G. Beck had an interesting point on his show.

[ihopehefails]

Beck is incorrect and you have not researched this beyond progressives have belonged to both parties historically. Progressivism is not communism or facism nor is it socialism.

Until you learn how to define terms correctly, you and GB are going to reach incorrect conclusions.

Read Mein Kamp, observe how many times Hitler uses the term organic to describe the nation state, and then count how many times Wilson used the same term in his own writings.

Read Mein Kampf. Observe how many times he spoke of a Christian Germany and removing the ungodly. Then observe how often the Christian Right uses the same language....

Look at the NAZI platform and observe how they wanted to end child labor just like the progressives wanted to[/QUOTE

So opposing child labour makes one a Nazi?



Volkswagen...

Tell me that doesn't smack of Mussilini's corpratist theory or that doesn't sound like fascism's third way between communism and capitalism.

Calm down, Mr Beck. You're starting to sound like MICHAEL MOORE'S lost twin

Show me where he said he wanted a christian germany in Mein Kamp? Please quote and I will dismantle it by showing you what he meant by filling the german nation with the christian spirit.

 

[ihopehefails]

"Tell me that doesn't smack of Mussilini's corpratist theory or that doesn't sound like fascism's third way between communism and capitalism" certainly sounds like the pantings of some of our reactionaries to the far right here in America.

McCain? Is that you?

 

[ihopehefails]

Beck is incorrect and you have not researched this beyond progressives have belonged to both parties historically. Progressivism is not communism or facism nor is it socialism.

Until you learn how to define terms correctly, you and GB are going to reach incorrect conclusions.

Read Mein Kamp, observe how many times Hitler uses the term organic to describe the nation state, and then count how many times Wilson used the same term in his own writings.

Read Mein Kampf. Observe how many times he spoke of a Christian Germany and removing the ungodly. Then observe how often the Christian Right uses the same language....

Look at the NAZI platform and observe how they wanted to end child labor just like the progressives wanted to[/QUOTE

So opposing child labour makes one a Nazi?



Volkswagen...

Tell me that doesn't smack of Mussilini's corpratist theory or that doesn't sound like fascism's third way between communism and capitalism.

Calm down, Mr Beck. You're starting to sound like MICHAEL MOORE'S lost twin

And you sound like Lenin's grandchild.

 

[ihopehefails]

Communist locked up other communist groups so it wouldn't surprise me if one totalitarian wanted to do away with another totalitarain group because how can you have two totalitarian political organizations in the same country. One has to squash the other.

They didn't get along because they're not the same.

You mean communist locked up other communist because they were not the same? That doesn't make much sense.

 

[JakeStarkey]

"Tell me that doesn't smack of Mussilini's corpratist theory or that doesn't sound like fascism's third way between communism and capitalism" certainly sounds like the pantings of some of our reactionaries to the far right here in America.

McCain? Is that you?

McCain is an honorable American hero. That is what you mean, is it not?

 

[ihopehefails]

"Tell me that doesn't smack of Mussilini's corpratist theory or that doesn't sound like fascism's third way between communism and capitalism" certainly sounds like the pantings of some of our reactionaries to the far right here in America.

McCain? Is that you?

McCain is an honorable American hero. That is what you mean, is it not?

I meant you are both pretty close with the left.

 

[Big Black Dog]

He pointed out that the right calls left communist and left calls the right fascist whenever one side seeks to gain power over someone else but he pointed out that communism and fascism were nearly identical to each other on a philosophical level about the rights of individuals. He then pointed out that America doesn't have a communist or fascist problem but a progressive problem witch is neither liberal or conservative in any way. The philospophy that started in the beginning of the 20th century in American and has always infected both parties and definately was not friendly to the rights of individuals or freedom in any way.

It kind of made me wonder if you stripped the progressive out of both parties would would liberals and conservative be any different from each other?

If people would take the time to read his book, "Common Sense" you could clearly see how this is really true. It isn't the Democrats and the Republicans... It's the Progressives and they have made their way into both political parties. The book cost less than $6.00 at Wal-Mart and was a good read - that is, if you read it with an open mind.

 

[JakeStarkey]

ihhf is misdefining terms again. Any one far to his left is probably just a bit right of center. For ihhf it is merely a mistake in perception and vision.

 

[Neotrotsky]

"Tell me that doesn't smack of Mussilini's corpratist theory or that doesn't sound like fascism's third way between communism and capitalism" certainly sounds like the pantings of some of our reactionaries to the far right here in America.

Sounds more like Papa Obama's secret deals with big pharma

 

[JakeStarkey]

"Tell me that doesn't smack of Mussilini's corpratist theory or that doesn't sound like fascism's third way between communism and capitalism" certainly sounds like the pantings of some of our reactionaries to the far right here in America.

Sounds more like Papa Obama's secret deals with big pharma

No, it doesn't, but it does sound like you panting.

 

[Neotrotsky]

"Tell me that doesn't smack of Mussilini's corpratist theory or that doesn't sound like fascism's third way between communism and capitalism" certainly sounds like the pantings of some of our reactionaries to the far right here in America.

Sounds more like Papa Obama's secret deals with big pharma

No, it doesn't, but it does sound like you panting.

At the inevitable defeat of PapaObama care- hardly; his one term- possible


Jake, would you prefer crony capitalism ?;

the truth is hard for the left; in fact, it is their worst enemy

 

[Vast LWC]

He pointed out that the right calls left communist and left calls the right fascist whenever one side seeks to gain power over someone else but he pointed out that communism and fascism were nearly identical to each other on a philosophical level about the rights of individuals. He then pointed out that America doesn't have a communist or fascist problem but a progressive problem witch is neither liberal or conservative in any way. The philospophy that started in the beginning of the 20th century in American and has always infected both parties and definately was not friendly to the rights of individuals or freedom in any way.

It kind of made me wonder if you stripped the progressive out of both parties would would liberals and conservative be any different from each other?

That's not a point. That's a "Talking Point".

Blah, Blah, Liberalism and Progressivism are Communism and Fascism.

Thanks for the same old extremist right-wing conspiracy theory bullshit.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Sounds more like Papa Obama's secret deals with big pharma

No, it doesn't, but it does sound like you panting.

At the inevitable defeat of PapaObama care- hardly; his one term- possible


Jake, would you prefer crony capitalism ?;

the truth is hard for the left; in fact, it is their worst enemy

It is clear you don't understand progressivism, but that is OK. I dislike socialism, and I despise corporatism.

 

[Neotrotsky]

No, it doesn't, but it does sound like you panting.

At the inevitable defeat of PapaObama care- hardly; his one term- possible


Jake, would you prefer crony capitalism ?;

the truth is hard for the left; in fact, it is their worst enemy

It is clear you don't understand progressivism, but that is OK. I dislike socialism, and I despise corporatism.

Oh not at all; in fact I have lived it and know it

It does appear that since you dislike socialism then you must be confused about progressivism. After all Jake, statism, in any form, is the problem.

Again, if it makes you feel better to call crony capitalism something else
More power to you

It is your story and you can tell it anyway you want

 

[ScreamingEagle]

No, it doesn't, but it does sound like you panting.

At the inevitable defeat of PapaObama care- hardly; his one term- possible


Jake, would you prefer crony capitalism ?;

the truth is hard for the left; in fact, it is their worst enemy

It is clear you don't understand progressivism, but that is OK. I dislike socialism, and I despise corporatism.

Progressivism sure looks like "progress" toward Big Brother government to me...(see below)

If you dislike socialism but support progressivism....can you explain why the CPC was founded by the likes of corrupt, Chavez-loving, moron socialist Maxine Waters.... and openly Socialist Bernie Sanders.... and openly Socialist Ron Dellums?

According to its website, the CPC advocates "universal access to affordable, high quality healthcare", fair trade agreements, living wage laws, the right of all workers to organize into labor unions and engage in collective bargaining, the abolition of significant portions of the USA PATRIOT Act, the legalization of same-sex marriage, strict campaign finance reform laws, a complete pullout from the war in Iraq, a crackdown on corporate welfare and influence, an increase in income tax rates on the wealthy, tax cuts for the poor, and an increase in welfare spending by the federal government.

Congressional Progressive Caucus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ScreamingEagle]

You may want to re-read them again. No where does it say they are 'based' in collectivism. Having collectivism as a feature is not the same as being 'based' in. Capitalism and democracy also have collectivism as a feature, but I don't think you'd argue that it's based in collectivism.

And remember Beck was attempting to have a 'philosophical' discussions about these two forms of government. So, rather that using a cleaver, Beck was trying to use a scaple...albeit, very badly.

Why is it that you guys always fall back upon the nitpicking of words instead of facing the basic understanding......?

Call collectivism as not being "based in" but as "a feature" of communism or fascism.....i don't care....you will still notice that collectivism is still a more imposing aspect within both those two philosophies albeit in different forms....fascism has collective ownership by the state of the main forms of production....in America individuals own the companies....(at least they used to...)

Individualism or individual liberty is what made our country great.....and so different from all those other failed "collective" and totalitarian systems around the world.....ranging from monarchy to dictatorships to socialism to fascism to communism....

Nitpicking! That nitpicking, as you call it, is what distinguishes the different types of government. If you look at government with a broad enough brush, they are all alike. Calling every form of government 'totalitarian' except ours is an example of that broad brush.

scoff...scoff...is that all you can come back with...?

Again....Fascism is STATE ownership....therefore COLLECTIVE ownership....of the major means of production....

 

[JakeStarkey]

"Statism" is any form of government, and there your argument falls apart, no longer makes any sense. Government under the Founders, by your definition, was statism, and Hamilton would have been the worst of the statists. It is your story, and you can tell it anyway you want, neo, but it will a fairy tale.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

IHHF is too stupid to master the quote function and he wants to other what they believe?

I doubt he's even read Marx or Engels.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

No, it doesn't, but it does sound like you panting.

At the inevitable defeat of PapaObama care- hardly; his one term- possible


Jake, would you prefer crony capitalism ?;

the truth is hard for the left; in fact, it is their worst enemy

It is clear you don't understand progressivism, but that is OK. I dislike socialism, and I despise corporatism.

Which definition of socialism are you using? I use it in the Marxian sense and can't see any reason people would object to such progress towards egalitarianism and the recognition of human rights for even women and the poor.

 

[Neotrotsky]

"Statism" is any form of government, and there your argument falls apart, no longer makes any sense. Government under the Founders, by your definition, was statism, and Hamilton would have been the worst of the statists. It is your story, and you can tell it anyway you want, neo, but it will a fairy tale.

Sorry Jake, it is not just "any" that is where you have no argument. The founding fathers believed in individual rights and these have no place in statism.
The definition problem is with your rather naive and simplistic idea of progressivism. Hasn't all the failed attempts at man-made utopias in history proven this to you?

it is a major state role in directing the economy, either directly through state-owned or indirectly through economic planning

Thus, sovereignty is vested not in the people but in the state, and that all individuals and associations exist only to enhance the well-being of the state.


Funny, where have we heard that before?