G. Beck had an interesting point on his show.

[Mr.Fitnah]

Now my last post--and it is on progressivism


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It needs to be your last post as you are a talking out your ass moron .
Not to put to fine a point on it.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

How can anyone argue that the Socialists/Progressives haven't infested both parties? Look at the last two Administrations. There has been no "Change." This current "Hope & Change" President has adopted all of the last President's policies yet there are still millions of sheep running around the country claiming that there has been so much wonderful change. The Socialists/Progressives do currently control both parties. Glenn Beck isn't always right but he sure is on this one. Time for real change. Make 2010 count people.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Perhaps people object because it has failed miserably throughout history

Really?

Civil rights, women's suffrage, and OSHA are failures?

 

[☭proletarian☭]

The similiarity that exists between communism and fascism is called Authoritarianism--not progressivism.

By no stretch is communism authoritarianism. It's clear you know nothing of communism. If anything, the greatest flaw of communism is that it tends to have too weak a government in those lines which encourage direct democracy.

 

[Terry]

USA is not a democracy, it is a Republic.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

USA is not a democracy, it is a Republic.

Did you just learn this 4th grade civics lesson?

BTW, the Republican form is of the democratic type.

 

[amrchaos]

Now my last post--and it is on progressivism


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It needs to be your last post as you are a talking out your ass moron .
Not to put to fine a point on it.

And how am I talking out of my ass moron?

Of course, you are more known to insult than state your perspective, are you not Mr .Fitnah?

 

[amrchaos]

How can anyone argue that the Socialists/Progressives haven't infested both parties? Look at the last two Administrations. There has been no "Change." This current "Hope & Change" President has adopted all of the last President's policies yet there are still millions of sheep running around the country claiming that there has been so much wonderful change. The Socialists/Progressives do currently control both parties. Glenn Beck isn't always right but he sure is on this one. Time for real change. Make 2010 count people.

Socialists and Progressives are not the same.

The "socialists" in this case are not even hard line socialists since they are not planning on keeping the Auto-companies under government auspices forever, but plan on selling it for a profit(to the government) once the recession is over.

Glen Beck is playing fast and lose with terms and propaganda.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Now my last post--and it is on progressivism


.

It needs to be your last post as you are a talking out your ass moron .
Not to put to fine a point on it.

And how am I talking out of my ass moron?

Of course, you are more known to insult than state your perspective, are you not Mr .Fitnah?

Not really, Id say Ive hurled about a dozen insults since Ive been here .They are just memorable and well earned.

 

[amrchaos]

The similiarity that exists between communism and fascism is called Authoritarianism--not progressivism.

By no stretch is communism authoritarianism. It's clear you know nothing of communism. If anything, the greatest flaw of communism is that it tends to have too weak a government in those lines which encourage direct democracy.

Name a communist regime?

Either you will say that communism never existed or name a nation that has practiced a form of nationalization(governmental theft) and oppressed large segments of its population to obtain idealistic socialist goals.

In other words, you never seen communism, or practical communism at the national scale is authoritarianistic.

On the other hand, I do not understand why communist become enraged when it is pointed out to even come close to the left wing ideal version of communism(if there is any other or any at all) you will need to forcefully reprogram the population to accept leftwing propaganda. Force programming can be construed as a form of oppression. Oppression is the trade mark of the totalitarian.

In other words, presentable communism is authoritarian in nature.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Communism has never been practiced at the 'national scale' in any modern nation, nor can it, by definition.

A few examples of communism:
The Federation of Egalitarian Communities
Shakers
Quakers
Amish people

An interesting read:
The Success of American Communes. | North America > United States from AllBusiness.com

 

[ScreamingEagle]

The similiarity that exists between communism and fascism is called Authoritarianism--not progressivism.

By no stretch is communism authoritarianism. It's clear you know nothing of communism. If anything, the greatest flaw of communism is that it tends to have too weak a government in those lines which encourage direct democracy.

 

[amrchaos]

Communism has never been practiced at the 'national scale' in any modern nation, nor can it, by definition.

A few examples of communism:
The Federation of Egalitarian Communities
Shakers
Quakers
Amish people

An interesting read:
The Success of American Communes. | North America > United States from AllBusiness.com

These examples--Is that communism or communalism?

There is a difference!!


Or--this argument that communism was never practiced at the national scale--that could be propaganda due to every attempt turned into an embarrassing humanitarian mess! You can only go so far to the left or right before society falls apart.

Yet, these left/right extremists just cannot learn that. Being blinded by their ideas and all...

 

[antagon]

The similiarity that exists between communism and fascism is called Authoritarianism--not progressivism.

By no stretch is communism authoritarianism. It's clear you know nothing of communism. If anything, the greatest flaw of communism is that it tends to have too weak a government in those lines which encourage direct democracy.

challenge.

i dont think that you could affect the destruction of class structure in a society without authoritarian tactics. i think the main flaw is that communism attempts to run against this existential anthropology rather than with it. ala the 'pursuit of happiness'.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

The similiarity that exists between communism and fascism is called Authoritarianism--not progressivism.

By no stretch is communism authoritarianism. It's clear you know nothing of communism. If anything, the greatest flaw of communism is that it tends to have too weak a government in those lines which encourage direct democracy.

You can't argue with facts so you post a macro?



I already showed you what communism looks like and I already showed you what capitalism looks like.

Since you can't read, I'll give you something at your level

Valentine's Day Massacre - The National Labor Committee

Let me google that for you

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Communism has never been practiced at the 'national scale' in any modern nation, nor can it, by definition.

A few examples of communism:
The Federation of Egalitarian Communities
Shakers
Quakers
Amish people

An interesting read:
The Success of American Communes. | North America > United States from AllBusiness.com

These examples--Is that communism or communalism?

There is a difference!!


Or--this argument that communism was never practiced at the national scale--that could be propaganda due to every attempt turned into an embarrassing humanitarian mess! You can only go so far to the left or right before society falls apart.

Yet, these left/right extremists just cannot learn that. Being blinded by their ideas and all...

Communism, by definition, is small and local, with federations or confederations of independent members. Kinda like the Constitution with a conscience.

 

[ihopehefails]

IHHF is too stupid to master the quote function and he wants to other what they believe?

I doubt he's even read Marx or Engels.

What a dick you are!

 

[☭proletarian☭]

The similiarity that exists between communism and fascism is called Authoritarianism--not progressivism.

By no stretch is communism authoritarianism. It's clear you know nothing of communism. If anything, the greatest flaw of communism is that it tends to have too weak a government in those lines which encourage direct democracy.

challenge.

i dont think that you could affect the destruction of class structure in a society without authoritarian tactics. i think the main flaw is that communism attempts to run against this existential anthropology rather than with it. ala the 'pursuit of happiness'.

It is impossible to destroy all classes. Only fools seek such an ends. There will always be a necessary division of labour, and this division of labour gives rise to our first classes- the agricultural workers, the industrial workers, the bureaucrats, the petty bourgeoisie, the medical professionals, and so on. The objejctive should be not an attempt to destroy the existence of these different specialties or of other classes into which the People might organize themselves but rather to change the adversarial nature of these classes to one of cooperation for mutual benefit and healthy competition rather than aggression, unhealthy competition, and exploitation.

 

[ihopehefails]

"Statism" is any form of government, and there your argument falls apart, no longer makes any sense. Government under the Founders, by your definition, was statism, and Hamilton would have been the worst of the statists. It is your story, and you can tell it anyway you want, neo, but it will a fairy tale.

The founders believed in negative liberty which I believe is something where good people don't need the law to restrain their actions but do need it to restrain bad people who might harm them. Most laws were protections for one person against the actions of another such as anti-murder laws. Under this model it is impossible for the government to force its matrix of how you should live your life. You were free to do whatever you wanted up to the point you violated the safety of someone else.

Doesn't that sound pretty damn liberal?

 

[amrchaos]

Communism has never been practiced at the 'national scale' in any modern nation, nor can it, by definition.

A few examples of communism:
The Federation of Egalitarian Communities
Shakers
Quakers
Amish people

An interesting read:
The Success of American Communes. | North America > United States from AllBusiness.com

These examples--Is that communism or communalism?

There is a difference!!


Or--this argument that communism was never practiced at the national scale--that could be propaganda due to every attempt turned into an embarrassing humanitarian mess! You can only go so far to the left or right before society falls apart.

Yet, these left/right extremists just cannot learn that. Being blinded by their ideas and all...

Communism, by definition, is small and local, with federations or confederations of independent members. Kinda like the Constitution with a conscience.

A small and local federation or confederation??

(Con)Federations are rarely small, they can cover a geographical area like the early 13 states.