is, we seem to be discussing his motivations, or his sincere desires. I dont think we can really know that. I dont think he may have even known it. Unless the real life situation comes up giving us the opportunity to act on what we "think" we believe or want, we cant really know for sure sometimes.

Simply put, if blacks had caught up and surpassed whites in opportunities, would MLK have then cried out, sorry, but thats not fair either, like , hmmm, cant remember his name, but he is a black guy who led the fight for ending affirmative action, and he is married to a white lady.

Apparently YOU feel as if you can ascertain his motivations and secret desires--do you have his diary or something?

 

[LuvRPgrl]

All right, LuvRPgrl - this is over the top, unless - of course - you're 150 years old, and all your neighbors were sadistic bastards to boot.

Moreover, I must take exception to your characterization of WJ. I've been on this board for nearly two years, and have never known him to advocate violence in any form (apart from the quite sane and reasonable concept of self-defense) - let alone lynching.

Sorry, but I believe in calling a spade a spade, WJ promotes racists ideas and web sites. He might not outwardly support violence, because he cant on a board like this.

And no, growing up in the late fifties and sixties doesnt make me 150. Fact is, blacks had barelly made it into pro baseball at that point and couldnt play other pro sports. All white college teams in basketball wouldnt play schools if they had one black player. And yes, a white person could do those things. Into the 70's, a town in Calif, near Santa Barbara, I remember reading the sign, "blacks, dont let the sun set on your head in this town", it was some oil town near santa barbara.

I recall reading some of WJ's links that stated blacks are inferior in intelligence, and that the laws of the US were orignally intended to keep us a white society, and that inter race marriages should be illegal, are immoral and are destroying the country. Considering Im married to a filipino, I take SERIOUS OFFENSE when I read that shit.

And I see how worldwide the bogus belief that white is superior is still promoted. Just do a google search on "skin whitening products".

 

[dilloduck]

Sorry, but I believe in calling a spade a spade, WJ promotes racists ideas and web sites. He might not outwardly support violence, because he cant on a board like this.

And no, growing up in the late fifties and sixties doesnt make me 150. Fact is, blacks had barelly made it into pro baseball at that point and couldnt play other pro sports. All white college teams in basketball wouldnt play schools if they had one black player. And yes, a white person could do those things. Into the 70's, a town in Calif, near Santa Barbara, I remember reading the sign, "blacks, dont let the sun set on your head in this town", it was some oil town near santa barbara.

I recall reading some of WJ's links that stated blacks are inferior in intelligence, and that the laws of the US were orignally intended to keep us a white society, and that inter race marriages should be illegal, are immoral and are destroying the country. Considering Im married to a filipino, I take SERIOUS OFFENSE when I read that shit.

And I see how worldwide the bogus belief that white is superior is still promoted. Just do a google search on "skin whitening products".

Personal life clouding your perception?