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Dear USMB members:
Much to my dismay I found a wonderful website
that Parture referred, and was very hopeful this was
a good way to help establish consensus on God and eradicate errors.
However, because I used terms incorrectly I got banned from that site,
accused of not being Christian and doubletalk in answering the questions wrong.
So I had to go back and deny all my faith in the Bible
and change all the answers to "not sure" in order to make sure I didn't make a mistake again
in answering those questions.
What kind of website would punish people for answering as honestly
as possible even though I may have made a mistake in explaining my views?
What kind of website would accuse people of guilty until proven innocent?
This is really sad because there is a section there on sharing about the Trinity
which I believe is the key in uniting all people in understanding
and now I cannot even post there because I have been falsely accused
of not being a believer.
Parture if you are reading this, this SADDENS me and makes
me want to renounce my faith if this is how Christians treat each other.
If I am not free to share honestly how and why I believe the Holy Trinity
is Universal but am accused for teaching this, then I ask you to prove
me a false prophet, put me on public trial, and let me be put to death
if I am speaking falsely. I have had enough of this weird behavior.
I even was honest about mentioning what websites referred
me here, and got an infraction for naming those sites that included advertising.
That site is a wonderful site content wise and I am sorry that it excludes people
based on false accusation and suspicion.
If I made mistakes I thought the point of Christianity is to
forgive and correct mistakes instead of judge and condemn people
first and then ask questions later? What kind of rebuke calls for that?
The Christianity I know respects natural laws of due process
as given by God, so this is contradictory with God's natural laws of justice.
If you have any comments please share,
because I am shocked and appalled that fellow Christians
would issue judgment and punishment first, even accusing a
fellow Christian of things I didn't mean the way I was accused
and was honestly trying to answer honestly.
Very strange, but I should not be surprised anymore.
No wonder people cannot stand Christians.
I feel owe an apology to all my atheist friends who warned me
Christians make no sense and contradict themselves
as hateful, judgmental unforgiving and beyond reasonable explanation!
Please tell me this can be corrected.
Otherwise I find it very hard to believe
* that because I teach forgiveness in Christ on a universal scale,
this means I am going to hell as a nonbeliever
* that because I agree with the Bible
and answered yes to those questions
that I am banned, so I had to change all my answers
to "not sure" and deny my faith in order not to make
any more mistakes by putting yes or no. This site
is forcing me to be "unsure" and has penalized
me for saying I agree with the Bible?
Sorry but this makes me not want to be Christian
if I have to fix this mess in order to prove that I am.
Maybe it's not worth the trouble.
Sorry Parture but if this is what I have to do to "prove I am Christian"
I don't think forcing people to deny agreeing with the Bible in order not to make a mistake
and punishing forgiveness is very Christian at all.
Whatever joke this is, I think it is sad.
Jesus and his real teachers--all teach--Jesus has a God-his Father--John 20:17, Rev 3:12--2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6, 1Cor 15:24-28---1Peter 1:3--- Rev 1:6---- all 100% in agreement--Jesus has a God his Father---now isn't the rule if another gospel besides what Jesus and his apostles taught, is being taught--it is not true.
The facts of Israelite history prove 0 trinity exists, and their translations are erred from Catholicism council teachings. Catholicism translated Gods word--then originals were gone--all trinity translations are from their translating.
Trinity religions = a house divided will not stand-Mark 3:24-26) 1Cor 1:10)
From Moses on up until this very day--a single being mono God named-YHWH(Jehovah) was taught and served--even to Jesus his first 30 years attending the synagogues--he never refuted that teaching or God, as I showed above--that God was taught by Jesus and his real teachers---this is bottom line reality--John 4:22-24
Hi kjw47 Welcome and Thanks for joining in and posting.
A. I agree to stick with the Scripture:
Matthew 28:19
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,
baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
Are we in agreement here?
The Father Son and Holy Spirit,
Heavenly Father/ Christ Jesus/ Holy Spirit
B. Do YOU agree to refer to Holy Spirit
as the COMFORTER.
ACTIVE FORCE does not literally appear in the Bible
but COMFORTER does.
Active Force is a loose description or explanation of passages like this:
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
But here the Holy Spirit comes with Jesus as the COMFORTER:
John 14
16And I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
full context:
9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. 12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15If ye love me, keep my commandments.
^ Do we both also agree these are the Two Great Commandment
that all the laws and the prophets are based on, plus the New Commandment
Jesus gives us in John 13:34 that make the THREE Complete
Love of the Father, Love of the Son, Love of the Holy Spirit:
Matthew 22:36-40King James Version (KJV)
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
JOHN 13:34
34"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.35"By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
Are we in agreement in Christ that these THREE are ONE
where the love of Christ joins the love of one another and the love of the Father as ONE?