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[PoliticalChic]

We both know there is a lot of difference between most Catholics and most Evans and fundamentalist. Don't try and deny it.

So sorry, dunce.

I'm not allowing you to squirm out from under this absurd attempted lie:

"...the RC philosophy of socialism."

the monastic life------is entirely SOCIALISTIC ---. Socialism has definite roots in Christianity and Judaism.
The tithe as a religious requirement is also a socialist concept. In agriculture the gleaners corner REQUIRE-
MENT is also a form of socialism There are societies that are entirely NON-SOCIALISTIC having no actual
material "sharing" laws and religious requirements? I cannot think of any

"There are societies that are entirely NON-SOCIALISTIC having no actual
material "sharing" laws and religious requirements? I cannot think of any"

A fallacious argument, because you don't recognize that theft by coercion is not the same as voluntary giving.




Marvin Olasky, in "The Tragedy of American Compassion," explains that human needs were taken care of by other human beings- not by bureaucracies. The important difference was that the latter may take care of food and shelter...but the former also dealt with the human spirit and behavior.
Welfare programs today, are Liberal….conservatives don’t look for material solutions, but understand that changing values is what solves the problem of poverty..

Here's the Biblical....and American....system of taking care of those who need help:
1. Well, how was "welfare" formerly handled? Noted in the minutes of the Fairfield, Connecticut town council meeting: "April 16, 1673, Seriant Squire and Sam moorhouse [agreed] to Take care of Roger knaps family in this time of their great weaknes...." "Heritage of American Social Work: Readings in Its Philosophical and Institutional Development," by Ralph Pumphrey and W. Muriel Pumphrey, p.22.

2. November, 1753, from the Chelmsford, Massachusetts town meeting: "payment to Mr. W. Parker for takng one Joanna Cory, a poor child of John Cory, deceased, and to take caree of her while [until] 18 years old."
See The Social Service Review XI (September 1937), p. 452.

3. The Scots' Charitable Society, organized in 1684, "open[ed] the bowells of our compassion" to widows like Mrs. Stewart, who had "lost the use of her left arm" and whose husband was "Wash'd Overboard in a Storm."
Pumphrey, Op.Cit., p. 29.

4. And here is the major difference between current efforts and the earlier: charity was not handed out indiscriminately- "no prophane or diselut person, or openly scandelous shall have any pairt or portione herein."

The able-bodied were expected to find work, and if they chose not to, well....it was considered perfectly appropriate to press them to change their mind.
Olasky, "The Tragedy of American Compassion," chapter one.



Please stop pretending that the Liberal "charity" and 'welfare system' is based on anything but accruing votes.

 

[Penelope]

Is the right wing nut preacher Ralph Drollinger
your preacher. What a nightmare.

https://capmin.org/

 

[irosie91]

We both know there is a lot of difference between most Catholics and most Evans and fundamentalist. Don't try and deny it.

So sorry, dunce.

I'm not allowing you to squirm out from under this absurd attempted lie:

"...the RC philosophy of socialism."

the monastic life------is entirely SOCIALISTIC ---. Socialism has definite roots in Christianity and Judaism.
The tithe as a religious requirement is also a socialist concept. In agriculture the gleaners corner REQUIRE-
MENT is also a form of socialism There are societies that are entirely NON-SOCIALISTIC having no actual
material "sharing" laws and religious requirements? I cannot think of any

Nonsense.

The issue is whether socialism is advanced, by the Bible, as authorized by Socialists, Liberals, Progressives, Communists, Fascists, and Nazis.
It isn't.


"The tithe as a religious requirement is also a socialist concept."

Time for me to teach you today's lesson:
Tithing:
Let's go forward with the point, and underscore that the Bible, rather than authorizing taking from some and giving to others, via governmental intimidation or incarceration, prescribes a very different solution.

A form of giving..."tithing".... "is not for the poor! It is for specific individuals who could not provide for themselves because of specific circumstances. This “welfare” was for the Levites, because they did not own any land; for foreigners who temporarily needed aid while in the nation; for the fatherless, who were too young to provide for themselves and did not have family to take care of them; and for widows who likewise were too old to work or had no family to support them.


...tithe was not given to able-bodied men and women who were capable of working. For able-bodied people, God’s welfare system is—work. How different from modern social welfare programs!

In fact, the Bible is clear that people should be rewarded by what they contribute to society.

The Bible is specific about what God expects of able-bodied members of society. In 2 Thessalonians 3:10, Paul said, “If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat”


The Bible is filled with many such admonitions to work and provide for your family.“But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel” (1 Timothy 5:8)." Is God a Socialist?




So....redistribution is not charity a la the Bible....it is theft

And the welfare system endorsed by scripture is .....personal responsibility, and earning.




The Liberal welfare system.....socialism writ large......is clearly unrelated to the Bible.

oh----I see it as the same-----there are specific requirements for eligibility for welfare and even for
"social security disability". Try----some day, to, simply, go to your local municipal building and
demand welfare payments. "god" is, INDEED, a socialist

 

[Moonglow]

Remeber to the nutters that taxation is theft, yet no income taxation has ever existed in a nation, so they have always paid taxes, in one form or another...Polislicks plays her rhetorical propaganda like a violin out of tune..

 

[Moonglow]

Poli's idea of christianity is Jesus saying the poor could only benefit from donations and not govt. intervention, yet Christ said it was even better when the govt. gave also...

 

[PoliticalChic]

Is the right wing nut preacher Ralph Drollinger
your preacher. What a nightmare.

https://capmin.org/

1. You wrote this:
"...the RC philosophy of socialism."

Your explanation for said posting is that Christianity is somehow related to socialism....a conflation which does not exist.


2. Now you attempt to pretend that either socialism or Christianity is synonymous with "civil rights, and fairness."
Another fabrication.

3. And this lie: "The KKK is an Evan Fundy thing."
a. Liberal historian Eric Foner writes that the Klan was “…a military force serving the interests of the Democratic Party…” Foner, “Reconstruction: America’s Unfinished Revolution, 1863-1877,” p. 425

b. Democrat/Liberal icon Franklin Roosevelt made his first Supreme Court nominee a KKKer, Hugo Black

c. Slavery, segregation and second class citizenship is the province of the Democrat Party, one known as the enemy of Christianity.

Sooo....which are you more of today....an imbecile or a liar?


4. I wrote this:
Try to be articulate......and then watch me rip you a new one.
And, now.....I will do so:
Socialism has nothing......nothing.....to do with the Bible nor with Christianity.
Take notes:
An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'

The Bible advocates generosity.

These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.


The motivation to give and share originates in compassion, as 1 John 3:17 indicates—but there is choice involved.

With socialism, it is the opposite.
Redistribution of wealth is always by force of government. The government simply uses its overwhelming power to take what it thinks is “fair” from the “givers.” Is God a Socialist?

Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, Fascism, Nazism, or Progressivism.


Now, you're dismissed.
Lying is a sin.
Go forth and sin no more.

 

[PoliticalChic]

We both know there is a lot of difference between most Catholics and most Evans and fundamentalist. Don't try and deny it.

So sorry, dunce.

I'm not allowing you to squirm out from under this absurd attempted lie:

"...the RC philosophy of socialism."

the monastic life------is entirely SOCIALISTIC ---. Socialism has definite roots in Christianity and Judaism.
The tithe as a religious requirement is also a socialist concept. In agriculture the gleaners corner REQUIRE-
MENT is also a form of socialism There are societies that are entirely NON-SOCIALISTIC having no actual
material "sharing" laws and religious requirements? I cannot think of any

Nonsense.

The issue is whether socialism is advanced, by the Bible, as authorized by Socialists, Liberals, Progressives, Communists, Fascists, and Nazis.
It isn't.


"The tithe as a religious requirement is also a socialist concept."

Time for me to teach you today's lesson:
Tithing:
Let's go forward with the point, and underscore that the Bible, rather than authorizing taking from some and giving to others, via governmental intimidation or incarceration, prescribes a very different solution.

A form of giving..."tithing".... "is not for the poor! It is for specific individuals who could not provide for themselves because of specific circumstances. This “welfare” was for the Levites, because they did not own any land; for foreigners who temporarily needed aid while in the nation; for the fatherless, who were too young to provide for themselves and did not have family to take care of them; and for widows who likewise were too old to work or had no family to support them.


...tithe was not given to able-bodied men and women who were capable of working. For able-bodied people, God’s welfare system is—work. How different from modern social welfare programs!

In fact, the Bible is clear that people should be rewarded by what they contribute to society.

The Bible is specific about what God expects of able-bodied members of society. In 2 Thessalonians 3:10, Paul said, “If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat”


The Bible is filled with many such admonitions to work and provide for your family.“But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel” (1 Timothy 5:8)." Is God a Socialist?




So....redistribution is not charity a la the Bible....it is theft

And the welfare system endorsed by scripture is .....personal responsibility, and earning.




The Liberal welfare system.....socialism writ large......is clearly unrelated to the Bible.

oh----I see it as the same-----there are specific requirements for eligibility for welfare and even for
"social security disability". Try----some day, to, simply, go to your local municipal building and
demand welfare payments. "god" is, INDEED, a socialist

"oh----I see it as the same-"

You couldn't be more wrong.
You could try to be, but you wouldn't be successful.

 

[Penelope]

We both know there is a lot of difference between most Catholics and most Evans and fundamentalist. Don't try and deny it.

So sorry, dunce.

I'm not allowing you to squirm out from under this absurd attempted lie:

"...the RC philosophy of socialism."

the monastic life------is entirely SOCIALISTIC ---. Socialism has definite roots in Christianity and Judaism.
The tithe as a religious requirement is also a socialist concept. In agriculture the gleaners corner REQUIRE-
MENT is also a form of socialism There are societies that are entirely NON-SOCIALISTIC having no actual
material "sharing" laws and religious requirements? I cannot think of any

Nonsense.

The issue is whether socialism is advanced, by the Bible, as authorized by Socialists, Liberals, Progressives, Communists, Fascists, and Nazis.
It isn't.


"The tithe as a religious requirement is also a socialist concept."

Time for me to teach you today's lesson:
Tithing:
Let's go forward with the point, and underscore that the Bible, rather than authorizing taking from some and giving to others, via governmental intimidation or incarceration, prescribes a very different solution.

A form of giving..."tithing".... "is not for the poor! It is for specific individuals who could not provide for themselves because of specific circumstances. This “welfare” was for the Levites, because they did not own any land; for foreigners who temporarily needed aid while in the nation; for the fatherless, who were too young to provide for themselves and did not have family to take care of them; and for widows who likewise were too old to work or had no family to support them.


...tithe was not given to able-bodied men and women who were capable of working. For able-bodied people, God’s welfare system is—work. How different from modern social welfare programs!

In fact, the Bible is clear that people should be rewarded by what they contribute to society.

The Bible is specific about what God expects of able-bodied members of society. In 2 Thessalonians 3:10, Paul said, “If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat”


The Bible is filled with many such admonitions to work and provide for your family.“But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel” (1 Timothy 5:8)." Is God a Socialist?




So....redistribution is not charity a la the Bible....it is theft

And the welfare system endorsed by scripture is .....personal responsibility, and earning.




The Liberal welfare system.....socialism writ large......is clearly unrelated to the Bible.

oh----I see it as the same-----there are specific requirements for eligibility for welfare and even for
"social security disability". Try----some day, to, simply, go to your local municipal building and
demand welfare payments. "god" is, INDEED, a socialist

"oh----I see it as the same-"

You couldn't be more wrong.
You could try to be, but you wouldn't be successful.

Your group wants to take away gov welfare and leave it up to the churches to supply welfare. So then the Churches must be socialists.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So sorry, dunce.

I'm not allowing you to squirm out from under this absurd attempted lie:

"...the RC philosophy of socialism."

the monastic life------is entirely SOCIALISTIC ---. Socialism has definite roots in Christianity and Judaism.
The tithe as a religious requirement is also a socialist concept. In agriculture the gleaners corner REQUIRE-
MENT is also a form of socialism There are societies that are entirely NON-SOCIALISTIC having no actual
material "sharing" laws and religious requirements? I cannot think of any

Nonsense.

The issue is whether socialism is advanced, by the Bible, as authorized by Socialists, Liberals, Progressives, Communists, Fascists, and Nazis.
It isn't.


"The tithe as a religious requirement is also a socialist concept."

Time for me to teach you today's lesson:
Tithing:
Let's go forward with the point, and underscore that the Bible, rather than authorizing taking from some and giving to others, via governmental intimidation or incarceration, prescribes a very different solution.

A form of giving..."tithing".... "is not for the poor! It is for specific individuals who could not provide for themselves because of specific circumstances. This “welfare” was for the Levites, because they did not own any land; for foreigners who temporarily needed aid while in the nation; for the fatherless, who were too young to provide for themselves and did not have family to take care of them; and for widows who likewise were too old to work or had no family to support them.


...tithe was not given to able-bodied men and women who were capable of working. For able-bodied people, God’s welfare system is—work. How different from modern social welfare programs!

In fact, the Bible is clear that people should be rewarded by what they contribute to society.

The Bible is specific about what God expects of able-bodied members of society. In 2 Thessalonians 3:10, Paul said, “If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat”


The Bible is filled with many such admonitions to work and provide for your family.“But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel” (1 Timothy 5:8)." Is God a Socialist?




So....redistribution is not charity a la the Bible....it is theft

And the welfare system endorsed by scripture is .....personal responsibility, and earning.




The Liberal welfare system.....socialism writ large......is clearly unrelated to the Bible.

oh----I see it as the same-----there are specific requirements for eligibility for welfare and even for
"social security disability". Try----some day, to, simply, go to your local municipal building and
demand welfare payments. "god" is, INDEED, a socialist

"oh----I see it as the same-"

You couldn't be more wrong.
You could try to be, but you wouldn't be successful.

Your group wants to take away gov welfare and leave it up to the churches to supply welfare. So then the Churches must be socialists.

1. You wrote this:
"...the RC philosophy of socialism."

Your explanation for said posting is that Christianity is somehow related to socialism....a conflation which does not exist.


2. Now you attempt to pretend that either socialism or Christianity is synonymous with "civil rights, and fairness."
Another fabrication.

3. And this lie: "The KKK is an Evan Fundy thing."
a. Liberal historian Eric Foner writes that the Klan was “…a military force serving the interests of the Democratic Party…” Foner, “Reconstruction: America’s Unfinished Revolution, 1863-1877,” p. 425

b. Democrat/Liberal icon Franklin Roosevelt made his first Supreme Court nominee a KKKer, Hugo Black

c. Slavery, segregation and second class citizenship is the province of the Democrat Party, one known as the enemy of Christianity.

Sooo....which are you more of today....an imbecile or a liar?


4. I wrote this:
Try to be articulate......and then watch me rip you a new one.
And, now.....I will do so:
Socialism has nothing......nothing.....to do with the Bible nor with Christianity.
Take notes:
An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'

The Bible advocates generosity.

These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.


The motivation to give and share originates in compassion, as 1 John 3:17 indicates—but there is choice involved.

With socialism, it is the opposite.
Redistribution of wealth is always by force of government. The government simply uses its overwhelming power to take what it thinks is “fair” from the “givers.” Is God a Socialist?

Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, Fascism, Nazism, or Progressivism.


Now, you're dismissed.
Lying is a sin.
Go forth and sin no more.

 

[Penelope]

the monastic life------is entirely SOCIALISTIC ---. Socialism has definite roots in Christianity and Judaism.
The tithe as a religious requirement is also a socialist concept. In agriculture the gleaners corner REQUIRE-
MENT is also a form of socialism There are societies that are entirely NON-SOCIALISTIC having no actual
material "sharing" laws and religious requirements? I cannot think of any

Nonsense.

The issue is whether socialism is advanced, by the Bible, as authorized by Socialists, Liberals, Progressives, Communists, Fascists, and Nazis.
It isn't.


"The tithe as a religious requirement is also a socialist concept."

Time for me to teach you today's lesson:
Tithing:
Let's go forward with the point, and underscore that the Bible, rather than authorizing taking from some and giving to others, via governmental intimidation or incarceration, prescribes a very different solution.

A form of giving..."tithing".... "is not for the poor! It is for specific individuals who could not provide for themselves because of specific circumstances. This “welfare” was for the Levites, because they did not own any land; for foreigners who temporarily needed aid while in the nation; for the fatherless, who were too young to provide for themselves and did not have family to take care of them; and for widows who likewise were too old to work or had no family to support them.


...tithe was not given to able-bodied men and women who were capable of working. For able-bodied people, God’s welfare system is—work. How different from modern social welfare programs!

In fact, the Bible is clear that people should be rewarded by what they contribute to society.

The Bible is specific about what God expects of able-bodied members of society. In 2 Thessalonians 3:10, Paul said, “If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat”


The Bible is filled with many such admonitions to work and provide for your family.“But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel” (1 Timothy 5:8)." Is God a Socialist?




So....redistribution is not charity a la the Bible....it is theft

And the welfare system endorsed by scripture is .....personal responsibility, and earning.




The Liberal welfare system.....socialism writ large......is clearly unrelated to the Bible.

oh----I see it as the same-----there are specific requirements for eligibility for welfare and even for
"social security disability". Try----some day, to, simply, go to your local municipal building and
demand welfare payments. "god" is, INDEED, a socialist

"oh----I see it as the same-"

You couldn't be more wrong.
You could try to be, but you wouldn't be successful.

Your group wants to take away gov welfare and leave it up to the churches to supply welfare. So then the Churches must be socialists.

1. You wrote this:
"...the RC philosophy of socialism."

Your explanation for said posting is that Christianity is somehow related to socialism....a conflation which does not exist.


2. Now you attempt to pretend that either socialism or Christianity is synonymous with "civil rights, and fairness."
Another fabrication.

3. And this lie: "The KKK is an Evan Fundy thing."
a. Liberal historian Eric Foner writes that the Klan was “…a military force serving the interests of the Democratic Party…” Foner, “Reconstruction: America’s Unfinished Revolution, 1863-1877,” p. 425

b. Democrat/Liberal icon Franklin Roosevelt made his first Supreme Court nominee a KKKer, Hugo Black

c. Slavery, segregation and second class citizenship is the province of the Democrat Party, one known as the enemy of Christianity.

Sooo....which are you more of today....an imbecile or a liar?


4. I wrote this:
Try to be articulate......and then watch me rip you a new one.
And, now.....I will do so:
Socialism has nothing......nothing.....to do with the Bible nor with Christianity.
Take notes:
An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'

The Bible advocates generosity.

These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.


The motivation to give and share originates in compassion, as 1 John 3:17 indicates—but there is choice involved.

With socialism, it is the opposite.
Redistribution of wealth is always by force of government. The government simply uses its overwhelming power to take what it thinks is “fair” from the “givers.” Is God a Socialist?

Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, Fascism, Nazism, or Progressivism.


Now, you're dismissed.
Lying is a sin.
Go forth and sin no more.

You never answered my question. If Jesus is not a socialist, why should Churches be in charge of helping those who are in need and not gov?????

Got a answer for me, I guess not.

 

[irosie91]

helping other humans is not just "righteous"------it is hardwired in the brains of humans as a
manifestation of EVOLUTION----survival of the species stuff

 

[PoliticalChic]

With a body-count of 50 million unborn human beings through abortion over the last 40 years, I'd have to say yes: Liberalism is inherently evil. It far surpasses the evil of Nazi Germany which exterminated 6 million Jews,and is vying for first place place with the Communist ideology, which has exterminated over a hundred million.

 

[ding]

Tell me how liberal Stalin was....I await the ignorance and poor nomenclature skills of the proletariats......

Stalin, Lenin and Marx were materialists. I am guessing like you. They were militant atheists. They condemned respect for anyone who believed in a higher power than man. Liberalism leads to radicalism. Radicalism leads to socialism. Socialism cannot resist becoming communism. A people without a heritage are easily persuaded.

 

[Moonglow]

Tell me how liberal Stalin was....I await the ignorance and poor nomenclature skills of the proletariats......

Stalin, Lenin and Marx were materialists. I am guessing like you. They were militant atheists. They condemned respect for anyone who believed in a higher power than man. Liberalism leads to radicalism. Radicalism leads to socialism. Socialism cannot resist becoming communism. A people without a heritage are easily persuaded.

You really are scared of what doesn't exist....

 

[ding]

Tell me how liberal Stalin was....I await the ignorance and poor nomenclature skills of the proletariats......

Stalin, Lenin and Marx were materialists. I am guessing like you. They were militant atheists. They condemned respect for anyone who believed in a higher power than man. Liberalism leads to radicalism. Radicalism leads to socialism. Socialism cannot resist becoming communism. A people without a heritage are easily persuaded.

You really are scared of what doesn't exist....

I am more than happy for you to see it that way.

 

[Moonglow]

With a body-count of 50 million unborn human beings through abortion over the last 40 years, I'd have to say yes: Liberalism is inherently evil. It far surpasses the evil of Nazi Germany which exterminated 6 million Jews,and is vying for first place place with the Communist ideology, which has exterminated over a hundred million.

Yet you say not one word about babies and kids killed by US bombs in the Middle East during the last round of wars for profit.

 

[Moonglow]

Tell me how liberal Stalin was....I await the ignorance and poor nomenclature skills of the proletariats......

Stalin, Lenin and Marx were materialists. I am guessing like you. They were militant atheists. They condemned respect for anyone who believed in a higher power than man. Liberalism leads to radicalism. Radicalism leads to socialism. Socialism cannot resist becoming communism. A people without a heritage are easily persuaded.

You really are scared of what doesn't exist....

I am more than happy for you to see it that way.

Evidently.

 

[ding]

With a body-count of 50 million unborn human beings through abortion over the last 40 years, I'd have to say yes: Liberalism is inherently evil. It far surpasses the evil of Nazi Germany which exterminated 6 million Jews,and is vying for first place place with the Communist ideology, which has exterminated over a hundred million.

Yet you say not one word about babies and kids killed by US bombs in the Middle East during the last round of wars for profit.

Truly a tragedy. Are you equating casualties of war to abortion or making a two wrongs makes a right argument?

 

[Moonglow]

With a body-count of 50 million unborn human beings through abortion over the last 40 years, I'd have to say yes: Liberalism is inherently evil. It far surpasses the evil of Nazi Germany which exterminated 6 million Jews,and is vying for first place place with the Communist ideology, which has exterminated over a hundred million.

Yet you say not one word about babies and kids killed by US bombs in the Middle East during the last round of wars for profit.

Truly a tragedy. Are you equating casualties of war to abortion or making a two wrongs makes a right argument?

I don't see how you can support war and be against abortion it's like being a twisted bitch. Children are killed along with pregnant Mothers over the fact that the CIA installed a dictator gone rogue..

 

[ding]

With a body-count of 50 million unborn human beings through abortion over the last 40 years, I'd have to say yes: Liberalism is inherently evil. It far surpasses the evil of Nazi Germany which exterminated 6 million Jews,and is vying for first place place with the Communist ideology, which has exterminated over a hundred million.

Yet you say not one word about babies and kids killed by US bombs in the Middle East during the last round of wars for profit.

Truly a tragedy. Are you equating casualties of war to abortion or making a two wrongs makes a right argument?

I don't see how you can support war and be against abortion it's like being a twisted bitch. Children are killed along with pregnant Mothers over the fact that the CIA installed a dictator gone rogue..

Which wars? Some wars are the lesser of two evils. But regardless of that I never rationalize any war as being moral. Or that war is not immoral. At the very least you rationalize that abortion is not immoral. So I have no incongruity in my beliefs. You do.