Flexible and cheap

[Old Rocks]

This technology solves many problems with portability of solar.

 

[ding]

Widespread use of solar is the best way to usher in the next glacial cycle. Just have a think.

 

[Donald H]

This sounds very encouraging. Kudos to the British for having the will to find solutions.

But along with that will come the negativity that's being created by the Trump clowns who usually just put down green energy developments for the sake of, well, just putting them down.
Or do they visualize a challenge to the 'god' nonsense? We'll learn soon enough.

 

[ding]

This sounds very encouraging. Kudos to the British for having the will to find solutions.

But along with that will come the negativity that's being created by the Trump clowns who usually just put down green energy developments for the sake of, well, just putting them down.
Or do they visualize a challenge to the 'god' nonsense? We'll learn soon enough.

Nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with normalization of deviance.

 

[Donald H]

Nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with normalization of deviance.

America will fall further behind on green solutions because of attitudes that are being promoted by Trump. So here's the challenge to prove it:

The Trumpers will demonstrate their negativity to all green solutions and this won't be an exception.

However, predicting that from them introduces a Catch-22 for them in being damned if they do and damned if they don't.

And relatively safe if they can ignore!

 

[ding]

America will fall further behind on green solutions because of attitudes that are being promoted by Trump. So here's the challenge to prove it:

The Trumpers will demonstrate their negativity to all green solutions and this won't be an exception.

However, predicting that from them introduces a Catch-22 for them in being damned if they do and damned if they don't.

And relatively safe if they can ignore!

Apple is a fast follower and it works for them. Forcing solutions that won't work to solve problems we don't have is not a good recipe for success.

Personally, I can't wait for the predictable surprises that are certain to follow.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

 

[toobfreak]

Flexible and cheap​

Sounds like my first date in the 8th grade.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Kudos to the British for having the will to find solutions

Why do solutions not come from the Congo?

 

[flacaltenn]

America will fall further behind on green solutions because of attitudes that are being promoted by Trump. So here's the challenge to prove it:

The Trumpers will demonstrate their negativity to all green solutions and this won't be an exception.

However, predicting that from them introduces a Catch-22 for them in being damned if they do and damned if they don't.

And relatively safe if they can ignore!

If I point out that solar does not get generated more than 8 hours a day -- Am i being "a negative" or "Trump"??

Not very good look to immediately discuss a national energy policy by forking up political patter -- is it?

Here's a question for Ya.. If solar only produces 8hr a day, how much MORE SOLAR POWER do you need installed to CHARGE STORAGE for the other 16 hours of the day? A 6th grader could figure this out..

Assume the grid demand is basically flat. Not a bad assumption for a large part of the year.

TOMORROW -- we'll discuss what happens when the FUCKING CLOUDS ROLL IN for 4 days in a row or your panels are covered in snow/ice.

Is that negative enough for a TDS victim to address?

 

[flacaltenn]

This technology solves many problems with portability of solar.

This stuff is of LIMITED use for primarily REMOTE operations. Not even "home" worthy.. Because the surfaces STILL need to be orientated to the perpendicular of the max sun position in the sky.

AND they dont have the acceptance angle that a full silicon panel does and the lifetime and efficiencies are about half.. Their MAJOR market here IS PROBABLY the UN Refugee camps that the guy showed in his video.. LOL

 

[Donald H]

If I point out that solar does not get generated more than 8 hours a day -- Am i being "a negative" or "Trump"??

No, but you're not making a valid point either. There are ways of storing energy and the sun never sets on the British empire. Or for that matter, on the American empire either.

Not very good look to immediately discuss a national energy policy by forking up political patter -- is it?

I don't understand what you're trying to say.

Here's a question for Ya.. If solar only produces 8hr a day, how much MORE SOLAR POWER do you need installed to CHARGE STORAGE for the other 16 hours of the day? A 6th grader could figure this out..

No, it's not that simple that a 6th. grader could calculate that. There are many factors to be taken into consideration and more information is also required.

Assume the grid demand is basically flat. Not a bad assumption for a large part of the year.

Not in my educated opinion.

TOMORROW -- we'll discuss what happens when the FUCKING CLOUDS ROLL IN for 4 days in a row or your panels are covered in snow/ice.

Sure! Let's talk about the fucking clouds. But of course the clouds are another variable too.

Is that negative enough for a TDS victim to address?

TDS?

 

[flacaltenn]

No, but you're not making a valid point either. There are ways of storing energy and the sun never sets on the British empire. Or for that matter, on the American empire either.

Please.. You're making me lose whatever faith I had in American education. HOW FAR do you think massive amounts of electricity can travel on a wire without MONUMENTAL LOSSES. -- And HOWTFuck does it get from England to Minnesota?

Storage in LITHIUM and cobalt batteries per MWhr is GONNA cost more than 8 TIMES the cost of solar MWhr WELL INTO the end of this Century.. Having TWICE as much battery storage as you have solar generation would increase the INSTALLED price of solar to well OVER the cost of ANYTHING we have now..

AND -- It a fucking environmental appocalyse because of the toxic waste tonnage that you MENTAL MIDGETS want to create.

I don't understand what you're trying to say.

Not surprised given your previous embarrassing statements. Political patter. That's what you wrote.. How "some people" are just not "right thinking" solar and "alternative energy" -- while you RAG on Trump as the reason why -- after 6 decades of EXTENSIVE research and at least 3 decades spending MASSIVE AMOUNT of $$ to SUBSIDIZE deployment of solar -- that it STILL only supplies nationwide about 3 or 5% of our electrical generation. All you DO is ignore the science and economics and engineering of solar and "patter politics".

No, it's not that simple that a 6th. grader could calculate that. There are many factors to be taken into consideration and more information is also required.

The problem IS THAT SIMPLE moron. Solar energy ONLY PRODUCES 8 hrs a day AT BEST.. There are 24 hours in a day. 24-8 = 16. 16 is TWICE AS MUCH as 8. So you need to generate 2 times as much solar as you generated in the daytime to store for the night.. 6th grade math.. How OLD are you???

So -- lets say you 100MWhrs of solar to run Bumshlitz, Indiana during 8 hours that sun is shining. You then need to build TWO MORE of those solar plants and a MASSIVE battery storage plant that probably occupies 2/3 of the total LAND in Bumshlitz.. And you've depleted probably 1/2 of medium sized LITHIUM mine to DO THAT.. Are you an environmentalist? You like digging up toxic chemicals by the MEGATON to make your solar fantasies WORK??

Not in my educated opinion.

Of course not, Your "opinion" on this has YET to be educated.

Sure! Let's talk about the fucking clouds. But of course the clouds are another variable too.

You've got about the same level of awareness on alternative energy as AOC or your typical politician.. You design an energy supply system for electricity with margins so that under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES -- they are resilient to failure. If you can't address the UNRELIABILITY OF SOLAR and WIND -- you shouldn't be so opinionated about it and BLAMING a stupid politician for WHY this solar design fiasco hasn't ALREADY HAPPENED..

The clouds come in for 4 days in the winter time or peak summer AND PEOPLE FUCKING START DYING.. Get a clue.

TDS = Trump Derangement Syndrome .. If THAT'S all you know about solar is that "its trump's fault" -- PLEASE keep it to yourself.. Because it makes you look more stupid..

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Solar is best suited for INDIVIDUAL energy independence. On my roof or in my backyard, it's a great asset if you want to go off grid or just supplement your energy needs.

I, personally, really don't need 5hat much electricity. Solar could be a great option for me

 

[toobfreak]

And you've depleted probably 1/2 of medium sized LITHIUM mine to DO THAT.. Are you an environmentalist? You like digging up toxic chemicals by the MEGATON to make your solar fantasies WORK??

One small fact all of the green power people seem to overlook is that while Lithium is abundant in Earth's crust, Lithium is a very weak, toxic, and reactive metal that does not occur in nature in a natural, pure state. Massive amounts of material must be dug up and processed to extract out the desired Lithium, so we are talking about strip mining and processing on a scale we have not ever seen before, all with a significant environmental impact both on the surface and dust in the air made all the worse because even Lithium depletion of soil and sea will gradually damage the environment itself because it serves a subtle yet important function in nature chemistry, not to mention, of course, that China just happens to also be a huge source of Lithium! And you can be sure the Chinese are not going to spend one extra yuan worrying about pollution there.

For the most part, all we are doing with much of the supposed green energy now is trading one form of pollution and environmental damage for the other, except that, like fossil fuel, it may take several generations to begin to be forcibly confronted with it. Just imagine the waste from megatons of old, used and spent recycled solar panels and lithium-ion batteries!

IMO, a far more intelligent strategy would be to develop and use wind and solar for what they are best for as an adjunct to conventional energy sources while continuing to research and develop cleaner fossil energy too until a true green energy source can be developed and made practical, such as the hydrogen fuel cell and nuclear fusion. But physics teaches us that as far as our science is presently concerned, there are no free lunches--- there is no cheap, easy energy source we can use that doesn't come with one large impact or another of some kind on our environment.

 

[flacaltenn]

One small fact all of the green power people seem to overlook is that while Lithium is abundant in Earth's crust, Lithium is a very weak, toxic, and reactive metal that does not occur in nature in a natural, pure state. Massive amounts of material must be dug up and processed to extract out the desired Lithium, so we are talking about strip mining and processing on a scale we have not ever seen before, all with a significant environmental impact both on the surface and dust in the air made all the worse because even Lithium depletion of soil and sea will gradually damage the environment itself because it serves a subtle yet important function in nature chemistry, not to mention, of course, that China just happens to also be a huge source of Lithium! And you can be sure the Chinese are not going to spend one extra yuan worrying about pollution there.

For the most part, all we are doing with much of the supposed green energy now is trading one form of pollution and environmental damage for the other, except that, like fossil fuel, it may take several generations to begin to be forcibly confronted with it. Just imagine the waste from megatons of old, used and spent recycled solar panels and lithium-ion batteries!

IMO, a far more intelligent strategy would be to develop and use wind and solar for what they are best for as an adjunct to conventional energy sources while continuing to research and develop cleaner fossil energy too until a true green energy source can be developed and made practical, such as the hydrogen fuel cell and nuclear fusion. But physics teaches us that as far as our science is presently concerned, there are no free lunches--- there is no cheap, easy energy source we can use that doesn't come with one large impact or another of some kind on our environment.

So WHY are these people even bothering to spend time whining that their "visions" are being held up by the uneducated and the meanies? When they are arent investing any energy ANALYZING what they read?

The democratizing of speech on the internet is creating fanatical ignorance. There are no "science channels" unless you subscribe to them.. And people can get propagandized easier than ever.

I dont WANT to be cruel.. But DAMN -- sometimes I feel so hopeless about the future that I have to vent..

 

[toobfreak]

So WHY are these people even bothering to spend time whining that their "visions" are being held up by the uneducated and the meanies?

I have usually found that those who scream loudest at the "uneducated" are themselves often usually the biggest fools.

When they are arent investing any energy ANALYZING what they read?

Analysis? That is a LOGICAL process. People are not educated anymore, they are indoctrinated, told WHAT to think, then sent forth into the world with keys wound tight to carry out a preordained political agenda. And the agenda now is oil bad - electric good.

Our own leaders are bought and owned now by powerful corporate interests and the oil people like the tobacco people are now out of favor. We are now going to be overrun with massive green energy investment and batteries until you are hip deep in them regardless of the real impact or utility, people will get mega rich off the stuff, not you, it is going to COST you a LOT of money, the consumer will be fleeced, and years from now we will wake up one day finding ourselves not only with a new environmental calamity on our hands no one saw coming, but that much of the promises of green energy turned out to be entirely false in actual PRACTICE.

That and an electric car that now that you are stuck buying it with few other choices, if you are late paying your vehicle registration, school taxes, court alimony, or any number of other possible things, the government will come in, look up the unique keycode identifier for your electric car or VIN, and send its computer a command to no longer even turn on leaving you stranded ---- that is, until you've fully satisfied your government. Not to mention a car that every time you speed, it will report you and you'll get a ticket sent in the mail. Believe it.

ITS ALL ABOUT THE CONTROL. Saving the Earth was just the Great Lie created by our social architects to sell you on screwing yourself. Again.

.

 

[flacaltenn]

Our own leaders are bought and owned now by powerful corporate interests and the oil people like the tobacco people are now out of favor. We are now going to be overrun with massive green energy investment and batteries until you are hip deep in them regardless of the real impact or utility,

It's not so much govt/corp collusion, it's that our massive Fed govt is WAAAY over their head in dictating things like a comprehensive energy paradigm change. Like some of our wind and solar fans here -- the "happy talk" approach to SELLING us under mountains of battery waste and ruthless mining worldwide is working.

We WILL be buried under battery waste between all our mobile toys, our EVehicles, MASSIVE WAREHOUSES of grid scale storage experiments, battery back-up for "the cloud" and other data systems -- and NOW -- the MILITARY has to go green..

Can't wait to see the roll-out of our battery operating tanks and HumVees and combat helicopters that will need infrastructure to charge on the battlefield and even then take HOURS to re-fuel.. Chinese are chuckling at all that. THEY precipitated that when the US delegation got chewed out at the recent international meeting on CChange for having a "polluting" military. As USUAL -- in the end -- THAT meeting turned into a beggar's brawl with EVERY ONE of 100 underdeveloped countries competing for the largest share of distributing our country's wealth..

 

[toobfreak]

This technology solves many problems with portability of solar.

Wow. How stupid. Not only is the word "sustainability" just a lot of bull, sunlight may be effectively unlimited but our ability to make thin film durable solar panels to capture it is no more "sustainable" than using fossil fuels, etc., and the environmental impact far from certain, but you even bought into watching a video made by the CEO of the company who most stands to PROFIT from your buying into it as your source of its efficacy!

The ONE THING he said which I agree with is that, yes, the Chinese have a huge lead in (as usual) and investment in making solar a reality.

That said, I do see a great use to making as many things as possible able to tap directly into sunlight to run off of. That is, assuming you don't live in or have a cloudy day.

 

[Old Rocks]

One small fact all of the green power people seem to overlook is that while Lithium is abundant in Earth's crust, Lithium is a very weak, toxic, and reactive metal that does not occur in nature in a natural, pure state. Massive amounts of material must be dug up and processed to extract out the desired Lithium, so we are talking about strip mining and processing on a scale we have not ever seen before, all with a significant environmental impact both on the surface and dust in the air made all the worse because even Lithium depletion of soil and sea will gradually damage the environment itself because it serves a subtle yet important function in nature chemistry, not to mention, of course, that China just happens to also be a huge source of Lithium! And you can be sure the Chinese are not going to spend one extra yuan worrying about pollution there.

For the most part, all we are doing with much of the supposed green energy now is trading one form of pollution and environmental damage for the other, except that, like fossil fuel, it may take several generations to begin to be forcibly confronted with it. Just imagine the waste from megatons of old, used and spent recycled solar panels and lithium-ion batteries!

IMO, a far more intelligent strategy would be to develop and use wind and solar for what they are best for as an adjunct to conventional energy sources while continuing to research and develop cleaner fossil energy too until a true green energy source can be developed and made practical, such as the hydrogen fuel cell and nuclear fusion. But physics teaches us that as far as our science is presently concerned, there are no free lunches--- there is no cheap, easy energy source we can use that doesn't come with one large impact or another of some kind on our environment.

Just imagine someone so stupid that they claim what is already being done cannot be done. LOL