Eyjafjallajokull

[Big Fitz]

the eruption is spewing carbon ash into the air which mean more Global Warming, right?
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Wrong, the ash is mostly silica. CO2 is vented, but its action is blunted by SO2 and the ash itself, which partially block light. As for the amount vented, it's trivial compared to the 60 million tons of CO2 emitted DAILY by man.

awwww... damn those negative feedback loops.

And don't worry, the ocean assidification will absorb the rest of the what?... 0.001% of .04% of total atmospheric count of CO2 the volcano gave off so the Atlantic will drop another trillionth of a percent PH.

You guys just can't get around the magnitude of scale, can you?

 

[westwall]

Boy you must live under a rock. Currently the estimates for the eruption are between 150,000 to 300,000 tons per day which on a volcanic scale is pretty minor. It is however the equivalent of the total output of CO2 for an average sized European country for that same day. A really large eruption (as has been going on in Hawaii ( Kīlauea)for the last 27 years) has pumped more CO2 and NO2 and H2S into the atmosphere than all of mans pollution for all of mans history.

At least get a basic level of knowledge before you spout your drivel.

the eruption is spewing carbon ash into the air which mean more Global Warming, right?
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Wrong, the ash is mostly silica. CO2 is vented, but its action is blunted by SO2 and the ash itself, which partially block light. As for the amount vented, it's trivial compared to the 60 million tons of CO2 emitted DAILY by man.

 

[westwall]

Sorry to tell you this but I am a scientist and I love good scientists. The ones you refer to however are guilty of academic fraud and ethical violations on a scale equal to the Eugenics supporters of old.

Peer level cretins?

I believe that's shorthand for Hansen/Mann/Jones/East Anglia/Gore/and all their cargo cultist ilk.

I wonder how this pollution load compares to all of mankind's production throughout history. x1 the amount? x5? x10 ever produced by man?

Very minor compared to our total output.

And we all realize that you don't like scientists, science, or facts of any kind.

 

[westwall]

Here you go. I can't post a link here yet but you can look it up yourself!@

"Diana Rehm (NPR): We do wonder whether there's human involvement in all of these eruptions, earthquakes, storms -

Elise Labott (senior State Department producer for CNN): - and how much global warming has a role in it. You know we've seen a lot of wacky weather but that's just a microcosm for what's happening around the world and how much climate change is contributing to earthquakes and volcanic ash - it's a really good question."

And then of course we have this little tidbit from Scientific American published by Reuters...

By Alister Doyle, Environment Correspondent

OSLO (Reuters) – A thaw of Iceland’s ice caps in coming decades caused by climate change may trigger more volcanic eruptions by removing a vast weight and freeing magma from deep below ground, scientists said on Friday.

They said there was no sign that the current eruption from below the Eyjafjallajokull glacier that has paralysed flights over northern Europe was linked to global warming. The glacier is too small and light to affect local geology.

“Our work suggests that eventually there will be either somewhat larger eruptions or more frequent eruptions in Iceland in coming decades,” said Freysteinn Sigmundsson, a vulcanologist at the University of Iceland.

“Global warming melts ice and this can influence magmatic systems,” he told Reuters. The end of the Ice Age 10,000 years ago coincided with a surge in volcanic activity in Iceland, apparently because huge ice caps thinned and the land rose.

“We believe the reduction of ice has not been important in triggering this latest eruption,” he said of Eyjafjallajokull. “The eruption is happening under a relatively small ice cap.”

Carolina Pagli, a geophysicist at the University of Leeds in England, said there were risks that climate change could also trigger volcanic eruptions or earthquakes in places such as Mount Erebus in Antarctica, the Aleutian islands of Alaska or Patagonia in South America.


So there you go. Everything and I mean everything that happens in the world today is attributable to Global Warming...what a complete farce.


Cheers!

Actually, if we live to see another giant volcanic caldera eruption (like Yellowstone or Mammoth(the Long Valley Caldera) in California) life as we know it would be pretty much over. When Mammoth cooked off 760,000 years ago it killed all life on the west coast and there are measurable deposits of the Bishop Tuff (the ejecta from the eruption) clear out to the Mid-Atlantic Ridge in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean.

And as far as the AGW crowd goes they are allready making the claim that global warming will cause more eruptions as the weight of the ice decreases the magma will be released and boom a whole bunch of eruptions will occur. It never ceases to amaze me how incredibly stupid these clowns are.






Given the effects of this rather minor volcanic eruption, imagine the effects of a Tambora, or worse yet, a Yellowstone sized, eruption. The whole world's economy would be trashed.

Care to post a link to where someone is claiming that the isostatic rebound will cause major eruptions? It may increase the chances of already active areas erupting, but it will not cause major new volcanism.[/QUOTE]

 

[Toro]

Bush had a hurricane machine. Maybe he has a volcano machine too...

 

[Old Rocks]

Given the current projections of hurricane activity for this year, it may seem as if Obama has a hurricane machine, also.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Didn't you Warmer predict that the South Atlantic was going to turn into Jupiters Great Red Spot with Cat 5 hurricanes every other day?

 

[Old Rocks]

Sorry to tell you this but I am a scientist and I love good scientists. The ones you refer to however are guilty of academic fraud and ethical violations on a scale equal to the Eugenics supporters of old.

I believe that's shorthand for Hansen/Mann/Jones/East Anglia/Gore/and all their cargo cultist ilk.

I wonder how this pollution load compares to all of mankind's production throughout history. x1 the amount? x5? x10 ever produced by man?

Very minor compared to our total output.

And we all realize that you don't like scientists, science, or facts of any kind.

Really, a scientist? I certainly could not tell that by your posts thus far.

 

[Old Rocks]

Boy you must live under a rock. Currently the estimates for the eruption are between 150,000 to 300,000 tons per day which on a volcanic scale is pretty minor. It is however the equivalent of the total output of CO2 for an average sized European country for that same day. A really large eruption (as has been going on in Hawaii ( Kīlauea)for the last 27 years) has pumped more CO2 and NO2 and H2S into the atmosphere than all of mans pollution for all of mans history.

At least get a basic level of knowledge before you spout your drivel.

the eruption is spewing carbon ash into the air which mean more Global Warming, right?
------------------------------

Wrong, the ash is mostly silica. CO2 is vented, but its action is blunted by SO2 and the ash itself, which partially block light. As for the amount vented, it's trivial compared to the 60 million tons of CO2 emitted DAILY by man.

Really, now Westwall. A scientist? And you make a statement like that concerning the comparison of anthropogenic CO2 versus volcanic CO2?

Here is what real scientists of the USGS state concerning volcanic and anthropogenic CO2;

Volcanic Gases and Their Effects

Comparison of CO2 emissions from volcanoes vs. human activities.
Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (Gerlach, 1991). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. Emissions of CO2 by human activities, including fossil fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring, amount to about 27 billion tonnes per year (30 billion tons) [ ( Marland, et al., 2006) - The reference gives the amount of released carbon (C), rather than CO2, through 2003.]. Human activities release more than 130 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes--the equivalent of more than 8,000 additional volcanoes like Kilauea (Kilauea emits about 3.3 million tonnes/year)! (Gerlach et. al., 2002)

 

[dilloduck]

Given the current projections of hurricane activity for this year, it may seem as if Obama has a hurricane machine, also.

Ya ya --the "scientists " told us that last year too.

 

[Old Rocks]

Hmmm....... declining El Nino, exceptionally warm Atlantic. 2005 mean anything to you?

 

[dilloduck]

uh---last year was 2009. Try to keep up old man.

 

[konradv]

uh---last year was 2009.

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So what? Things aren't linear. There ARE other forces at work. The deniers like to say that AGW believers ignore the other factors, which is totally untrue. They do that to try and distract the public into ignoring the rising levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

uh---last year was 2009.

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So what? Things aren't linear. There ARE other forces at work. The deniers like to say that AGW believers ignore the other factors, which is totally untrue. They do that to try and distract the public into ignoring the rising levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

What the Wamers do is find any place where it's warm and say, "HA! See That! Global Warming!!"

That's not science

 

[Big Fitz]

Really, a scientist? I certainly could not tell that by your posts thus far.

Oh noes! Westwall no can has teh millrat Seal o Truthiness cuz he dissagrees wit Crocks!

Deigning who is and is not a scientist again? Nice. smacks of authority and prestige, even.

 

[Big Fitz]

Hmmm....... declining El Nino, exceptionally warm Atlantic. 2005 mean anything to you?

Mean's the casino's going to take your money again But if you keep betting on the same number... sooner or later, it'll be true, but still not create a winning streak.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

Hmmm....... declining El Nino, exceptionally warm Atlantic. 2005 mean anything to you?

Mean's the casino's going to take your money again But if you keep betting on the same number... sooner or later, it'll be true, but still not create a winning streak.

If you bet like this in Vegas, they will love you. Every random event has the same odds.


It is conceivable that we have been on a warming trend since the 1630's, and it may just be that we have hit the top of the warming trend.

(Unlikely, but conceivable.)

 

[Big Fitz]

Hmmm....... declining El Nino, exceptionally warm Atlantic. 2005 mean anything to you?

Mean's the casino's going to take your money again But if you keep betting on the same number... sooner or later, it'll be true, but still not create a winning streak.

If you bet like this in Vegas, they will love you. Every random event has the same odds.


It is conceivable that we have been on a warming trend since the 1630's, and it may just be that we have hit the top of the warming trend.

(Unlikely, but conceivable.)

with the exception of that little hiccup from 1860 to 1920's where temperatures were colder than normal.

Of course, this is all man's fault too.

 

[gslack]

the eruption is spewing carbon ash into the air which mean more Global Warming, right?
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Wrong, the ash is mostly silica. CO2 is vented, but its action is blunted by SO2 and the ash itself, which partially block light. As for the amount vented, it's trivial compared to the 60 million tons of CO2 emitted DAILY by man.

Uh-huh.... can't even say it can you.... CO2 is released by volcanoes... See that it was easy. Saying its vented is an attempt to diminish it. And its a classic weasel tactic... and it pisses me off when people try it..

Ash, is a problem and its already been stated as much by you warmers before. Ash on snow remember? You guys can't even keep your bullshit straight.

More of the "its trivial compared to this gigantic and frightening number" crap.... BS,its one Volcano and in a day one single one in Hawaii (a rather benign one) emits between 8,000 and 30,000 metric tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere each day. Thats one volcano each and every day... Now how many are active like that? We don't know really as far as how much each puts out. All we do know is this...

Global Volcanism Program | Frequently Asked Questions | How many active volcanoes are there in the world?

How many active volcanoes known?
Erupting now: perhaps 20
Each year: 50-70
Each decade: about 160
Historical eruptions: about 550
Known Holocene eruptions (last 10,000 years): about 1300
Known (and possible) Holocene eruptions: about 1500

Now some of those are actively studied and some are not. We do not know how much CO2 they emit a day or year. All we can do is give a best estimate based on the ones we do study...

Notice in the information above we see a lot of the word "about" yeah kinda says it all huh. Means we don't know for sure there are a lot of places underwater we cannot really be sure about.

Also the amount that is claimed we produce a day is very dubious and misleading. What they don't mention is how much that is compared to the overall amount produced in a day for the planet. Here I will even use the liberal bias wikkipedia for this...

Carbon dioxide in Earth's atmosphere - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Natural sources of atmospheric carbon dioxide include volcanic outgassing, the combustion of organic matter, and the respiration processes of living aerobic organisms; man-made sources of carbon dioxide include the burning of fossil fuels for heating, power generation and transport, as well as some industrial processes such as cement making. It is also produced by various microorganisms from fermentation and cellular respiration. Plants convert carbon dioxide to carbohydrates during a process called photosynthesis. They produce the energy needed for this reaction through the photolysis of water. The resulting gas, oxygen, is released into the atmosphere by plants, which is subsequently used for respiration by heterotrophic organisms, forming a cycle.

Over 95% of total CO2 emissions are non-anthropogenic. For example, the natural decay of organic material in forests and grasslands, such as dead trees, results in the release of about 220 gigatonnes of carbon dioxide every year.

So after all the big numbers and hooplah we represent a measly 5% of the total CO2 emitted daily...... WOW!

Thats the reality in all this crap you guys spew. It is a whole bunch of scary numbers all thrown out there all designed to give a false impression and an unrealistic view.

The reality is clear. We contribute an extra 5% a day, and no matter what the big scary sounding number currently is, it is currently just 5% over what is produced already by the planet naturally...

Oh please come back with more scary numbers with different means and units of measure. make sure you get some in giga-tonnes or a bajillion grams, or whatever you have to, and in the end it will still represent an additional 5%......

Oldsocks the so-called science man has ignored this bit of science.....

 

[westwall]

When you have to resort to personal insults you've lost the argument old pal!

Cheers!

Sorry to tell you this but I am a scientist and I love good scientists. The ones you refer to however are guilty of academic fraud and ethical violations on a scale equal to the Eugenics supporters of old.

Very minor compared to our total output.

And we all realize that you don't like scientists, science, or facts of any kind.

Really, a scientist? I certainly could not tell that by your posts thus far.