Families Outraged After Illinois Fails to Pay Out $288 Million in Lottery Winnings

[thereisnospoon]

Michigan pays

Michigan woman wins $310.5 million Powerball

All states pay. There is NO state were a lottery winner has NOT gotten their payout

Until now. No state has ever been late paying either. See, if they were responsible, they would have set the money for payouts aside in a separate account, but they're a bunch of unscrupulous thieves, so they spent it instead.

please, stop pretending you know anything about this stuff.

Please, name the states you know of that set the money for payouts aside in a separate account. should be easy to do

No...YOU stop pretending.....
Budget Woes Are Forcing One State Lotto To Hold Off On Issuing Prizes
"Illinois lottery spokesman Steve Rossi said the funding to pay winners exists in a state lotto fund that is separate from the state treasury, but it can't be released into the check-writing account until a budget is approved.
Next time you want to drop a challenge in here, send a substitute for yourself.

 

[SwimExpert]

It isn't "Responsible money management". It is outright theft. Would you be okay with a casino withholding winnings because they had fucked up their "money management?

In fact, it is common for casinos to do so.

No they do not. If a casino arbitrarily withholds winnings the license can be suspended or revoked.
And let's suppose the Mirage in Vegas decided to randomly do this. How long do you think it would take for the word to get out that the Mirage was ripping off winning players by not paying them? And how long after that would the Mirage casino floor be devoid of players?
Think a bit before you post.

Who said anything about randomly or arbitrarily?

 

[Searcher44]

It isn't "Responsible money management". It is outright theft. Would you be okay with a casino withholding winnings because they had fucked up their "money management?

In fact, it is common for casinos to do so.

No they do not. If a casino arbitrarily withholds winnings the license can be suspended or revoked.
And let's suppose the Mirage in Vegas decided to randomly do this. How long do you think it would take for the word to get out that the Mirage was ripping off winning players by not paying them? And how long after that would the Mirage casino floor be devoid of players?
Think a bit before you post.

Who said anything about randomly or arbitrarily?

Why don't you go ahead and explain the scenario (of casinos withholding winnings because of budget difficulties) could legally occur and they carry on business as usual.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The fucking crooks in Springfield should learn some fiscal responsibility.

The state is not like Donald Trump stiffing the people he owed money to. The state is going to pay out.

Your screed is bullshit

When did Trump stiff the people he owed money to?

You mean how many times did Trump stiff the people he owed money to

You mean when one of the companies he owned stock in declared bankruptcy?

What is this shit? He gets credit for companies but none of the blame?

You people are demented in the extreme. But most Americans get it. The Trumpster will be in the dumpster come November 2016

So fucking stupid. Trump has never declared personal bankruptcy. Nor has his company...
The casino was a separate entity that in fact, Trump no longer owned but allowed the owner to continue to use Trump's name.
Every large company is run like this.
For example. Ford owned a 40% stake in Volvo which it sold in 2011/ Now, during that time do you think the CEO of Ford would have been 'responsible' should Volvo be forced to apply for bankruptcy protection?
While Ford once had a large interest in Volvo, the Swedish auto make was still an autonomous firm.
It is amazing how you people have all these opinions yet you know nothing. And the real kicker is you know that you don't know yet you still think you can just post here without doing any research and then when challenged, don't even have the balls to admit you're wrong. Even in the face of evidence in the form of links which controverts your post.

 

[thereisnospoon]

It isn't "Responsible money management". It is outright theft. Would you be okay with a casino withholding winnings because they had fucked up their "money management?

In fact, it is common for casinos to do so.

No they do not. If a casino arbitrarily withholds winnings the license can be suspended or revoked.
And let's suppose the Mirage in Vegas decided to randomly do this. How long do you think it would take for the word to get out that the Mirage was ripping off winning players by not paying them? And how long after that would the Mirage casino floor be devoid of players?
Think a bit before you post.

Who said anything about randomly or arbitrarily?

What else would it be but a capricious decision to simply not pay off the winners.
What the fuck are we talking about here?.

 

[bripat9643]

It isn't "Responsible money management". It is outright theft. Would you be okay with a casino withholding winnings because they had fucked up their "money management?

In fact, it is common for casinos to do so.

I find that astounding. You mean they can legally withhold winnings because of budget difficulties and carry on business as usual? It's common? I don't think I'd frequent a casino that said "sorry we can't pay out your winnings, we have to pay our electric bill." Once would be too often.

No, casinos can't do that. If you present one of their chips, they have to exchange the appropriate amount of cash. Otherwise they will be up on charges.

 

[Searcher44]

It isn't "Responsible money management". It is outright theft. Would you be okay with a casino withholding winnings because they had fucked up their "money management?

In fact, it is common for casinos to do so.

No they do not. If a casino arbitrarily withholds winnings the license can be suspended or revoked.
And let's suppose the Mirage in Vegas decided to randomly do this. How long do you think it would take for the word to get out that the Mirage was ripping off winning players by not paying them? And how long after that would the Mirage casino floor be devoid of players?
Think a bit before you post.

Who said anything about randomly or arbitrarily?

What else would it be but a capricious decision to simply not pay off the winners.
What the fuck are we talking about here?.

I'm trying to get that answer from SwimExpert.

 

[bripat9643]

It isn't "Responsible money management". It is outright theft. Would you be okay with a casino withholding winnings because they had fucked up their "money management?

In fact, it is common for casinos to do so.

I find that astounding. You mean they can legally withhold winnings because of budget difficulties and carry on business as usual? It's common? I don't think I'd frequent a casino that said "sorry we can't pay out your winnings, we have to pay our electric bill." Once would be too often.

It's amazing how these leftists don't bat an eye about arguing that government should get away with outright theft. That tells you all you need to know about their moral code.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

I said "IF they were responsible." I'm not aware of any state government that is responsible. I private company is legally required to set the money aside. Otherwise they can be prosecuted for fraud. The Illinois state legislature is nothing more than a gang of criminals.

You don't get it yet, do you. Ok,I'll spell it out for you S-T-A-T-E L-O-T-T-E-R-I-E-S are N-O-T private companies.
Legislatures are not private companies and in the USA we elect our legislatures so if they are criminals it says more about the people than it does about the legislators

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Only secured creditors get paid, for the others including salaries and suppliers? The little guys Trump glosses over when he speaks of not being apologetic. What scum

They were all Chapter 11 restructurings, which lets a company stay in business while shedding debt it owes to banks, employees and suppliers.

He makes no apologies for having much of his debt wiped out. "These lenders aren't babies. These are total killers," he said at the debate. "These are not the nice, sweet little people."

Trump turned over majority control of the company to his bondholders but remained the largest single shareholder, and he once again kept control of the casinos.
Donald Trump bankruptcy: Everything you want to know
​

They can restructure their pensions and other retirement benefits, but they are required to pay any unpaid wages. In the case of unions, pensions and benefits are the result of extortion, so I see no reason a company should be held to those agreements.

Most non-union companies don't offer much in the way of retirement benefits these days, so I'm still mystified about who these "little guys" were that got stiffed.

Furthermore, in the case of the so-called Trump "bankruptcies" the only thing that happened is that the banks restructured their loans at a lower interest rate.

you support ripping off the little guy

screw you

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

It isn't "Responsible money management". It is outright theft. Would you be okay with a casino withholding winnings because they had fucked up their "money management?

In fact, it is common for casinos to do so.

I find that astounding. You mean they can legally withhold winnings because of budget difficulties and carry on business as usual? It's common? I don't think I'd frequent a casino that said "sorry we can't pay out your winnings, we have to pay our electric bill." Once would be too often.

Oh blow on something

people will still play the lottery in huge numbers because unlike casinos they are not being raped while they are playing.

and if any of those whiners want to sell their winning tickets for 30 cents on the dollar...

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

It isn't "Responsible money management". It is outright theft. Would you be okay with a casino withholding winnings because they had fucked up their "money management?

In fact, it is common for casinos to do so.

No they do not. If a casino arbitrarily withholds winnings the license can be suspended or revoked.
And let's suppose the Mirage in Vegas decided to randomly do this. How long do you think it would take for the word to get out that the Mirage was ripping off winning players by not paying them? And how long after that would the Mirage casino floor be devoid of players?
Think a bit before you post.

stop hijacking the thread


loser!

 

[bripat9643]

I said "IF they were responsible." I'm not aware of any state government that is responsible. I private company is legally required to set the money aside. Otherwise they can be prosecuted for fraud. The Illinois state legislature is nothing more than a gang of criminals.

You don't get it yet, do you. Ok,I'll spell it out for you S-T-A-T-E L-O-T-T-E-R-I-E-S are N-O-T private companies.
Legislatures are not private companies and in the USA we elect our legislatures so if they are criminals it says more about the people than it does about the legislators

So it's OK if the government steals? Is that really what you're trying to say?

 

[bripat9643]

Only secured creditors get paid, for the others including salaries and suppliers? The little guys Trump glosses over when he speaks of not being apologetic. What scum

They were all Chapter 11 restructurings, which lets a company stay in business while shedding debt it owes to banks, employees and suppliers.

He makes no apologies for having much of his debt wiped out. "These lenders aren't babies. These are total killers," he said at the debate. "These are not the nice, sweet little people."

Trump turned over majority control of the company to his bondholders but remained the largest single shareholder, and he once again kept control of the casinos.
Donald Trump bankruptcy: Everything you want to know
​

They can restructure their pensions and other retirement benefits, but they are required to pay any unpaid wages. In the case of unions, pensions and benefits are the result of extortion, so I see no reason a company should be held to those agreements.

Most non-union companies don't offer much in the way of retirement benefits these days, so I'm still mystified about who these "little guys" were that got stiffed.

Furthermore, in the case of the so-called Trump "bankruptcies" the only thing that happened is that the banks restructured their loans at a lower interest rate.

you support ripping off the little guy

screw you

Hmmm, you mean lottery winners aren't the "little guy?"

Please quote where I have ever supported ripping off anyone.

 

[bripat9643]

I said "IF they were responsible." I'm not aware of any state government that is responsible. I private company is legally required to set the money aside. Otherwise they can be prosecuted for fraud. The Illinois state legislature is nothing more than a gang of criminals.

You don't get it yet, do you. Ok,I'll spell it out for you S-T-A-T-E L-O-T-T-E-R-I-E-S are N-O-T private companies.
Legislatures are not private companies and in the USA we elect our legislatures so if they are criminals it says more about the people than it does about the legislators

I think you're trying to establish the definition that government is the only organization with a license to steal.

 

[bripat9643]

It isn't "Responsible money management". It is outright theft. Would you be okay with a casino withholding winnings because they had fucked up their "money management?

In fact, it is common for casinos to do so.

I find that astounding. You mean they can legally withhold winnings because of budget difficulties and carry on business as usual? It's common? I don't think I'd frequent a casino that said "sorry we can't pay out your winnings, we have to pay our electric bill." Once would be too often.

Oh blow on something

people will still play the lottery in huge numbers because unlike casinos they are not being raped while they are playing.

and if any of those whiners want to sell their winning tickets for 30 cents on the dollar...

Actually, the lottery rapes people a lot worse than any casino. The lottery keeps half of all the money it takes from ticket buyers. Casinos typically keep only a small percentage of the money wagered at the tables and roulette wheel.

The bottom line is that government is far sleazier than any corrupt private industry. It always has been. Government is a sleazy dishonest racket. It's nothing more than an organized criminal gang.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

I said "IF they were responsible." I'm not aware of any state government that is responsible. I private company is legally required to set the money aside. Otherwise they can be prosecuted for fraud. The Illinois state legislature is nothing more than a gang of criminals.

You don't get it yet, do you. Ok,I'll spell it out for you S-T-A-T-E L-O-T-T-E-R-I-E-S are N-O-T private companies.
Legislatures are not private companies and in the USA we elect our legislatures so if they are criminals it says more about the people than it does about the legislators

So it's OK if the government steals? Is that really what you're trying to say?

No one is stealing, unless of course like a billionaire they get to claim bankruptcy and stiff the littlle guy

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Only secured creditors get paid, for the others including salaries and suppliers? The little guys Trump glosses over when he speaks of not being apologetic. What scum

They were all Chapter 11 restructurings, which lets a company stay in business while shedding debt it owes to banks, employees and suppliers.

He makes no apologies for having much of his debt wiped out. "These lenders aren't babies. These are total killers," he said at the debate. "These are not the nice, sweet little people."

Trump turned over majority control of the company to his bondholders but remained the largest single shareholder, and he once again kept control of the casinos.
Donald Trump bankruptcy: Everything you want to know
​

They can restructure their pensions and other retirement benefits, but they are required to pay any unpaid wages. In the case of unions, pensions and benefits are the result of extortion, so I see no reason a company should be held to those agreements.

Most non-union companies don't offer much in the way of retirement benefits these days, so I'm still mystified about who these "little guys" were that got stiffed.

Furthermore, in the case of the so-called Trump "bankruptcies" the only thing that happened is that the banks restructured their loans at a lower interest rate.

you support ripping off the little guy

screw you

Hmmm, you mean lottery winners aren't the "little guy?"

Please quote where I have ever supported ripping off anyone.

you support Trump's bankruptcies

Lottery winners aren't being ripped of by the state

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

I said "IF they were responsible." I'm not aware of any state government that is responsible. I private company is legally required to set the money aside. Otherwise they can be prosecuted for fraud. The Illinois state legislature is nothing more than a gang of criminals.

You don't get it yet, do you. Ok,I'll spell it out for you S-T-A-T-E L-O-T-T-E-R-I-E-S are N-O-T private companies.
Legislatures are not private companies and in the USA we elect our legislatures so if they are criminals it says more about the people than it does about the legislators

I think you're trying to establish the definition that government is the only organization with a license to steal.

government in the USA is not stealing anyone's money

next

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Actually, the lottery rapes people a lot worse than any casino...

you're confused as usual,. you are counting the total as if there is an alternative. You remind me of people who sell a house for x amount of dollars and think they lost money when they paid capital gains

Casnios are worse places to go than to a local neighborhood store. Lotteries are great. People play and enjoy it without losing hundreds, thousands or hundreds of thousands

go away you misanthropic tool