French Are "Resenting" America's Leadership On Tsunami Relief

[no1tovote4]

I got that...but people spend years paying back for the costs...thats a set back and people often don't choose to get treated...

Once again if they are indigent they pay none of it back the state pays for it (State not Federal Government). You are clearly not informed how healthcare works here, being misinformed I have been trying to inform you but you seem to be ignoring the answer for your preconceived notion.

Many studies have been put out about the level of "insured" without informing people that those who are uninsured can get care and don't have to pay for it. The states are required to pay for it. Since the states on a large part have Constitutions that require balanced budgets they do not spend years paying for it, they pay for it right away.

Some people do pay for their own healthcare, most of those are the truly rich but some would pay for their own and have to make payments they were not indigent to begin with. However they are still not denied care and they are not put into the poor house in order to make these payments either.

The system here is not as broken as you have been led to believe.

 

[j07950]

so you pay taxes AND pay for your health care !

No we pay taxes for our health care, and whatever little isn't covered we have Mutuels for that.

 

[no1tovote4]

No we pay taxes for our health care, and whatever little isn't covered we have Mutuels for that.

Copayments. It sounds like a bad HMO on steroids.

 

[Said1]

No we pay taxes for our health care, and whatever little isn't covered we have Mutuels for that.

:bangheads Meaning you pay taxes for health care and pay for it!!!!!!

 

[dilloduck]

Copayments. It sounds like a bad HMO on steroids.

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: made me spew coffee on that one !!!!

 

[j07950]

Once again if they are indigent they pay none of it back the state pays for it (State not Federal Government). You are clearly not informed how healthcare works here, being misinformed I have been trying to inform you but you seem to be ignoring the answer for your preconceived notion.

Many studies have been put out about the level of "insured" without informing people that those who are uninsured can get care and don't have to pay for it. The states are required to pay for it. Since the states on a large part have Constitutions that require balanced budgets they do not spend years paying for it, they pay for it right away.

Some people do pay for their own healthcare, most of those are the truly rich but some would pay for their own and have to make payments they were not indigent to begin with. However they are still not denied care and they are not put into the poor house in order to make these payments either.

The system here is not as broken as you have been led to believe.

I've been doing some research and what you are saying seems true... But if I remember correctly this wasn't the case when I still lived in the US in 1998. Is all this recent???
Also there are limits to this free health care for all:
http://californiaconnected.org/salons/
Prof. Tom Rice, UCLA
re: The impact for workers
There are several important consequences of our health insurance problems:
1. 43 million people are uninsured and most do not receive the same quantity or quality of care as those who are insured.

2. The cost of private health insurance is making it increasingly difficult for workers to afford coverage. We are seeing fewer employers offer coverage and fewer workers being able to purchase coverage that is subsidized by their employers. Furthermore, to keep premium increases even at the 15% annual level, patient cost sharing requirements are rising quickly, making care even less affordable.

3. The impact on the competitiveness of U.S. firms is probably overstated, however. It may be true that it costs Ford $1,000 per car to provide health insurance. Most if not all of these costs, however, are borne by workers through lower salaries. The bigger problem is for firms that employ large numbers of minimum wage workers. They can't lower wages if health insurance costs increase, so they are unable to afford to hire as many low-income workers. Of course, many of these firms don't offer health insurance coverage in the first place.

Not trying to bash, obviously the US health care service is a lot better than it used to be...But don't accuse the French government of overspending on it's people...thats not fair....this was the actual discussion, don't know how it evolved into the US's health care system.

 

[padisha emperor]

no1, I said i miss one page..i didn't see you already answer, don't be nervous...


Said1 and the others, no, we don't pay twice.

the french State pay about 70% of the health care, of any kind.
The mutuals are taken by people, if they want- sometimes they have to take one, like in the big companies, like Air France - and the mutual pay the 30% who are not paid by the State.
the French healthcare system is really excellent, and it is not far to be free.

 

[j07950]

:bangheads Meaning you pay taxes for health care and pay for it!!!!!!

You can laugh all you want but even as you say we pay taxes for health care and pay for it...its way way way less than what you pay...Don't know whats wrong with that...

 

[HorhayAtAMD]

My question about the American health care system is that if no one can be turned away from hospital, why pay for health insurance? Can you get a checkup of any sort? If you walk into emergency with a suspected broken thumb (or some other ailment that will fix itself eventually), will anyone do anything for you? I have to admit that I get a bit confused about why people pay for health insurance in the US if they can get all the care they need without it? Basically, what does health insurance give you that would cost you a fortune if you didn't have it?

 

[dilloduck]

You can laugh all you want but even as you say we pay taxes for health care and pay for it...it way way way less than what you pay...Don't know whats wrong with that...

If you like it--keep it-------just don't trash the US health care systems with lies. Learn something about it before you criticize it

 

[Said1]

You can laugh all you want but even as you say we pay taxes for health care and pay for it...its way way way less than what you pay...Don't know whats wrong with that...

I don't think the little smilies were laughing.

And for the third time, I'm CANADIAN, like from Canada eh. I pay nothing when I go to the hospital, we have socialized heath care here too. If our provincial government doesn't pay for certain services, I have the option of paying cash, or using private insurance if I have it (which I do).

 

[j07950]

Still not overly impressed with everything I've been reading...
Check this out: http://www.matthewholt.net/2003/10/industry-price-discrimination-lives.html

Yeah I see what you mean...HorhayAtAMD...don't know what the answer is, there are probably things that prevent people who can afford health care of not maying for it...interesting question.

 

[dilloduck]

My question about the American health care system is that if no one can be turned away from hospital, why pay for health insurance? Can you get a checkup of any sort? If you walk into emergency with a suspected broken thumb (or some other ailment that will fix itself eventually), will anyone do anything for you? I have to admit that I get a bit confused about why people pay for health insurance in the US if they can get all the care they need without it? Basically, what does health insurance give you that would cost you a fortune if you didn't have it?

More choices

 

[no1tovote4]

I've been doing some research and what you are saying seems true... But if I remember correctly this wasn't the case when I still lived in the US in 1998. Is all this recent???
Also there are limits to this free health care for all:
http://californiaconnected.org/salons/
Prof. Tom Rice, UCLA
re: The impact for workers
There are several important consequences of our health insurance problems:
1. 43 million people are uninsured and most do not receive the same quantity or quality of care as those who are insured.

2. The cost of private health insurance is making it increasingly difficult for workers to afford coverage. We are seeing fewer employers offer coverage and fewer workers being able to purchase coverage that is subsidized by their employers. Furthermore, to keep premium increases even at the 15% annual level, patient cost sharing requirements are rising quickly, making care even less affordable.

3. The impact on the competitiveness of U.S. firms is probably overstated, however. It may be true that it costs Ford $1,000 per car to provide health insurance. Most if not all of these costs, however, are borne by workers through lower salaries. The bigger problem is for firms that employ large numbers of minimum wage workers. They can't lower wages if health insurance costs increase, so they are unable to afford to hire as many low-income workers. Of course, many of these firms don't offer health insurance coverage in the first place.

Not trying to bash, obviously the US health care service is a lot better than it used to be...But don't accuse the French government of overspending on it's people...thats not fair....this was the actual discussion, don't know how it evolved into the US's health care system.

As I said, it can be improved but it simply isn't as bad as everybody seems to think it is. For some reason everybody believes that people that have no insurance simply go without here and it isn't the case. While their level of care isn't subsistence it isn't the highest either. A multimillionaire is going to be able to afford some better care than I can, and I better care than the indigent. I can pay for a private room, they cannot, etc.

 

[freeandfun1]

You can laugh all you want but even as you say we pay taxes for health care and pay for it...its way way way less than what you pay...Don't know whats wrong with that...

actually, I wonder if you really pay less. You pay for your coverage in high taxes, we pay for our coverage in insurance premiums. If they are both compared, I really wonder which one is more expensive based on what you get....

Just because YOU might not be paying the taxes, that doesn't mean that nobody is..... Somebody is paying for your healthcare so in the long run, it probably isn't any cheaper....

 

[dilloduck]

As I said, it can be improved but it simply isn't as bad as everybody seems to think it is. For some reason everybody believes that people that have no insurance simply go without here and it isn't the case. While their level of care isn't subsistence it isn't the highest either. A multimillionaire is going to be able to afford some better care than I can, and I better care than the indigent. I can pay for a private room, they cannot, etc.

The US happens to think that being responsible for oneself as much as possible is good for the people and good for the government. It's just that simple.

 

[no1tovote4]

My question about the American health care system is that if no one can be turned away from hospital, why pay for health insurance? Can you get a checkup of any sort? If you walk into emergency with a suspected broken thumb (or some other ailment that will fix itself eventually), will anyone do anything for you? I have to admit that I get a bit confused about why people pay for health insurance in the US if they can get all the care they need without it? Basically, what does health insurance give you that would cost you a fortune if you didn't have it?

If you can afford insurance they (the states) will not pay for your services, you have to. Therefore if you can afford insurance you either have to get insurance or pay for your own healthcare.

 

[j07950]

As I said, it can be improved but it simply isn't as bad as everybody seems to think it is. For some reason everybody believes that people that have no insurance simply go without here and it isn't the case. While their level of care isn't subsistence it isn't the highest either. A multimillionaire is going to be able to afford some better care than I can, and I better care than the indigent. I can pay for a private room, they cannot, etc.

I agree with that...Like I said I've just done some reading and agree with what you are saying. I understand that now...
"A multimillionaire is going to be able to afford some better care than I can, and I better care than the indigent." See thats not true in France. People get the same treatments. And the cost is cheaper, even if you pay for mutuels...
Here is how it works...just found that in english for you guys..:
France
France is has a population similar to Britain's; 59,330,000 in this case. This is comparable to the Western region of the US, which the Census Bureau measures at 63,197,932. France has an infant mortality rate of 4.51 deaths/1,000 live births, better than Britain and considerably better than the US. France's life expectancy at birth is 74.85 years for men and 82.89 years for women; better by half a year for men and by three years for women.
The per capita GDP of France is toward the high end for European countries at $23,300, and 9.4% of it is spent on health care. This gives a relatively high $2190 per capita, or just slightly more than half of US expenses.
The country has had a national health insurance system since 1928, but universal coverage did not occur until 1978. The French health care system is primarily funded by Sickness Insurance Funds (SIF's), which are autonomous, not-for-profit, government-regulated bodies with national headquarters and regional networks. They are financed by compulsory payroll contributions (13% of wage), of employers (70% of contributions) and employees (30% of contributions). SIF's cover 99% of the population and account for 75% of health expenditures. The 3 main SIF's (CNAMTS, MSA, and CANAM) cover about 95% of the population, and the remaining 5% of the insured population are covered under 11 smaller schemes. The remainder of health expenditures is covered by the central government, by patients' out-of-pocket payments, and by Mutual Insurance Funds (MIF's), which provide supplemental and voluntary private insurance to cover cost-sharing arrangements and extra billings. MIF's cover 80% of the population and account for 6% of health expenditures. The major public authority in the French health system is the Ministry of Health. Below this are 21 regional health offices that regulate each of the 95 provinces.
Patients are free to choose their providers and have no limits on the number of services covered. GP's have no formal gatekeeper function. Private physicians are paid on a fee-for-service basis and patients subsequently receive partial or full reimbursement from their health insurance funds. The average charge for an office visit to a GP and a specialist are $18 and $25, respectively. Private hospitals are profit-making and non-profit making, usually with fee-for-service physicians. Public hospitals employ salaried physicians, who make up 1/3 of all GP's in France. All medical and nursing education is free.

 

[padisha emperor]

freeandfun, be sure, the french health care system is quite free.
We pay taxes, but after, the mediacl acres are free.
the State pay 70%.
It comes from taxes, but not only.
It is why the social security is in deficit.
but the french citizens have one of the best - I even believe it is the best, with some scandinavian countries - healthcare system.

don't compaer the french and the US health care system.
Our is really really cheaper.
And to refer to no1, even the poors have a private room.
not social inequalities.

 

[dilloduck]

I agree with that...Like I said I've just done some reading and agree with what you are saying. I understand that now...
"A multimillionaire is going to be able to afford some better care than I can, and I better care than the indigent." See thats not true in France. People get the same treatments. And the cost is cheaper, even if you pay for mutuels...
Here is how it works...just found that in english for you guys..:
France
France is has a population similar to Britain's; 59,330,000 in this case. This is comparable to the Western region of the US, which the Census Bureau measures at 63,197,932. France has an infant mortality rate of 4.51 deaths/1,000 live births, better than Britain and considerably better than the US. France's life expectancy at birth is 74.85 years for men and 82.89 years for women; better by half a year for men and by three years for women.
The per capita GDP of France is toward the high end for European countries at $23,300, and 9.4% of it is spent on health care. This gives a relatively high $2190 per capita, or just slightly more than half of US expenses.
The country has had a national health insurance system since 1928, but universal coverage did not occur until 1978. The French health care system is primarily funded by Sickness Insurance Funds (SIF's), which are autonomous, not-for-profit, government-regulated bodies with national headquarters and regional networks. They are financed by compulsory payroll contributions (13% of wage), of employers (70% of contributions) and employees (30% of contributions). SIF's cover 99% of the population and account for 75% of health expenditures. The 3 main SIF's (CNAMTS, MSA, and CANAM) cover about 95% of the population, and the remaining 5% of the insured population are covered under 11 smaller schemes. The remainder of health expenditures is covered by the central government, by patients' out-of-pocket payments, and by Mutual Insurance Funds (MIF's), which provide supplemental and voluntary private insurance to cover cost-sharing arrangements and extra billings. MIF's cover 80% of the population and account for 6% of health expenditures. The major public authority in the French health system is the Ministry of Health. Below this are 21 regional health offices that regulate each of the 95 provinces.
Patients are free to choose their providers and have no limits on the number of services covered. GP's have no formal gatekeeper function. Private physicians are paid on a fee-for-service basis and patients subsequently receive partial or full reimbursement from their health insurance funds. The average charge for an office visit to a GP and a specialist are $18 and $25, respectively. Private hospitals are profit-making and non-profit making, usually with fee-for-service physicians. Public hospitals employ salaried physicians, who make up 1/3 of all GP's in France. All medical and nursing education is free.

Americans prefer to be more self reliant than French people I guess