Forgotten heroes: Tribute to police officers. Please dont move.

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    Politics and politicians affect so many people, but none more than cops, who are the buffer between moronic politicians and the people. Without cops to pick and choose which laws are plain stupid and refuse to enforce, and which are necessary for a society, we would be subject to every stupid idea some moron in office thought should be law.

    Since 4:00 pm yesterday, over 15 cops have been shot. 2010 was one of the worst years ever for cops killed on duty. 2011 is starting off just as bad. Community policing has weakened the image of a cop from a big, strong man who enforces laws, to a mere community service person who is there to literally serve whining citizens. Add to that a growing hatred of cops, which stems from both the individual, and issues in society that add to a bad image of cops.

    As a former cop, I want to thank all the men and women who put on a vest, badge and gun and take the safety of strangers into their own hands at the risk of their own lives. In my brief time behind the badge, I realized the following:

    The general public often demands of cops:

    - The knowledge of a lawyer- they expect a cop to know everything about every law, and be able to recall it on the side of a street at a seconds notice. The job demands common sense as well as book knowledge. Anyone who thinks otherwise is truly ignorant. There are no dumb cops. Lazy ones yes. Corrupt ones, sometimes. Lack of commons sense? Some of the rookies who wont last long, yes. Dumb? None.
    - The courage of a soldier- they expect a cop to run into a gunfire situation, against superior firepower many times, without hesitation.
    - The fitness of an athlete- despite society at large in the country being mostly obese, citizens hammer any cop who may be carrying a few extra pounds......while at the same time calling the very fit guy who keeps his uniform impecable "uptight" for presenting such an image, and saying he was just bullied in high school. Can't win with appearance.
    - The morality of clergy. They expect a cop to be the upmost of morality, which is fine. A cop is not allowed to be seen without a seat belt. Or speeding 5 over. Cops are expected to follow every law, every second of every day, which literally no citizen can live up to.
    - The patience of a teacher- They expect cops to have absolutely no temper, despite wanting a guy who is alpha type and willing to run into gunfire, they also expect him to stand there and be verbally blasted and put up with people acting like pure animals, all while keeping a calm, neutral demeanor. Good luck.
    - The creativity of a guidance counselor- These days, cops are called on to be nannys for out of control children, the mediator between neighbors who cant even ask the other to put the barking dog inside the home, and the solution to every single nusance that any citizen cant figure out themselves without government help.

    - The willingness to work for the pay of a janitor. Combine all the above expectations into a job description, and no one would want that shit. Add to it that the janitor of the local city hall probably makes nearly as much as the cops (same with firemen and teachers) and it's amazing that anyone would sign up for that job at all.

    But amazingly, tonight in America, thousands of cops will enter their roll call breifing, possessing all of the above, and go out into the streets with no clue if their night will consist of sheer boredom and trying to mix the perfect cup of coffee at 2am at the local 7-11...........or clinging to life with bullets in them while their loved ones wait in terror in the ER waiting room. God Bless you all, and be safe.



    The above applies just the same to all you military folks, who sadly are being turned into the "World Police" and getting hamstringed by lawyers the same way domestic cops are. A tribute thread to you all is justified too.....can a vet please take that up for me?
     
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    The job of Police Officer has become extreamly difficult, thanks libs.
     
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    Also, any current or former firemen and teachers, please add a tribute thread. This is not relative to any political party or issue. I just think sometimes, it's good to recognize the underappreciated folks who hold our society together so that we can come here and bitch about Dems, Reps, etc, etc. I'm typing this well because of a teacher. I'm doing it in a well electrified building that is safe because of firemen and fire codes. I'm not looking over my shoulder worried I'll be robbed because cops are driving around. I don't have to look up at passing planes and worry if we're being bombed because of the military. Thanks to all.
     
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    It has, but can't just blame libs. I dont' want this thread, or the fire, teacher, military tributes I'm asking for, to get taken over by partisan talk (as much fun as that is). But gov't and lawyers as a whole have made it difficult. Cops are underpaid, underfunded. Budget cuts, which is a conservative thing, will drain money from police depts. But again, not the time to blame right or left. Just thanks to you all out on patrol tonight, go home safe.
     
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    Listening to "You're Welcome" on Sirius 103 right now, taking calls about traffic congestion in Tampa area. Caller called in complaining about the traffic jam due to the procession of police vehicles to honor the 2 fallen St Petersburg cops from yesterday, and caller literally said:

    "Of course they just have to do the procession downtown during work hours, they forget about all of us who (raised voice) AREN'T DEAD that still have to go to work."

    Host basically was stunned, and said, we have to honor those men.

    There we go. Perfect example of how many citizens view cops now.
     
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    Quote by TruthMatters on another thread: "Officers are dead today because of right wing shooters who thought their guns were going to be taken away by Obama"

    Pathetic. Officers are dead yearly for many reasons.

    Undertraining. Cities spend more on parks and cultural arts centers than police training facilities.

    Lawyers. Cops can't even have their guns out of holsters in most PD's until a shithead already has his out. If they approach a car (an unknown) they cant have the gun out because someone will be offended and a lawyer will file a civil rights lawsuit.

    Thugs and shitheads. Most police who get shot do so because a multiple time felon is out of jail and doesn't want to go back. Lax sentencing by judges and the appeals and parole system are what hurt cops.

    And of course, an overall society that looks at cops as dispensable, annoyances. Lots go into that attitude, including movie depictions, politics, television glorification, music lyrics, an overall lack of respect for authority in our society, and it never helps when the most powerful man in the world utters the phrase "The police acted stupidly" before having any of the facts.
     
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    You are not winning any points telling us you refuse to follow the law when it suits your purpose. If you reach a point in your life you can no longer honor your oath, it is time to step down. That does't mean there isn't somewhere else you can serve in the same capacity with more flexibility. ie black water, etc.
     
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    No, refusing to "enforce" a law. Reading comprehension. The bedrock of our freedom lies with police descretion. Cops can pick and choose which laws they will enforce day to day. No one can force a cop to write a ticket. Or to arrest someone for simple possession. Cops have a huge amount of descretion. Which is why if a town council, state, or federal gov't, passes a stupid ass-backwards law, the cops can say "Nope" and not enforce it. Cops are the buffer between tyranny and freedom.

    OR.....I suppose you'd rather have a police force of robots, right? Who are NOT allowed descretion? So if a city council outlaws green t-shirts, the cops must go out and lock up anyone wearing a green t-shirt, right?

    I know, it pisses you off when you hear cops get to choose which laws and when they are enforced. It's a lot of power. But the alternative is a cop who has not descretion. Who must enforce EVERY law EVERY time he sees it violated. 1 mph over the spee limit? Ticket. Have a headlight out? Ticket. Get a little shoving match with a mouthy buddy? Assault. Jail. That would be better, right? When cops dont get to use judgement? According to you, yes.

    And you're probably the same type who would be outraged if a cop pulls a car over, and lets him go without a ticket because the driver is an off-duty cop in his personal vehicle, right?
     
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    A friend of mine back east just became a cop. I frankly told him to not become an asshole and to keep as much of a cool head as humanly possible while on duty. While cops being killed is a tragedy, it doesn't surprise me in the least considering how bad apple officers treat law-abiding citizens with contempt. Jerk policemen bearing malicious attitudes fuels the hatred of the police force.


    EDIT: Previous post answered my question.

    Isn't a sizable chunk of the police force comprised of former members of the military or did I get my facts wrong?

    Citizens hold officers to the same standards officers hold citizens to. A seatbelt violation costs at least 142 dollars if not more so when an officer has his off and rides around with impunity, it boils the plebs' blood.



    You forgot Firemen and EMTs.

    Yes. That's special treatment. If an off-duty cop is flooring it past 100 mph and an officer pulls him over and let's him off because he's a badge, that's bullshit.
     
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    You wont answer, obviously, so I'll explain why your outrage over cops letting other cops go with warnings is a GOOD thing!!!

    Lets say you are driving your Prius or Leaf down the highway at 75 mph in a 55 or 65 mph zone. And there is a city cop and a highway patrolman, both running radar on that road.

    City cop= Last car he pulled over was an off duty highway patrolman with his wife going to a movie and running late. The city cop said "Hey man, slow it down for me, heres a warning." And he left.

    Highway cop= Last car he pulled over was an off duty city cop with his son, late for a ballgame. The highway patrolman takes his oath so serious, he enforces the law blindly, with no judgement. The highway patrolman said to the off duty city cop "You should know better. You are no different than anyone. Here is a ticket for the full charge of the fine and violation. Goodbye."


    Now, you see both sets of blue lights on each car light up and begin to come after you. You hope and pray the cop that gets you will be leniant, and write you a warning also, right? Of course. We all hope we just get a warning. So which cop you want to stop you? The one who also gave another cop a warning just because he was a cop? Or the one that is so hardcore dedicated to his oath, that he even writes other cops the same ticket?

    You won't answer honestly, but I know what you are thinking.
     

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