Global Warming lawsuits will hammer state budgets!

[skookerasbil]

Global warming lawsuit could hammer OK, other states

The important thing to remember with this story is that advocates of doing something about global warming never factor in the costs. To them costs do not exist.

Unfortunately in the real world they do exist. In States like New York California and Oklahoma where these lawsuits are frequent you can be 100% certain of one thing: the $$ earmark to go for repair of roads and Public Safety will not be going there. Those dollars will be going to pay off these lawsuits.

What I suggest is if you live in these states like I do, put aside plenty of money for extra wheels for your car and extra tires as well. Those Volkswagen Beetle sized potholes are not going anywhere soon. Increased public safety? Sorry... not in the dangerous cities of your states s0ns. Not happening for you....."fuck you..... we have to fight global warming!!"

Necessary trade-offs.... a concept not at all understood by the climate crusaders.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Mann was doing this crap 20 years ago and today the courts throw these fishing expeditions out.. When you can not prove causation linkage.. things die..

 

[skookerasbil]

These people have one goal....fuck up America as we knew it!

 

[MaryL]

Not mention actual global warming that will hammer our economies. Like say, all those pesky Pine beetles or say the fact we get less snow or rain in Colorado. Global warming, it's a fact. Look at ski area profits, they are sinking every year.

 

[Andylusion]

Not mention actual global warming that will hammer our economies.

Why would actual global warming hammer our economies?

I don't see evidence that this will be a huge problem, unless we see some substantial increase in temp. If anything it may open up more land to be farm-able. If it rains more in some areas, that would make it easier to irrigate.

 

[Old Rocks]

People like you two have already fucked this nation up. You are the people that create pollution, and say it doesn't matter. You are the people that try to punish scientists for publishing the results of their studies. In other words, you two are really crap individuals that are completely ignorant of this subject that you post so much on. And global warming is already fucking up state budgets.

Climate change damages to Alaska public infrastructure and the economics of proactive adaptation

Abstract
Climate change in the circumpolar region is causing dramatic environmental change that is increasing the vulnerability of infrastructure. We quantified the economic impacts of climate change on Alaska public infrastructure under relatively high and low climate forcing scenarios [representative concentration pathway 8.5 (RCP8.5) and RCP4.5] using an infrastructure model modified to account for unique climate impacts at northern latitudes, including near-surface permafrost thaw. Additionally, we evaluated how proactive adaptation influenced economic impacts on select infrastructure types and developed first-order estimates of potential land losses associated with coastal erosion and lengthening of the coastal ice-free season for 12 communities. Cumulative estimated expenses from climate-related damage to infrastructure without adaptation measures (hereafter damages) from 2015 to 2099 totaled $5.5 billion (2015 dollars, 3% discount) for RCP8.5 and $4.2 billion for RCP4.5, suggesting that reducing greenhouse gas emissions could lessen damages by $1.3 billion this century. The distribution of damages varied across the state, with the largest damages projected for the interior and southcentral Alaska. The largest source of damages was road flooding caused by increased precipitation followed by damages to buildings associated with near-surface permafrost thaw. Smaller damages were observed for airports, railroads, and pipelines. Proactive adaptation reduced total projected cumulative expenditures to $2.9 billion for RCP8.5 and $2.3 billion for RCP4.5. For road flooding, adaptation provided an annual savings of 80–100% across four study eras. For nearly all infrastructure types and time periods evaluated, damages and adaptation costs were larger for RCP8.5 than RCP4.5. Estimated coastal erosion losses were also larger for RCP8.5.

 

[Old Rocks]

Not mention actual global warming that will hammer our economies.

Why would actual global warming hammer our economies?

I don't see evidence that this will be a huge problem, unless we see some substantial increase in temp. If anything it may open up more land to be farm-able. If it rains more in some areas, that would make it easier to irrigate.

Photo by Roger W/Flickr CC
Sea Level Rise Could Cost Florida $400 Billion in Property Loss
JESS SWANSON | AUGUST 3, 2016 | 9:13AM
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An underwater home typically refers to a mortgage that is higher than the property's value. But as rising seas are expected to increasingly flood South Florida, scientists and economists have warned that the term might be taken literally one day.

A new study recently released by Zillow, the online real estate database, has quantified the effect of sea level rise on property values, and the findings are startling: $413 billion worth of properties are at risk of being at least partially submerged in Florida by 2100 — the most of any state, accounting for half of the nation's total projected $882 billion worth of property at risk of being flooded.

Sea Level Rise Could Cost Florida $400 Billion in Property Loss

And that is just the beginning.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Not mention actual global warming that will hammer our economies.

Why would actual global warming hammer our economies?

I don't see evidence that this will be a huge problem, unless we see some substantial increase in temp. If anything it may open up more land to be farm-able. If it rains more in some areas, that would make it easier to irrigate.

Photo by Roger W/Flickr CC
Sea Level Rise Could Cost Florida $400 Billion in Property Loss
JESS SWANSON | AUGUST 3, 2016 | 9:13AM
AA
An underwater home typically refers to a mortgage that is higher than the property's value. But as rising seas are expected to increasingly flood South Florida, scientists and economists have warned that the term might be taken literally one day.

A new study recently released by Zillow, the online real estate database, has quantified the effect of sea level rise on property values, and the findings are startling: $413 billion worth of properties are at risk of being at least partially submerged in Florida by 2100 — the most of any state, accounting for half of the nation's total projected $882 billion worth of property at risk of being flooded.

Sea Level Rise Could Cost Florida $400 Billion in Property Loss

And that is just the beginning.

Why do you guys keep posting that nonsense? The waters rise the waters fall in flordia been happing since the earth was born...

 

[MaryL]

Not mention actual global warming that will hammer our economies.

Why would actual global warming hammer our economies?

I don't see evidence that this will be a huge problem, unless we see some substantial increase in temp. If anything it may open up more land to be farm-able. If it rains more in some areas, that would make it easier to irrigate.

You don't see the evidence? Wow. Get your eyes examined. Are you ....bloody kidding? Where do you live, where you live that you don't see this? OZ?

 

[Old Rocks]

The 2017 fire season set records in some locations for days in extreme fire danger with prolonged hot and dry weather stoking blazes and stretching resources thin, state officials told lawmakers this week.

“One thing is clear, and that is that we do not have a fully sustainable program for fire seasons such as this one,” said Sue Clark, acting administrator of the Department of Natural Resources and Conservation forestry division.

On Thursday, Clark appeared before the Environmental Quality Council, a legislative interim committee that meets between sessions, to update lawmakers on the fire season.


Fire suppression costs have run close to $400 million in Montana, including about $62 million of state dollars. The state received eight federal grants that pay for 75 percent of eligible costs for fires, such as Alice Creek northeast of Lincoln, Lolo Peak in the Bitterroot Valley and the Lodgepole Complex in eastern Montana.

The most expensive fires this year include Lolo Peak at $48 million, Rice Ridge at $47.9 million, Sapphire Complex at $36 million and Meyers at more than $32.5 million.

More than 1.2 million acres, including about 300,000 acres on DNRC-protected state and private lands, burned in Montana this year. That puts 2017 above 2012 by more than 20,000 acres and makes it the highest year in terms of acreage in the last two decades, according to records. In 2012 costs were about $113 million, compared to the $393 million spent in 2017.
$400 million spent on Montana wildfires this year

And then there was the fire on the Custer State Forest in the first two weeks of December. 84 square miles, in the first two weeks of December in Wyoming, at an altitude above 4800 ft. And some of these boneheads still claim the warming is not affecting things. LOL

 

[Old Rocks]

Not mention actual global warming that will hammer our economies.

Why would actual global warming hammer our economies?

I don't see evidence that this will be a huge problem, unless we see some substantial increase in temp. If anything it may open up more land to be farm-able. If it rains more in some areas, that would make it easier to irrigate.

Photo by Roger W/Flickr CC
Sea Level Rise Could Cost Florida $400 Billion in Property Loss
JESS SWANSON | AUGUST 3, 2016 | 9:13AM
AA
An underwater home typically refers to a mortgage that is higher than the property's value. But as rising seas are expected to increasingly flood South Florida, scientists and economists have warned that the term might be taken literally one day.

A new study recently released by Zillow, the online real estate database, has quantified the effect of sea level rise on property values, and the findings are startling: $413 billion worth of properties are at risk of being at least partially submerged in Florida by 2100 — the most of any state, accounting for half of the nation's total projected $882 billion worth of property at risk of being flooded.

Sea Level Rise Could Cost Florida $400 Billion in Property Loss

And that is just the beginning.

Why do you guys keep posting that nonsense? The waters rise the waters fall in flordia been happing since the earth was born...

Because lying retards like you keep posting lies as to what is actually happening. Note that I am posting from local newspapers for the sites, or from scientific organizations.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Not mention actual global warming that will hammer our economies.

Why would actual global warming hammer our economies?

I don't see evidence that this will be a huge problem, unless we see some substantial increase in temp. If anything it may open up more land to be farm-able. If it rains more in some areas, that would make it easier to irrigate.

Photo by Roger W/Flickr CC
Sea Level Rise Could Cost Florida $400 Billion in Property Loss
JESS SWANSON | AUGUST 3, 2016 | 9:13AM
AA
An underwater home typically refers to a mortgage that is higher than the property's value. But as rising seas are expected to increasingly flood South Florida, scientists and economists have warned that the term might be taken literally one day.

A new study recently released by Zillow, the online real estate database, has quantified the effect of sea level rise on property values, and the findings are startling: $413 billion worth of properties are at risk of being at least partially submerged in Florida by 2100 — the most of any state, accounting for half of the nation's total projected $882 billion worth of property at risk of being flooded.

Sea Level Rise Could Cost Florida $400 Billion in Property Loss

And that is just the beginning.

Why do you guys keep posting that nonsense? The waters rise the waters fall in flordia been happing since the earth was born...

Because lying retards like you keep posting lies as to what is actually happening. Note that I am posting from local newspapers for the sites, or from scientific organizations.

What lies ? Seriously dude you didn't know the ocean rose before in flordia????

 

[Old Rocks]

Not mention actual global warming that will hammer our economies.

Why would actual global warming hammer our economies?

I don't see evidence that this will be a huge problem, unless we see some substantial increase in temp. If anything it may open up more land to be farm-able. If it rains more in some areas, that would make it easier to irrigate.

Photo by Roger W/Flickr CC
Sea Level Rise Could Cost Florida $400 Billion in Property Loss
JESS SWANSON | AUGUST 3, 2016 | 9:13AM
AA
An underwater home typically refers to a mortgage that is higher than the property's value. But as rising seas are expected to increasingly flood South Florida, scientists and economists have warned that the term might be taken literally one day.

A new study recently released by Zillow, the online real estate database, has quantified the effect of sea level rise on property values, and the findings are startling: $413 billion worth of properties are at risk of being at least partially submerged in Florida by 2100 — the most of any state, accounting for half of the nation's total projected $882 billion worth of property at risk of being flooded.

Sea Level Rise Could Cost Florida $400 Billion in Property Loss

And that is just the beginning.

Why do you guys keep posting that nonsense? The waters rise the waters fall in flordia been happing since the earth was born...

Because lying retards like you keep posting lies as to what is actually happening. Note that I am posting from local newspapers for the sites, or from scientific organizations.

What lies ? Seriously dude you didn't know the ocean rose before in flordia????

LOL Really? And how many millions of people were there in Florida at that time? How many trillions of dollars in real estate and buildings? You are one drooling idiot. Are you ever going to contribute anything of substance to this discussion?

 

[MaryL]

We in the west have to budget more money for combating more wild fires , more than 30 years ago, this was not an issue. We have to budget that NOW, its part of global warming. Even the Military has to factor in global warming now. It is a factor of our military now, they realize how deep this goes. If the Military factors this in, this isn't a joke or a hysterical political hoax. It's real as death, kiddos.

 

[skookerasbil]

People like you two have already fucked this nation up. You are the people that create pollution, and say it doesn't matter. You are the people that try to punish scientists for publishing the results of their studies. In other words, you two are really crap individuals that are completely ignorant of this subject that you post so much on. And global warming is already fucking up state budgets.

Climate change damages to Alaska public infrastructure and the economics of proactive adaptation

Abstract
Climate change in the circumpolar region is causing dramatic environmental change that is increasing the vulnerability of infrastructure. We quantified the economic impacts of climate change on Alaska public infrastructure under relatively high and low climate forcing scenarios [representative concentration pathway 8.5 (RCP8.5) and RCP4.5] using an infrastructure model modified to account for unique climate impacts at northern latitudes, including near-surface permafrost thaw. Additionally, we evaluated how proactive adaptation influenced economic impacts on select infrastructure types and developed first-order estimates of potential land losses associated with coastal erosion and lengthening of the coastal ice-free season for 12 communities. Cumulative estimated expenses from climate-related damage to infrastructure without adaptation measures (hereafter damages) from 2015 to 2099 totaled $5.5 billion (2015 dollars, 3% discount) for RCP8.5 and $4.2 billion for RCP4.5, suggesting that reducing greenhouse gas emissions could lessen damages by $1.3 billion this century. The distribution of damages varied across the state, with the largest damages projected for the interior and southcentral Alaska. The largest source of damages was road flooding caused by increased precipitation followed by damages to buildings associated with near-surface permafrost thaw. Smaller damages were observed for airports, railroads, and pipelines. Proactive adaptation reduced total projected cumulative expenditures to $2.9 billion for RCP8.5 and $2.3 billion for RCP4.5. For road flooding, adaptation provided an annual savings of 80–100% across four study eras. For nearly all infrastructure types and time periods evaluated, damages and adaptation costs were larger for RCP8.5 than RCP4.5. Estimated coastal erosion losses were also larger for RCP8.5.

LOL.... you show me the politician who's going to tell their constituents that they have to give up their cell phones, their fireplaces and their nice cars so the sea will stop rising 3 mm per year! Tell them their electric bills will double and they'll have to pay a $20 surcharge to travel into a city by car..... so they can lower the temperature 0.3 degrees !! Now there's a brilliant political strategy for ya!! Please go find me a politician who's going to run on that platform s0n!! Show me a link of one of the Tom Steyer boys who despite tens of millions consistently got their clocks cleaned in midterm elections!! I do think in this form before you post on complicated issues you should at least have to display that you dont have a political IQ of a small soap dish

Please show us where constituents of our congressmen are showing they want to open up their wallets to fight global warming?????

Links would be nice

 

[Old Rocks]

40 years ago, while working for the Forest Service, I fought fires. We were trying to save trees, and measured the fires in acres. Today, when these fires occur, they are trying to fight them, they are trying to save the towns, ranches, and farms. And they measure the fires in square miles, not acres. With the winds they are having today with these fires, even with the huge tanker planes, they cannot control them until the wind die down. And, more often than not, have to wait for the winter snows to declare them finally out.

 

[Old Rocks]

People like you two have already fucked this nation up. You are the people that create pollution, and say it doesn't matter. You are the people that try to punish scientists for publishing the results of their studies. In other words, you two are really crap individuals that are completely ignorant of this subject that you post so much on. And global warming is already fucking up state budgets.

Climate change damages to Alaska public infrastructure and the economics of proactive adaptation

Abstract
Climate change in the circumpolar region is causing dramatic environmental change that is increasing the vulnerability of infrastructure. We quantified the economic impacts of climate change on Alaska public infrastructure under relatively high and low climate forcing scenarios [representative concentration pathway 8.5 (RCP8.5) and RCP4.5] using an infrastructure model modified to account for unique climate impacts at northern latitudes, including near-surface permafrost thaw. Additionally, we evaluated how proactive adaptation influenced economic impacts on select infrastructure types and developed first-order estimates of potential land losses associated with coastal erosion and lengthening of the coastal ice-free season for 12 communities. Cumulative estimated expenses from climate-related damage to infrastructure without adaptation measures (hereafter damages) from 2015 to 2099 totaled $5.5 billion (2015 dollars, 3% discount) for RCP8.5 and $4.2 billion for RCP4.5, suggesting that reducing greenhouse gas emissions could lessen damages by $1.3 billion this century. The distribution of damages varied across the state, with the largest damages projected for the interior and southcentral Alaska. The largest source of damages was road flooding caused by increased precipitation followed by damages to buildings associated with near-surface permafrost thaw. Smaller damages were observed for airports, railroads, and pipelines. Proactive adaptation reduced total projected cumulative expenditures to $2.9 billion for RCP8.5 and $2.3 billion for RCP4.5. For road flooding, adaptation provided an annual savings of 80–100% across four study eras. For nearly all infrastructure types and time periods evaluated, damages and adaptation costs were larger for RCP8.5 than RCP4.5. Estimated coastal erosion losses were also larger for RCP8.5.

LOL.... you show me the politician who's going to tell their constituents that they have to give up their cell phones, their fireplaces and their nice cars so the sea will stop rising 3 mm per year! Tell them their electric bills will double and they'll have to pay a $20 surcharge to went to a city by car..... so they can lower the temperature 0.3 degrees !! Now there's a brilliant political strategy for ya!! Please go find me a politician who's going to run on that platform s0n!! Show me a link of one of the Tom Steyer boys who despite tens of millions consistently got their clocks cleaned in midterm elections!! I do think in this form before you post on complicated issues you should at least have to display that you dont have a political IQ of a small soap dish

Please show us where constituents of our congressmen are showing they want to open up their wallets to fight global warming?????

Links would be nice

A complete fucking lie. We can supply all of the power needs of this nation with renewables. We now have grid scale storage coming online, and both solar and wind are cheaper, measured by the kilowatt produced, that even dirty coal. We don't need nukes, we don't need, and should shut down, coal fired plants. Both solar and wind employ more people, and spread the money among our citizens in a far more equitable way than does coal, gas, or especially, nuclear.

 

[skookerasbil]

We in the west have to budget more money for combating more wild fires , more than 30 years ago, this was not an issue. We have to budget that NOW, its part of global warming. Even the Military has to factor in global warming now. It is a factor of our military now, they realize how deep this goes. If the Military factors this in, this isn't a joke or a hysterical political hoax.It's real as death, kiddos.

Hate to tell you sweetie but in this life it is necessary to be able to effectively think on the margin. Thankfully..... most people who do not possess a progressive mind do have the ability to think on the margin. Which is exactly why we have seen zero Congressional legislation on climate change in the past 10 years. With the real problems we face right in front of us only a total asshole is going to get on a debate stage and argue it is far more important to fight global warming then fix giant potholes in the roads and bridges that are falling down.
Candidates like that end up selling cars a couple of months later which we know from the 2014 and 2016 midterm elections. Every single green candidate got their clock cleaned.... don't take my word for it honey go check the election returns!!!

The real world the climate crusaders like Mary is a few millimeter rise in sea level in a few places around the globe. To the majority of people even raising that as a critical issue is laughable. LaUgHabLe

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

Can it be reversed if it is happening? Many people say no. Concurrently, it would take a global effort and many emerging economies are the biggest culprits. Try getting the Indians and Chinese to reduce their emissions. Not going to happen. So where are we really? I think this all really boils down to more western self flagellation.

 

[skookerasbil]

Why would actual global warming hammer our economies?

I don't see evidence that this will be a huge problem, unless we see some substantial increase in temp. If anything it may open up more land to be farm-able. If it rains more in some areas, that would make it easier to irrigate.

Photo by Roger W/Flickr CC
Sea Level Rise Could Cost Florida $400 Billion in Property Loss
JESS SWANSON | AUGUST 3, 2016 | 9:13AM
AA
An underwater home typically refers to a mortgage that is higher than the property's value. But as rising seas are expected to increasingly flood South Florida, scientists and economists have warned that the term might be taken literally one day.

A new study recently released by Zillow, the online real estate database, has quantified the effect of sea level rise on property values, and the findings are startling: $413 billion worth of properties are at risk of being at least partially submerged in Florida by 2100 — the most of any state, accounting for half of the nation's total projected $882 billion worth of property at risk of being flooded.

Sea Level Rise Could Cost Florida $400 Billion in Property Loss

And that is just the beginning.

Why do you guys keep posting that nonsense? The waters rise the waters fall in flordia been happing since the earth was born...

Because lying retards like you keep posting lies as to what is actually happening. Note that I am posting from local newspapers for the sites, or from scientific organizations.

What lies ? Seriously dude you didn't know the ocean rose before in flordia????

LOL Really? And how many millions of people were there in Florida at that time? How many trillions of dollars in real estate and buildings? You are one drooling idiot. Are you ever going to contribute anything of substance to this discussion?

What?!!!!

Who is getting hysterical about that besides you? The answer is absolutely nobody.... I live right near the ocean along with millions of other people who have seen oceanfront buildings getting destroyed since they were born. Living in the middle of the mountains in Radioland in the town of Scratchmyassville of course you have no clue that it's business as usual for people's concerns who live near the ocean. Nobody is raising an eyebrow on this except those OCD on the climate. Volumes and volumes of evidence of that

You can always tell people who have no clue about the size of New York potholes. To them a pothole is an imperfection in the road. Some people cast a line and fish out of them in NYC for Christakes.

Hmmm.... where do we think city councilman are going to push for money spent? Global warming.....oh but we have to close another fire house!! But hey.... in 50 years the temperature will be lower by 0.3 degrees!!!!