China's latest energy Megaprojects show that Coal is really on the way Out

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    We hear alot about Chinese polllution, Coal use, etc.
    Well China has been going Full guns AWAY from Coal and into wind and Solar.
    They'll probably still build some Better Coal plants, but pollution is dropping significantly despite their 6% growth. They are retro-fitting, builder cleaner coal, or not building it.

    Remember when Our govt/Obama subsidized USA plant went outa biz a few years ago: the scandal?
    Well that's because the Chinese Govt decided to go full bore and control solar manufacturing.
    They also put the largest German Solar manufacturer out business.
    This was/IS a crucial technology for them
    They are smart.

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    China's latest energy megaprojects show that coal is really on the way out
    Leanna Garfield - May. 9, 2018
    China's latest energy megaprojects show that coal is really on the way out

    "....To improve the country's air quality, the Chinese government vows to spend at least $360 Billion on clean energy projects and create 13 Million new Renewable energy jobs by 2020.

    China's latest energy megaprojects — two Giant Solar farms in Anhui, one of which will go online in May — could get the country closer to that goal.
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    In late 2017, the country built a massive floating solar farm on top of a former coal mine that had collapsed and flooded.
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    This year marks China's fourth anniversary since it started a "war on pollution," and there's reason to believe the country is making headway
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    Looking at over 200 monitors throughout China, a new analysis found that Chinese cities have cut concentrations of fine particulates — often considered the deadliest type of pollution — by 32% on average since 2013.
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    China is already one of the world's biggest investors in alternative energy sources like solar, wind, and hydropower.
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    The two new solar farms signal the slow decline of fossil fuels like coal in China and other countries around the world.
    [.....]

    China is one of the biggest countries to make a significant move Away from coal. Last year, the country Cancelled 104 new coal plants that were in development across 13 provinces.
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    The CCP feels that to be able to hold onto its power, it needs to have the people comfortable. The pollution levels over the last few years have been really bad, cancer rates are high as hell and people are getting angry.

    So, they want to do away with the anger.

    US politics shows the downfalls of Democracy. You can vote for whoever you like but it ends up being two parties because of the way voting take places. They don't care about the people. The Chinese govt cares MORE about the people than the US govt.
     
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    No, it shows the downfalls of the US system and the shackles of the nearly 250 year old piece of paper. For example, I don't think anyone would call Germany undemocratic but it has escaped capture by the two party system.
     
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    Well, I didn't say Democracy couldn't work, just that it can have downfalls. The US goes around the world claiming to promote "democracy" as if "democracy" itself is a shining light.
     
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    Oh it is, if implemented so citizenry is sufficiently represented. The idea that the POTUS does not lead the party in power is ludicrous to most outside eyes, as is the notion smaller states have greater representation per capita. US politics shows the downfall of the Constitution.
     
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    The biggest problem in the modern era is about legitimacy. The presidency looks less legitimate when the Republicans seem to gain an unfair advantage. Also with gerrymandering seeming to be a normal practice.

    One person, one vote seems to be fairer.
     
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    Equal representation in Congress is fairer still. Anchoring one's political system to a document 250 yrs old while ignoring the circumstances that created it - such as slavery, to a large part - is incomprehensible.

    And it creates this situation with dinosaur industries, like coal.
     
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    Yes, well, if you look at Proportional Representation in Germany you see that about 95% of people are represented in parliament.

    Germany has a 5% threshold which means two parties got 1% of the vote and don't get seat, two got .4% of the vote and don't get seats and 10 parties got between 0.1% and 0.3% and no seats.

    In the US the number of people not represented is actually quite high. Firstly because they feel they only have two choices, Republican and Democrat, and second because if their choice doesn't win, they're not represented.

    In Germany with FPTP the CDU/CSU gained 37.2% of the votes but gained 77% of the seats. That's how unfair it is.
     
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    Brooklyn, a single borough (of 5) in NYC, has about the same population of Wyoming, Montana, and South Dakota, put togther.
    But is down 6-0 in the Senate, and also porked in the electoral college.
    How many bills does/did that alone swing?
    That's why you have Farm Subsidies and all kinds of Warping that favors the GOP/rurals.
    (not to mention the fateful 2000 election, and to a lesser extent 2016)
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    Yes, if you count the votes the Republicans have extra, it's a lot. Votes they don't even need to worry about.
     
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