For those upset with the SC sending abortion back to the states to decide, let's look at abortion laws in Europe.

  • Understanding the factors driving the decline in the abortion rate has important policy implications. However, attempts to reduce abortion through coercive restrictions are a direct violation of individuals’ dignity, bodily autonomy and reproductive freedom.
Between 2011 and 2017, the U.S. abortion landscape changed significantly. As documented by the Guttmacher Institute’s periodic abortion provider census, all the main measures of abortion declined, including the number of abortions, the abortion rate and the abortion ratio.1,2 The declines are part of trends that go back decades.
  • The number of abortions fell by 196,000—a 19% decline from 1,058,000 abortions in 2011 to 862,000 abortions in 2017.1,2
  • The abortion rate (the number of abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44) fell by 20%, from 16.9 in 2011 to 13.5 in 2017.
  • The abortion ratio (the number of abortions per 100 pregnancies ending in either abortion or live birth) fell 13%, from 21.2 in 2011 to 18.4 in 2017.
 
However, declines in abortion do not serve patients if the reason behind the decline is interference with individuals’ decision making about their reproductive options.

Reducing abortion by shuttering clinics and erecting logistical barriers for patients is in direct conflict with sound public health policy, and the debate should not be framed based on the false premise that any reduction in abortion is a good outcome.

Rather, it is critical to remember that timely and affordable access to abortion should be available to anyone who wants and needs it.

And it is equally important to recognize that obstructing or denying care in the name of reducing abortion is a violation of individuals’ dignity, bodily autonomy and reproductive freedom.

With the available evidence, it is impossible to pinpoint exactly which factors drove recent declines, and to what degree.

However, previous Guttmacher analyses have documented that abortion restrictions, while incredibly harmful at an individual level, were not the main driver of national declines in the abortion rate in the 2008–20115 or 2011–20146 time periods.

Much the same appears to hold true for the 2011–2017 timeframe, as detailed below. Rather, the decline in abortions appears to be part of a broader decline in pregnancies, as evidenced by fewer births over the same period.

 
Sex education and birth control are likely primary drivers in assisting to prevent abortion. However the radicals are against this approach as well. Prevention should be the priority no matter how.

Orgasm is said to boost ones immune system thus a positive and important note must be made.
 
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They range from a few at 10 weeks to the UK and others at 24 weeks ON DEMAND

nearly all have exceptions

What’s the law in Texas?

6 weeks no exceptions?
Alabama: 6 weeks
Arkansas: 6 weeks

Arizona: 15 weeks
Georgia: 6 weeks
Idaho: 6 weeks
Kentucky: 6 weeks
Louisiana: 6 weeks
Mississippi: 6 weeks
Missouri: 6 weeks
North Dakota: 6 weeks
Ohio: 6 weeks
Oklahoma: 6 weeks
South Carolina: 6 weeks
South Dakota: 6 weeks
Tennessee: 6 weeks
Texas: 6 weeks
 
They range from a few at 10 weeks to the UK and others at 24 weeks ON DEMAND

nearly all have exceptions

What’s the law in Texas?

6 weeks no exceptions?
They range from total ban to 24, most are 10 to 12. It is a states issue and we need to keep it there. We need to let state more decisions like this, like setting their marijuana laws.
 
Alabama: 6 weeks
Arkansas: 6 weeks

Arizona: 15 weeks
Georgia: 6 weeks
Idaho: 6 weeks
Kentucky: 6 weeks
Louisiana: 6 weeks
Mississippi: 6 weeks
Missouri: 6 weeks
North Dakota: 6 weeks
Ohio: 6 weeks
Oklahoma: 6 weeks
South Carolina: 6 weeks
South Dakota: 6 weeks
Tennessee: 6 weeks
Texas: 6 weeks
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Many on the left claim we are now out of the mainstream with "First world countries" regarding abortion.

I maintain not a single person on the left would like any of these abortion laws in Europe to be the law of the land in the US.


Abortion rules per country[edit]​

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This list is incomplete; you can help by adding missing items. (July 2022)
Almost all European countries offer a time limit in which a pregnant woman can choose to have an abortion on request, without a medical indication. After that time, an abortion cannot be performed anymore on request, and a doctor must confirm a medical necessity.


CountryTime limit for abortion on requestExceptions and remarks
Austriathree months (= 13 weeks)Later abortions possible in cases of: serious danger for the psychological or physical health of the pregnant woman; probable serious mental or physical disability of the child; the woman got pregnant before the age of 14[19]
Belgium12 Weeks
Bulgaria12 Weeks
Croatia10 Weeks
Cyprus12 Weeks
Czech Republic12 Weeks
Denmark12 Weeks
Estonia11 Weeks
Finland12 Weeks
France14 WeeksInterruption volontaire de grossesse (IVG) has a 14-week limit. The interruption médicale de grossesse(IMG), for medical reasons, is unlimited.
No minimum age in order to request a voluntary abortion (IVG). A pregnant minor needs the consent of her parents (or her legal representative), or she can keep her abortion secret, in which case she needs to be accompanied by an adult person of her choice.[20]
After 14 weeks, an IMG can be carried out for: The continued pregnancy poses a serious danger to the woman; or there is a large probability that the child would be born with serious, incurable disease.[21]
Germany12 WeeksAbortion is legal only if the pregnant woman has been advised by a doctor at least three days before performing the abortion (Bedenkzeit, time for consideration).
A later, medically indicated abortion is possible in cases of: life of the woman is in danger; the physical or psychological health of the pregnant woman could be seriously endangered by not aborting the pregnancy. In such a case, the otherwise mandatory counseling by a doctor is voluntary.[22]
Abortions on request during the first 12 weeks were enacted by East Germany in 1972. West Germany followed suit in 1974, but the Federal Constitutional Court ruled the law unconstitutional because it infringed the right to life of the unborn. A new law in 1976 allowed abortions only when the woman was physically or psychologically in danger; if the child would be born with a severe disability; if carrying out the pregnancy would cause severe social problems for the woman (e.g. poverty) or if the pregnancy was the result of sexual violence. There were no abortions on request. Today's rules, granting the right to non-medical abortions on request, were enacted in 1993.
Greece12 Weeks
Hungary12 Weeks
Ireland12 Weeks
Italy12 Weeks
Latvia12 Weeks
Liechtenstein
Dark Red x.svg
Total ban
Exceptions: if the woman is a victim of sexual violence; if she had been underage during intercourse; if the life of the woman is in serious danger; if carrying out the pregnancy would seriously damage the woman's health[23]
In earlier times (pre-2010), the penal law criminalized abortions abroad if the woman had her residence in Liechtenstein, and the abortion did not follow Liechtenstein's regulations.[24]
Lithuania12 Weeks
Luxembourg12 Weeks
Malta
Dark Red x.svg
Total ban
Doctors are required to attempt to save both the unborn child and the mother in the event of health complications.
Netherlands24 Weeks
Norway12 Weeks18 Weeks by abortion council, 22 weeks if compelling reasons, later if grave risk
Poland
Dark Red x.svg
Total ban
Exceptions: Cases of rape, incest, or when the health of the mother would be in danger
Portugal10 Weeks
Romania14 Weeks
Slovakia12 Weeks
Slovenia10 Weeks
Spain14 Weeks
Sweden18 Weeks
Switzerland12 WeeksAbortions after 12 weeks possible if a doctor confirms that the abortion prevents any kind of serious harm, physical or psychological. An underage woman does not need to inform anybody of her abortion, and does not need to receive consent from her parents or any other person.[25]
United Kingdom24 Weeks


Wikipedia is not a source. I posted a valid source anybody can go into Wikipedia and type in anything they want.
 
They range from total ban to 24, most are 10 to 12. It is a states issue and we need to keep it there. We need to let state more decisions like this, like setting their marijuana laws.

Every European nation has exceptions after the “upon request” period expires, for the health and life of mother or the fetus. There are no absolute bans after the on request period expires.

Scroll down to Time Limits. Women aren’t bleeding out in hospitals in Europe because they can’t get care.

 
Every European nation has exceptions after the “upon request” period expires, for the health and life of mother or the fetus. There are no absolute bans after the on request period expires.

Scroll down to Time Limits. Women aren’t bleeding out in hospitals in Europe because they can’t get care.

I am nt planning on moving to Europe and I don't plan on my wife or I, having any children here or in Europe. Thanks for your concern, I appreciate it.
 
Many on the left claim we are now out of the mainstream with "First world countries" regarding abortion.

I maintain not a single person on the left would like any of these abortion laws in Europe to be the law of the land in the US.


Abortion rules per country[edit]​

20px-Information_icon4.svg.png
This list is incomplete; you can help by adding missing items. (July 2022)
Almost all European countries offer a time limit in which a pregnant woman can choose to have an abortion on request, without a medical indication. After that time, an abortion cannot be performed anymore on request, and a doctor must confirm a medical necessity.


CountryTime limit for abortion on requestExceptions and remarks
Austriathree months (= 13 weeks)Later abortions possible in cases of: serious danger for the psychological or physical health of the pregnant woman; probable serious mental or physical disability of the child; the woman got pregnant before the age of 14[19]
Belgium12 Weeks
Bulgaria12 Weeks
Croatia10 Weeks
Cyprus12 Weeks
Czech Republic12 Weeks
Denmark12 Weeks
Estonia11 Weeks
Finland12 Weeks
France14 WeeksInterruption volontaire de grossesse (IVG) has a 14-week limit. The interruption médicale de grossesse(IMG), for medical reasons, is unlimited.
No minimum age in order to request a voluntary abortion (IVG). A pregnant minor needs the consent of her parents (or her legal representative), or she can keep her abortion secret, in which case she needs to be accompanied by an adult person of her choice.[20]
After 14 weeks, an IMG can be carried out for: The continued pregnancy poses a serious danger to the woman; or there is a large probability that the child would be born with serious, incurable disease.[21]
Germany12 WeeksAbortion is legal only if the pregnant woman has been advised by a doctor at least three days before performing the abortion (Bedenkzeit, time for consideration).
A later, medically indicated abortion is possible in cases of: life of the woman is in danger; the physical or psychological health of the pregnant woman could be seriously endangered by not aborting the pregnancy. In such a case, the otherwise mandatory counseling by a doctor is voluntary.[22]
Abortions on request during the first 12 weeks were enacted by East Germany in 1972. West Germany followed suit in 1974, but the Federal Constitutional Court ruled the law unconstitutional because it infringed the right to life of the unborn. A new law in 1976 allowed abortions only when the woman was physically or psychologically in danger; if the child would be born with a severe disability; if carrying out the pregnancy would cause severe social problems for the woman (e.g. poverty) or if the pregnancy was the result of sexual violence. There were no abortions on request. Today's rules, granting the right to non-medical abortions on request, were enacted in 1993.
Greece12 Weeks
Hungary12 Weeks
Ireland12 Weeks
Italy12 Weeks
Latvia12 Weeks
Liechtenstein
Dark Red x.svg
Total ban
Exceptions: if the woman is a victim of sexual violence; if she had been underage during intercourse; if the life of the woman is in serious danger; if carrying out the pregnancy would seriously damage the woman's health[23]
In earlier times (pre-2010), the penal law criminalized abortions abroad if the woman had her residence in Liechtenstein, and the abortion did not follow Liechtenstein's regulations.[24]
Lithuania12 Weeks
Luxembourg12 Weeks
Malta
Dark Red x.svg
Total ban
Doctors are required to attempt to save both the unborn child and the mother in the event of health complications.
Netherlands24 Weeks
Norway12 Weeks18 Weeks by abortion council, 22 weeks if compelling reasons, later if grave risk
Poland
Dark Red x.svg
Total ban
Exceptions: Cases of rape, incest, or when the health of the mother would be in danger
Portugal10 Weeks
Romania14 Weeks
Slovakia12 Weeks
Slovenia10 Weeks
Spain14 Weeks
Sweden18 Weeks
Switzerland12 WeeksAbortions after 12 weeks possible if a doctor confirms that the abortion prevents any kind of serious harm, physical or psychological. An underage woman does not need to inform anybody of her abortion, and does not need to receive consent from her parents or any other person.[25]
United Kingdom24 Weeks

Mary Ann Glendon’s comparative law study, Abortion and Divorce in Western Law and her subsequent book, Rights Talk: The Impoverishment of Political Discourse. Glendon’s comparative study actually included a third topic: “forms of dependency which are connected with pregnancy, marriage, and child raising.” The topic of dependency has obvious relevance to consideration of intergenerational obligations and the interplay between family responsibility and societal responsibility for addressing dependency needs.
 
Many on the left claim we are now out of the mainstream with "First world countries" regarding abortion.

I maintain not a single person on the left would like any of these abortion laws in Europe to be the law of the land in the US.


Abortion rules per country[edit]​

20px-Information_icon4.svg.png
This list is incomplete; you can help by adding missing items. (July 2022)
Almost all European countries offer a time limit in which a pregnant woman can choose to have an abortion on request, without a medical indication. After that time, an abortion cannot be performed anymore on request, and a doctor must confirm a medical necessity.


CountryTime limit for abortion on requestExceptions and remarks
Austriathree months (= 13 weeks)Later abortions possible in cases of: serious danger for the psychological or physical health of the pregnant woman; probable serious mental or physical disability of the child; the woman got pregnant before the age of 14[19]
Belgium12 Weeks
Bulgaria12 Weeks
Croatia10 Weeks
Cyprus12 Weeks
Czech Republic12 Weeks
Denmark12 Weeks
Estonia11 Weeks
Finland12 Weeks
France14 WeeksInterruption volontaire de grossesse (IVG) has a 14-week limit. The interruption médicale de grossesse(IMG), for medical reasons, is unlimited.
No minimum age in order to request a voluntary abortion (IVG). A pregnant minor needs the consent of her parents (or her legal representative), or she can keep her abortion secret, in which case she needs to be accompanied by an adult person of her choice.[20]
After 14 weeks, an IMG can be carried out for: The continued pregnancy poses a serious danger to the woman; or there is a large probability that the child would be born with serious, incurable disease.[21]
Germany12 WeeksAbortion is legal only if the pregnant woman has been advised by a doctor at least three days before performing the abortion (Bedenkzeit, time for consideration).
A later, medically indicated abortion is possible in cases of: life of the woman is in danger; the physical or psychological health of the pregnant woman could be seriously endangered by not aborting the pregnancy. In such a case, the otherwise mandatory counseling by a doctor is voluntary.[22]
Abortions on request during the first 12 weeks were enacted by East Germany in 1972. West Germany followed suit in 1974, but the Federal Constitutional Court ruled the law unconstitutional because it infringed the right to life of the unborn. A new law in 1976 allowed abortions only when the woman was physically or psychologically in danger; if the child would be born with a severe disability; if carrying out the pregnancy would cause severe social problems for the woman (e.g. poverty) or if the pregnancy was the result of sexual violence. There were no abortions on request. Today's rules, granting the right to non-medical abortions on request, were enacted in 1993.
Greece12 Weeks
Hungary12 Weeks
Ireland12 Weeks
Italy12 Weeks
Latvia12 Weeks
Liechtenstein
Dark Red x.svg
Total ban
Exceptions: if the woman is a victim of sexual violence; if she had been underage during intercourse; if the life of the woman is in serious danger; if carrying out the pregnancy would seriously damage the woman's health[23]
In earlier times (pre-2010), the penal law criminalized abortions abroad if the woman had her residence in Liechtenstein, and the abortion did not follow Liechtenstein's regulations.[24]
Lithuania12 Weeks
Luxembourg12 Weeks
Malta
Dark Red x.svg
Total ban
Doctors are required to attempt to save both the unborn child and the mother in the event of health complications.
Netherlands24 Weeks
Norway12 Weeks18 Weeks by abortion council, 22 weeks if compelling reasons, later if grave risk
Poland
Dark Red x.svg
Total ban
Exceptions: Cases of rape, incest, or when the health of the mother would be in danger
Portugal10 Weeks
Romania14 Weeks
Slovakia12 Weeks
Slovenia10 Weeks
Spain14 Weeks
Sweden18 Weeks
Switzerland12 WeeksAbortions after 12 weeks possible if a doctor confirms that the abortion prevents any kind of serious harm, physical or psychological. An underage woman does not need to inform anybody of her abortion, and does not need to receive consent from her parents or any other person.[25]
United Kingdom24 Weeks

What school did you attend that forgot to tell you the difference between a "country" and a "state?"

Whatever it was the results are as expected.
 
Actually yes, if you real the law. Now abortions are legal there in the third trimester. And all that is needed is one doctor to say the "health" of the woman is at risk, not life. And health is not defined.

Your side wouldn't budge, since you had Roe at your back. Compromise could have been reached, but your side didn't want it because you had Roe.

Stupid response. Women don't abort a healthy fetus in the 3rd trimester. It just doesn't happen.
 
Stupid response. Women don't abort a healthy fetus in the 3rd trimester. It just doesn't happen.


Suppose they decide they don't want to have children? Then they do. And maybe the 3rd trimester was the first appointment with the abortionist they could make because of their busy schedule? Or they changed their mind about becoming a mother.

BTW, your post is strictly Transphobic. Any lib knows that men, specifically transmen, can bear children too. Bearing children isn't limited to females in 2024.
 
Suppose they decide they don't want to have children? Then they do. And maybe the 3rd trimester was the first appointment with the abortionist they could make because of their busy schedule? Or they changed their mind about becoming a mother.

BTW, your post is strictly Transphobic. Any lib knows that men, specifically transmen, can bear children too. Bearing children isn't limited to females in 2024.
Suppose you’re just throwing shit against the wall hoping something wil stick
 
Why do Dems FEAR letting the states decide?

Because the states are using gerrymandered Republican super majorities to ban ALL abortions. That includes health care for the complications of pregnancy.
Laws are being made which deny women life saving health care, by MEN with no medical training or experience, with no exceptions for rape, incest or health of the mother. These men are not qualified to determine health care needs of pregnant women.

The death rate from the complications of pregnancy in the USA is now 30 deaths for every 100,000 live births. And going up every time a state bans abortion. 80% of the women who are dying from being pregnant in the USA, could be saved with timely health care, including terminating the pregnancy BEFORE the woman's life is endangered.


The rest of the first world has a maternal death rate lower than 10. In Canada, where there are often great distances to hospitals, the rate is 7 deaths per 100,000 live births.
 
Suppose they decide they don't want to have children? Then they do. And maybe the 3rd trimester was the first appointment with the abortionist they could make because of their busy schedule? Or they changed their mind about becoming a mother.

BTW, your post is strictly Transphobic. Any lib knows that men, specifically transmen, can bear children too. Bearing children isn't limited to females in 2024.

This scenario is ridiculous and doesn't happen. Try again.
 

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