Global warming slowdown linked to Pacific

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BBC News - Global warming slowdown linked to cooler Pacific waters

Scientists say the slow down in global warming since 1998 can be explained by a natural cooling in part of the Pacific ocean.

Although they cover just 8% of the Earth, these colder waters counteracted some of the effect of increased carbon dioxide say the researchers.

But temperatures will rise again when the Pacific swings back to a warmer state, they argue.

The research is published in the journal Nature.

Climate sceptics and some scientists have argued that since 1998, there has been no significant global warming despite ever increasing amounts of carbon dioxide being emitted.

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We're pretty confident that the swing up will come some time in the future, but the current science can't predict when that will be”

Prof Shang-Ping Xie
Scripps Insitution
For supporters of the idea that man made emissions are driving up temperatures, the pause has become increasingly difficult to ignore.

Scientists have tried to explain it using a number of different theories but so far there is no general agreement on the cause.

"For people on the street it is very confusing as to which story is closer to the truth," lead author, Prof Shang-Ping Xie from the Scripps Institution of Oceanography told BBC News.

"We felt a similar contradiction and that's why we started doing these modelling studies."

Cooling the carbon
Prof Xie said there were two possible reasons why the continuing flow of CO2 has not driven the mercury higher.

The first is that water vapour, soot and other aerosols in the atmosphere have reflected sunlight back into space and thereby had a cooling effect on the Earth.

The second is natural variability in the climate, especially the impact of cooling waters in the tropical Pacific ocean.

Although it only covers 8.2% of the planet, the region is sometimes called the engine room of the world's climate system and atmospheric circulation.

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Drought conditions in the southern US were predicted by the model
Researchers already know that a naturally occurring cycle in this area, called the El Nino-Southern Oscillation, has a major impact on global climate.

But Prof Xie and colleagues were interested in a different cycle called the Pacific Decadal Oscillation that lasts for a much longer period of time.

To test his theory, Prof Xie and his colleagues developed a dynamic climate model that measured the greenhouse effect on temperatures but also included records of sea surface temperatures in this region of the eastern Pacific.

"Previous efforts using climate models take radiative forcing as the only input, externally, and they produce a temperature record close to observations except for the past 15 years," said Prof Xie.

"Only when we input equatorial Pacific ocean temperatures into our model, were we able to reproduce the flattening of the temperature record."

Swing continues
This model also explains some of the other contradictions seen since temperatures flat lined.

There have been major heat waves in Europe in 2003, Russia in 2010 and in the US in 2012.

Arctic sea ice also dropped to its lowest recorded level in 2012. All these are indications that the climate is continuing to warm, but the global average temperature has remained below the figure for 1998.

"The solution to this contradiction is that temperature has behaved differently between winter and summer seasons," said Prof Xie.

"The influence of the equatorial Pacific ocean is strongest in winter but weakest during the summer, so CO2 can keep working on the temperature and sea ice in the Arctic over the summer."

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Flowers growing in Greenland as temperatures rise indicating that global warming is having real impacts
The last time the Pacific was in a relatively cold state was in the 30 year period from the 1940s to 1970s said Prof Xie and that coincides with the last hiatus in climate warming.

But the researchers warn that the impact of this multi-decadal cool trend will come to an end and will be replaced by a warming one. Global temperatures will rise once again.

"We're pretty confident that the swing up will come some time in the future, but the current science can't predict when that will be," said Prof Xie.

Other scientists have welcomed the study saying it offers a coherent explanation of the slowdown.

"The new simulation accurately reproduces the timing and pattern of changes that have occurred over the last four decades with remarkable skill, " said Dr Alex Sen Gupta from the University of New South Wales.

"This clearly shows that the recent slowdown is a consequence of a natural oscillation."

Other researchers believe the new work supports the idea that the heat in the atmosphere has gone into the oceans.

"This new study adds further evidence that the recent slowdown in the rate of global warming at the Earth's surface is explained by natural fluctuations in the ocean and is therefore likely to be a temporary respite from warming in response to rising concentrations of greenhouse gases," said Dr Richard Allan from the University of Reading.

Dr Will Hobbs from Australia's Institute for Marine and Antarctic Studies agrees.

He said: "Over the period that the authors analysed, observations showed a continued trapping of heat in the Earth's climate system, despite the temporary slowdown in surface warming, and an important question that the paper does not address is where this energy has gone.

"Almost certainly it is in the deep ocean."
 
oh....is that the new ruse?:2up::eusa_dance::eusa_dance:


I am continually amazed at the level of naïve amongst adult people on this forum in particular. These people would gobble up bags of dog doo at $1,000 a pop if it was packaged up just right!!

Ever wonder how those business guys on late night cable TV stay in business selling those absurd products like this >>>>






Its exactly because suckers like Abe are out there watching late night TV and have closets full of shit like this........just insanely naïve mofu's!!
 
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I'm surprised they didn't try and link it to Mars!:lol::lol::lol:
 
The last time the Pacific was in a relatively cold state was in the 30 year period from the 1940s to 1970s said Prof Xie and that coincides with the last hiatus in climate warming.


So between the extra aerosals of China today(like America and Europe of the 1950-1960) plus this explains the why.
 
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Imagine that -- natural variations SWAMPING the effects of CO2 warming.. I thought the IPCC ASSURED us that wouldn't be the case..

You know what's stupid? These "scientists" are spouting crap like

"Previous efforts using climate models take radiative forcing as the only input, externally, and they produce a temperature record close to observations except for the past 15 years," said Prof Xie.

Yet the congregational choir of you warmer boosters feel no shame..

What else is stupid is the idea that all these natural variations are isolated from each other. That they simply go UP and then they go DOWN.. If you're familiar with Fourier Series -- you can build any waveform from a basis set of sinewaves.. So even just 2 or 3 of these cyclic events can produce close to a linear change in temp globally over UNKNOWN (but computable) periods of time.

Time for Climate Science to huddle-up, get a playbook and WORK HARDER and SMARTER...
 
Imagine something bigger and much longer(20-30 years) lasting then the ENSO....That's the PDO. The very real reality is the ENSO controls global temperature a great deal by .1 to .15c. Why not a larger and longer lasting "climatic pattern" do the same???

The ENERGY is just moves around the system...COLD PDO=energy deeper in the oceans, Warm PDO = near the surface.
 
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It makes so much sense...



It is where the heat is either deep within the ocean or close to the atmosphere that makes the difference.

1940-1975 and again since 2000 on that map. Of course UAH shows some warming as it is satellite(more arctic).
So if this acts the same way it will warm fast again around 2030???

Occam's razor would indicate the mostly likely explanation is that AGW is a con.
 
Imagine something bigger and much longer(20-30 years) lasting then the ENSO....That's the PDO. The very real reality is the ENSO controls global temperature a great deal by .1 to .15c. Why not a larger and longer lasting "climatic pattern" do the same???

The ENERGY is just moves around the system...COLD PDO=energy deeper in the oceans, Warm PDO = near the surface.

Ooooooh, that sounds so science-ee. I'll bet you could get a job writing dialog for the next Star Trek movie. They talk just like that!
 
Remember when the oceans were getting warmer and leaching out CO2 in a positive feedback loop?
 
Imagine something bigger and much longer(20-30 years) lasting then the ENSO....That's the PDO. The very real reality is the ENSO controls global temperature a great deal by .1 to .15c. Why not a larger and longer lasting "climatic pattern" do the same???

The ENERGY is just moves around the system...COLD PDO=energy deeper in the oceans, Warm PDO = near the surface.

Ooooooh, that sounds so science-ee. I'll bet you could get a job writing dialog for the next Star Trek movie. They talk just like that!

Does the ENSO effect global temperature? Answer me that???
 
I'm surprised they didn't try and link it to Mars!:lol::lol::lol:

It almost always astounds me how quickly you cut to the chase; how nothing ever slips by your eagle eyed gaze. Yup. Astounding.







Oh listen to the little buffoon trying to sound all smarty like. The fact is this is nothing new...Meehl et al posited the same thing last year, the problem of course and the logical leap that you ignorant twerps seem incapable of making is if the La Nina can have this big an effect then how big an effect does the El Nino have? Hmmmm? Or how about the AMO?

Plus you add in this little admission....

Although the surface temperature prescription is limited to only 8.2% of the global surface, our model reproduces the annual-mean global temperature remarkably well with correlation coefficient r = 0.97 for 1970–2012 (which includes the current hiatus and a period of accelerated global warming).

And you can see (well, if you had a brain that is) why I am less than impressed.
 
Imagine something bigger and much longer(20-30 years) lasting then the ENSO....That's the PDO. The very real reality is the ENSO controls global temperature a great deal by .1 to .15c. Why not a larger and longer lasting "climatic pattern" do the same???

The ENERGY is just moves around the system...COLD PDO=energy deeper in the oceans, Warm PDO = near the surface.

Ooooooh, that sounds so science-ee. I'll bet you could get a job writing dialog for the next Star Trek movie. They talk just like that!

Does the ENSO effect global temperature? Answer me that???

But that was never supposed to happen.. Where is the AMO/PDO in the MODELS?
ENSO isn't entirely predictable -- so I guess they just "left it out". Why did the IPCC LIE about the Total Solar Insolation numbers ?? Why are we just NOW hearing about heat STORAGE when the story was always that surface temp HAD to follow a forcing IMMEDIATELY??

After 2 decade of vicious debate and poor science --- we are now hearing about "fudge factors" that SHOULD have been honestly appraised and discussed about 20 years ago?


Seasons (2013-2014)
Model ASO SON OND NDJ DJF JFM FMA MAM AMJ
Dynamical models
NCEP CFS version 2 -0.1 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.1 0.2 0.3 0.4
NASA GMAO model 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.4 0.4 0.4
Japan Met. Agency model -0.3 -0.2 -0.2 -0.1 0
Scripps Inst. HCM 0.5 0.6 0.7 0.7 0.8 0.8 0.9 0.8 0.7
Lamont-Doherty model -0.4 -0.5 -0.6 -0.7 -0.7 -0.6 -0.4 -0.2 0
POAMA (Austr) model -0.3 -0.3 -0.2 -0.1 0 0.1 0.2
ECMWF model 0.1 0.2 0.2 0.4
UKMO model -0.6 -0.7 -0.9
KMA (Korea) SNU model 0 0 0.1 0.2 0.3 0.4 0.4 0.4 0.4
ESSIC Intermed. Coupled model -0.3 -0.3 -0.4 -0.4 -0.4 -0.3 -0.2 -0.1 0
MÉTÉO FRANCE model -0.1 0 0.1 0.1 0.2
COLA CCSM3 model 0.3 0.4 0.4 0.4 0.5 0.6 0.7 0.7 0.6
CSIR-IRI 3-model MME -0.2 -0.2 -0.2 -0.3 -0.3
GFDL CM2.1 Coupled Climate model -0.1 0 0.1 0.2 0.4 0.7 0.9 0.9 0.9
Canadian Coupled Fcst Sys -0.2 -0.2 -0.2 -0.3 -0.2 -0.2 -0.1 0.1 0.4
Average, dynamical models -0.1 -0.1 0 0 0.1 0.2 0.3 0.4
Statistical models
NCEP/CPC Markov model -0.7 -0.7 -0.6 -0.5 -0.4 -0.2 -0.2 -0.1 0
NOAA/CDC Linear Inverse -0.5 -0.5 -0.5 -0.5 -0.4 -0.3 -0.2 -0.1 0
NCEP/CPC Constructed Analog -0.4 -0.4 -0.3 -0.3 -0.3 -0.3 -0.2 -0.1 0.2
NCEP/CPC Can Cor Anal -0.7 -0.8 -0.8 -0.8 -0.9 -0.8 -0.6 -0.4 -0.3
Landsea/Knaff CLIPER -0.6 -0.6 -0.6 -0.6 -0.5 -0.5 -0.4 -0.1 0.2
Univ. BC Neural Network -0.4 -0.5 -0.4 -0.4 -0.3 -0.2 -0.1 0 0.1
FSU Regression -0.3 -0.2 -0.2 -0.1 -0.1 0 0 0.1 0.2
TDC - UCLA -0.4 -0.4 -0.5 -0.5 -0.5 -0.4 -0.3 -0.2 -0.1
Average, statistical models -0.5 -0.5 -0.5 -0.5 -0.4 -0.3 -0.2 -0.1 0
Average, all models -0.2 -0.2 -0.2 -0.1 -0.1 0 0.1 0.1 0.2

Don't have time to clean it up. Go look at the original table at Summary of ENSO Model Forecasts

And tell me how in the world do we have ANY CLIMATE MODELS when the models for ENSO are this much in disagreement? Maybe we should have spent some of the AGW money on better ENSO models eh?? :eek:

And yet -- the warmers claim to have thermally modeled every square meter of every ocean. But they cant predict an ENSO event..
 
The short term enso isn't a big climatic factor over the long term...Just a very short one.

The pdo on the other hand is a whole new animal!

The "Pacific Decadal Oscillation" (PDO) is a long-lived El Niño-like pattern of Pacific climate variability. While the two climate oscillations have similar spatial climate fingerprints, they have very different behavior in time. Fisheries scientist Steven Hare coined the term "Pacific Decadal Oscillation" (PDO) in 1996 while researching connections between Alaska salmon production cycles and Pacific climate (his dissertation topic with advisor Robert Francis). Two main characteristics distinguish PDO from El Niño/Southern Oscillation (ENSO): first, 20th century PDO "events" persisted for 20-to-30 years, while typical ENSO events persisted for 6 to 18 months; second, the climatic fingerprints of the PDO are most visible in the North Pacific/North American sector, while secondary signatures exist in the tropics - the opposite is true for ENSO. Several independent studies find evidence for just two full PDO cycles in the past century: "cool" PDO regimes prevailed from 1890-1924 and again from 1947-1976, while "warm" PDO regimes dominated from 1925-1946 and from 1977 through (at least) the mid-1990's. Shoshiro Minobe has shown that 20th century PDO fluctuations were most energetic in two general periodicities, one from 15-to-25 years, and the other from 50-to-70 years.
http://ingrid.ldeo.columbia.edu/(/home/alexeyk/mydata/TSsvd.in)readfile/.SST/.PDO

Look at any global temperature record and it follows this very closely.
1910-1940s warming
1980-2000 warming
1950-1970s stable
2000-today stable

The pdo explains the warming or stable temperature difference of the past 100 years.

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The thing is the oceans @ atmosphere are both part of the system....There's only two ways to make more energy into the climatic system. 1# More solar flex, 2# green house effect. Why did they model this and say as they did??? Science is ever evolving and we're learning more....Why did people not understand how plates move across the globe 100 years ago?
 
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