Forced to deny my Christian faith to enter a Christian website? What?

[emilynghiem]

Dear USMB members:

Much to my dismay I found a wonderful website
that Parture referred, and was very hopeful this was
a good way to help establish consensus on God and eradicate errors.

However, because I used terms incorrectly I got banned from that site,
accused of not being Christian and doubletalk in answering the questions wrong.

So I had to go back and deny all my faith in the Bible
and change all the answers to "not sure" in order to make sure I didn't make a mistake again
in answering those questions.

What kind of website would punish people for answering as honestly
as possible even though I may have made a mistake in explaining my views?

What kind of website would accuse people of guilty until proven innocent?

This is really sad because there is a section there on sharing about the Trinity
which I believe is the key in uniting all people in understanding
and now I cannot even post there because I have been falsely accused
of not being a believer.

Parture if you are reading this, this SADDENS me and makes
me want to renounce my faith if this is how Christians treat each other.
If I am not free to share honestly how and why I believe the Holy Trinity
is Universal but am accused for teaching this, then I ask you to prove
me a false prophet, put me on public trial, and let me be put to death
if I am speaking falsely. I have had enough of this weird behavior.

I even was honest about mentioning what websites referred
me here, and got an infraction for naming those sites that included advertising.

That site is a wonderful site content wise and I am sorry that it excludes people
based on false accusation and suspicion.

If I made mistakes I thought the point of Christianity is to
forgive and correct mistakes instead of judge and condemn people
first and then ask questions later? What kind of rebuke calls for that?

The Christianity I know respects natural laws of due process
as given by God, so this is contradictory with God's natural laws of justice.

If you have any comments please share,
because I am shocked and appalled that fellow Christians
would issue judgment and punishment first, even accusing a
fellow Christian of things I didn't mean the way I was accused
and was honestly trying to answer honestly.

Very strange, but I should not be surprised anymore.

No wonder people cannot stand Christians.

I feel owe an apology to all my atheist friends who warned me
Christians make no sense and contradict themselves
as hateful, judgmental unforgiving and beyond reasonable explanation!

Please tell me this can be corrected.

Otherwise I find it very hard to believe
* that because I teach forgiveness in Christ on a universal scale,
this means I am going to hell as a nonbeliever
* that because I agree with the Bible
and answered yes to those questions
that I am banned, so I had to change all my answers
to "not sure" and deny my faith in order not to make
any more mistakes by putting yes or no. This site
is forcing me to be "unsure" and has penalized
me for saying I agree with the Bible?

Sorry but this makes me not want to be Christian
if I have to fix this mess in order to prove that I am.

Maybe it's not worth the trouble.
Sorry Parture but if this is what I have to do to "prove I am Christian"
I don't think forcing people to deny agreeing with the Bible in order not to make a mistake
and punishing forgiveness is very Christian at all.

Whatever joke this is, I think it is sad.

 

[cnm]

You could give a hint as to the site. It wasn't Landover, was it?

 

[emilynghiem]

You could give a hint as to the site. It wasn't Landover, was it?

I reported it as redirecting to a website. So I am not going to redirect to it either.

I am more disappointed.
I see a lot of potential in Parture and in that website,
so I don't want to discourage them but just find this completely bizarre.
What a complete shame. Got my hopes up and now I feel loss.

 

[ninja007]

Dear USMB members:

Much to my dismay I found a wonderful website
that Parture referred, and was very hopeful this was
a good way to help establish consensus on God and eradicate errors.

However, because I used terms incorrectly I got banned from that site,
accused of not being Christian and doubletalk in answering the questions wrong.

So I had to go back and deny all my faith in the Bible
and change all the answers to "not sure" in order to make sure I didn't make a mistake again
in answering those questions.

What kind of website would punish people for answering as honestly
as possible even though I may have made a mistake in explaining my views?

What kind of website would accuse people of guilty until proven innocent?

This is really sad because there is a section there on sharing about the Trinity
which I believe is the key in uniting all people in understanding
and now I cannot even post there because I have been falsely accused
of not being a believer.

Parture if you are reading this, this SADDENS me and makes
me want to renounce my faith if this is how Christians treat each other.
If I am not free to share honestly how and why I believe the Holy Trinity
is Universal but am accused for teaching this, then I ask you to prove
me a false prophet, put me on public trial, and let me be put to death
if I am speaking falsely. I have had enough of this weird behavior.

I even was honest about mentioning what websites referred
me here, and got an infraction for naming those sites that included advertising.

That site is a wonderful site content wise and I am sorry that it excludes people
based on false accusation and suspicion.

If I made mistakes I thought the point of Christianity is to
forgive and correct mistakes instead of judge and condemn people
first and then ask questions later? What kind of rebuke calls for that?

The Christianity I know respects natural laws of due process
as given by God, so this is contradictory with God's natural laws of justice.

If you have any comments please share,
because I am shocked and appalled that fellow Christians
would issue judgment and punishment first, even accusing a
fellow Christian of things I didn't mean the way I was accused
and was honestly trying to answer honestly.

Very strange, but I should not be surprised anymore.

No wonder people cannot stand Christians.

I feel owe an apology to all my atheist friends who warned me
Christians make no sense and contradict themselves
as hateful, judgmental unforgiving and beyond reasonable explanation!

Please tell me this can be corrected.

Otherwise I find it very hard to believe
* that because I teach forgiveness in Christ on a universal scale,
this means I am going to hell as a nonbeliever
* that because I agree with the Bible
and answered yes to those questions
that I am banned, so I had to change all my answers
to "not sure" and deny my faith in order not to make
any more mistakes by putting yes or no. This site
is forcing me to be "unsure" and has penalized
me for saying I agree with the Bible?

Sorry but this makes me not want to be Christian
if I have to fix this mess in order to prove that I am.

Maybe it's not worth the trouble.
Sorry Parture but if this is what I have to do to "prove I am Christian"
I don't think forcing people to deny agreeing with the Bible in order not to make a mistake
and punishing forgiveness is very Christian at all.

Whatever joke this is, I think it is sad.

theres your problem.... he/she is a nut case. STAY away from Parture.

 

[ninja007]

emily- I'm serious. I got him/her on ignore for a reason; posting false doctrine.

 

[ninja007]

Promoting other message boards by PM is a instant permanent ban offense. I wouldn't recommend it.

- doc

 

[Politico]

You don't believe in God now because of an internets site? Wow.

 

[emilynghiem]

emily- I'm serious. I got him/her on ignore for a reason; posting false doctrine.

Hi ninja007 what threads was that on, what is your denomination,
can you send or post me anything helpful to understand the history here.

Can you help us on the threads where Parture is improperly rebuking TY MaxGrit and me.

If we cannot help poor Parture at least we can establish agreement on other points
and benefit from the discussion there.

Thank you very much
I am a spiritual empath and tend to mimic and take on the thoughts and feelings
of people in distress around me, in order to understand the conflicts and resolve them.

I was beginning to get sucked in too deep into some truly negative conflicts
so thank you for explaining there is a history of this and it was not just me feeling the craziness.

I have to be more careful, I am way too sensitive to be around that without adequate warning.

 

[emilynghiem]

You don't believe in God now because of an internets site? Wow.

No, I was beginning to lose faith that Christians can ever get their act together
if this is how they treat one another.

Similar to how I want to give up on Democrats for how they justify imposing their beliefs
on others then claiming separation of church and state and prochoice freedom from govt.

It gets to the point that the cult mentality outweighs the ability to check the group.

I was already getting to the point of giving up on the Democrats.
When this hit and caught me by surprise. Kinda shocking
to have this double whammy back to back within the same time period. Whoa!

So my faith is the same, but since I was told I cannot be Christian
then I was left thinking I must be some other religion or denomination
if this isn't counted as Christian and isn't the same as what any other group teaches either.

Don't fit in with the Democrats and don't fit in with the Christians.
And that was who I was working with all this time, thinking we could
resolve differences, but now I am getting such CLEAR rejection of my
solutions for reconciliation that I am seeing I don't fit in after all.

 

[cnm]

No worries, chances are good you'll manage to fit in with yourself.

 

[emilynghiem]

No worries, chances are good you'll manage to fit in with yourself.

I think I should have fired myself a long time ago.
Whatever it is I'm supposed to be doing, I'm not doing a very good job!

 

[Bfgrn]

Dear USMB members:

Much to my dismay I found a wonderful website
that Parture referred, and was very hopeful this was
a good way to help establish consensus on God and eradicate errors.

However, because I used terms incorrectly I got banned from that site,
accused of not being Christian and doubletalk in answering the questions wrong.

So I had to go back and deny all my faith in the Bible
and change all the answers to "not sure" in order to make sure I didn't make a mistake again
in answering those questions.

What kind of website would punish people for answering as honestly
as possible even though I may have made a mistake in explaining my views?

What kind of website would accuse people of guilty until proven innocent?

This is really sad because there is a section there on sharing about the Trinity
which I believe is the key in uniting all people in understanding
and now I cannot even post there because I have been falsely accused
of not being a believer.

Parture if you are reading this, this SADDENS me and makes
me want to renounce my faith if this is how Christians treat each other.
If I am not free to share honestly how and why I believe the Holy Trinity
is Universal but am accused for teaching this, then I ask you to prove
me a false prophet, put me on public trial, and let me be put to death
if I am speaking falsely. I have had enough of this weird behavior.

I even was honest about mentioning what websites referred
me here, and got an infraction for naming those sites that included advertising.

That site is a wonderful site content wise and I am sorry that it excludes people
based on false accusation and suspicion.

If I made mistakes I thought the point of Christianity is to
forgive and correct mistakes instead of judge and condemn people
first and then ask questions later? What kind of rebuke calls for that?

The Christianity I know respects natural laws of due process
as given by God, so this is contradictory with God's natural laws of justice.

If you have any comments please share,
because I am shocked and appalled that fellow Christians
would issue judgment and punishment first, even accusing a
fellow Christian of things I didn't mean the way I was accused
and was honestly trying to answer honestly.

Very strange, but I should not be surprised anymore.

No wonder people cannot stand Christians.

I feel owe an apology to all my atheist friends who warned me
Christians make no sense and contradict themselves
as hateful, judgmental unforgiving and beyond reasonable explanation!

Please tell me this can be corrected.

Otherwise I find it very hard to believe
* that because I teach forgiveness in Christ on a universal scale,
this means I am going to hell as a nonbeliever
* that because I agree with the Bible
and answered yes to those questions
that I am banned, so I had to change all my answers
to "not sure" and deny my faith in order not to make
any more mistakes by putting yes or no. This site
is forcing me to be "unsure" and has penalized
me for saying I agree with the Bible?

Sorry but this makes me not want to be Christian
if I have to fix this mess in order to prove that I am.

Maybe it's not worth the trouble.
Sorry Parture but if this is what I have to do to "prove I am Christian"
I don't think forcing people to deny agreeing with the Bible in order not to make a mistake
and punishing forgiveness is very Christian at all.

Whatever joke this is, I think it is sad.

Maybe you should read this book by Pulitzer Prize author Chris Hedges, son of a Preacher and a man who holds a Master of Divinity from Harvard Divinity School.

THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT AND THE RISE OF AMERICAN FASCISM

 

[emilynghiem]

Dear USMB members:

Much to my dismay I found a wonderful website
that Parture referred, and was very hopeful this was
a good way to help establish consensus on God and eradicate errors.

However, because I used terms incorrectly I got banned from that site,
accused of not being Christian and doubletalk in answering the questions wrong.

So I had to go back and deny all my faith in the Bible
and change all the answers to "not sure" in order to make sure I didn't make a mistake again
in answering those questions.

What kind of website would punish people for answering as honestly
as possible even though I may have made a mistake in explaining my views?

What kind of website would accuse people of guilty until proven innocent?

This is really sad because there is a section there on sharing about the Trinity
which I believe is the key in uniting all people in understanding
and now I cannot even post there because I have been falsely accused
of not being a believer.

Parture if you are reading this, this SADDENS me and makes
me want to renounce my faith if this is how Christians treat each other.
If I am not free to share honestly how and why I believe the Holy Trinity
is Universal but am accused for teaching this, then I ask you to prove
me a false prophet, put me on public trial, and let me be put to death
if I am speaking falsely. I have had enough of this weird behavior.

I even was honest about mentioning what websites referred
me here, and got an infraction for naming those sites that included advertising.

That site is a wonderful site content wise and I am sorry that it excludes people
based on false accusation and suspicion.

If I made mistakes I thought the point of Christianity is to
forgive and correct mistakes instead of judge and condemn people
first and then ask questions later? What kind of rebuke calls for that?

The Christianity I know respects natural laws of due process
as given by God, so this is contradictory with God's natural laws of justice.

If you have any comments please share,
because I am shocked and appalled that fellow Christians
would issue judgment and punishment first, even accusing a
fellow Christian of things I didn't mean the way I was accused
and was honestly trying to answer honestly.

Very strange, but I should not be surprised anymore.

No wonder people cannot stand Christians.

I feel owe an apology to all my atheist friends who warned me
Christians make no sense and contradict themselves
as hateful, judgmental unforgiving and beyond reasonable explanation!

Please tell me this can be corrected.

Otherwise I find it very hard to believe
* that because I teach forgiveness in Christ on a universal scale,
this means I am going to hell as a nonbeliever
* that because I agree with the Bible
and answered yes to those questions
that I am banned, so I had to change all my answers
to "not sure" and deny my faith in order not to make
any more mistakes by putting yes or no. This site
is forcing me to be "unsure" and has penalized
me for saying I agree with the Bible?

Sorry but this makes me not want to be Christian
if I have to fix this mess in order to prove that I am.

Maybe it's not worth the trouble.
Sorry Parture but if this is what I have to do to "prove I am Christian"
I don't think forcing people to deny agreeing with the Bible in order not to make a mistake
and punishing forgiveness is very Christian at all.

Whatever joke this is, I think it is sad.

Maybe you should read this book by Pulitzer Prize author Chris Hedges, son of a Preacher and a man who holds a Master of Divinity from Harvard Divinity School.

THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT AND THE RISE OF AMERICAN FASCISM

Thanks but I think that website may be something else.

I found this on there about Heaven that mixes Hades that Jehovah's Witness reject as unbiblical
with Sheol that Jehovah's Witnesses teach instead. So I've never seen an explanation mix this together:

Three Heavens


Before time God decided His creation will have Three Heavens (2 Cor. 12.2)--a Paradise above (3rd Heaven), realm of fallen spirits if they fell (2nd Heaven), and our universe (1st Heaven). God also created timeless unawares called Hades or Sheol. Hades is not considered Heaven or Hell. The good side of Hades is called Paradise below or Abraham's bosom. Christians will be resurrected together (1 Thess. 4.15-17) from the good side of Hades to come before the Judgment-Seat to receive reward or loss of reward. The bad side of Hades is where the Rich Man went and the unsaved go when they die. They too will be resurrected but separated by 1000 years to the Great White Throne to be judged and cast into Hell.

-----------------

Where I think we got off on the wrong track,
the Bible scriptures cited mention the Devil the Beast and the False Prophet
thrown into the lake of fire. But those are not human souls. So we aren't even talking about the same thing
I don't think.

I don't think I can manage on that site without having each message
reviewed in advance by an admin and corrected by email before I post anything.

I would have to check with them each time and clarify we mean the same
thing before asking permission to post it so I don't cause an offense.

Otherwise the same thing will happen over and over by misinterpretations.

I also got an infraction message, for replying too generally and not responding directly.
So I probably cannot reply at all because that is how I normally talk and will keep getting infractions.

 

[emilynghiem]

Encyclopedia of American Loons 36 Troy Brooks

Dear ninja007
I looked through the website and searched for the founder, found it tied to Troy Brooks.
another site complained of Troy Brooks as an annoying critic who
misrepresented and attacked Calvinist views
in unfounded ways. Is this the same nonsense that has been posted here?

 

[Impenitent]

Up all night?

 

[emilynghiem]

Up all night?

Yeah, I was sick and slept all day and now I can't sleep at night.
I was freaked out after losing faith that political beliefs can be explained to people.
And was worried about pursuing a lawsuit, referendum, act or amendment on
political beliefs to OUT this issue, where I don't feel like the girl pointing out the Emperor is naked
while everyone is in denial saying he is clothed just fine and proper.

then this weird thing hit where I thought I was the one going crazy.
But ninja007 and others explained this guy has a history
and I looked it up. I think, as an empath, I was channeling
the feeling of crazy and not fitting in because that's what he feels.

So I was picking up his feelings and they were very foreign to me
and made me freak out. I really wish I had more of a warning before
I go into empath mode and start picking up and mimicking the thoughts
and feelings of people around me in distress. This caught me off guard.

I should be glad it isn't just me, but now I feel very sorry for Parture.
I still want to help, and don't know if I can speak his language to fellowship with him or not.
It is a very specific denomination, and it would take practice to speak his language.
Unfortunately he doesn't practice forgiveness so the learning curve would be painful.
I don't know if I can take that burden on to help this poor fellow out of his narrowed mindset.

I will try to find a way to connect and help that is free and not so conditioned as that website is.
I think it is his and he has multiple user names and accounts.

I will try to include him even though he has a huge thornbush of conditions
to meet before he believes someone isn't going to hell as a rejector of Christ.

I saw him make some very good points, but the sea of conditions
and barriers to jump through to be allowed inside his circle are just baffling.

Oh well, it makes writing up a statement on Political Beliefs
easy in comparison with trying to navigate through all those hoops.

I thought he really had something going, and was very impressed.

Maybe he has split personalities and one is a theological genius
and then there is a beast pitbull guarding the gate that won't let anyone pass
unless you are forgiving enough to get past the barking and unprovoked attacks.

I will try to befriend him and maybe we can connect on one
area we actually agree pursuing. But I don't know if he can
trust or forgive enough, we'll see. That barrier personality may not care enough
to let me past the gate.

 

[Impenitent]

Sounds like its way over my head,
But I think you've covered all the bases.

 

[Derideo_Te]

No worries, chances are good you'll manage to fit in with yourself.

I think I should have fired myself a long time ago.
Whatever it is I'm supposed to be doing, I'm not doing a very good job!

Emily,

Yes, some so-called "Christians" give Christianity a bad name and you just encountered some of the worst by the sounds of this thread.

My advice to you is to walk away and don't look back. They aren't worth you losing one minute of sleep over and most certainly aren't worth the time and effort you are giving them in here.

In essence they are the poorer for losing you rather than the other way around.

No one else gets to define what you believe but you. That is your right under the 1st Amendment. They can't take that away from you unless you let them. Do what is right for yourself and not this bizarre little cult.

Take care
DT

 

[ninja007]

Encyclopedia of American Loons 36 Troy Brooks

Dear ninja007
I looked through the website and searched for the founder, found it tied to Troy Brooks.
another site complained of Troy Brooks as an annoying critic who
misrepresented and attacked Calvinist views
in unfounded ways. Is this the same nonsense that has been posted here?

Troy Brooks is a wack job. He teaches a partail rapture (no such thing). He is anti-Calvanist and he predicted Jesus' return in 2002, clearly unscriptural.

Here is a link, lol. STAY FAR AWAY Emily. I'll PM you some good SOLID Pretrib Christian Sites.


The Return of Jesus Christ August 7 2022

 

[ninja007]

emily- I'm serious. I got him/her on ignore for a reason; posting false doctrine.

Hi ninja007 what threads was that on, what is your denomination,
can you send or post me anything helpful to understand the history here.

Can you help us on the threads where Parture is improperly rebuking TY MaxGrit and me.

If we cannot help poor Parture at least we can establish agreement on other points
and benefit from the discussion there.

Thank you very much
I am a spiritual empath and tend to mimic and take on the thoughts and feelings
of people in distress around me, in order to understand the conflicts and resolve them.

I was beginning to get sucked in too deep into some truly negative conflicts
so thank you for explaining there is a history of this and it was not just me feeling the craziness.

I have to be more careful, I am way too sensitive to be around that without adequate warning.

I'm a bible believing Jesus follower (although I fail often!). I am Protestant and believe in OSAS (eternal security of the Believer)> I believe in the Pre Trib Rapture also.