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[JakeStarkey]

If ugly means stupid ones come out with guns in hand, then summary execution is the proper answer.

The president can waive constitution procedures for protection of criminals if they poise a threat to the nation and the constitution.

The contest is Fascism vs. Socialism, and regardless of who wins it means the death of Americanism.

Stock up on survival gear, it's fixing to get REAL ugly out there...

I dissagree. The immediate choice for the LONG TERM is fascism vs ANY other possibility.

Too much socialism is of course not sustainable. It is however recoverable. Fascism is not. Not without a violent and bloody world revolution.

Like I said, it's fixing to get REAL ugly out there. Like Book of Revelation ugly, IMHO. Chapter 17-18 ugly...

 

[GuyPinestra]

If ugly means stupid ones come out with guns in hand, then summary execution is the proper answer.

The president can waive constitution procedures for protection of criminals if they poise a threat to the nation and the constitution.

You're a good little jackbooted Fascist, aren't you Fakey Jakey?

And what the fuck does "poise a threat" mean, anyway?

 

[HUGGY]

If ugly means stupid ones come out with guns in hand, then summary execution is the proper answer.

The president can waive constitution procedures for protection of criminals if they poise a threat to the nation and the constitution.

I dissagree. The immediate choice for the LONG TERM is fascism vs ANY other possibility.

Too much socialism is of course not sustainable. It is however recoverable. Fascism is not. Not without a violent and bloody world revolution.

Like I said, it's fixing to get REAL ugly out there. Like Book of Revelation ugly, IMHO. Chapter 17-18 ugly...

I'm pretty sure that if there is a bloody civil war everyone with a gun will be fairly well versed in the "rules". No rules. Take these recent Occupation and other protests in the streets. Replace bricks and bottles with AK 47s and hunting rifles and see how many police are left standing when the bullets start flying for real. There isn't enough army and marines back up to go against a few million well armed civilians. Hell ...our armed forces can't even beat a handful of pissed off Afgahns. If the American citizens are fighting for their lives it would be the best armed and sophisticated civilian armed force in the world.

Many police and military would refuse to fire on civilians as has been shown thruout the world when talk turns to guns. After all...those guys are Americans also... many would see the cause as just.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Nah, you brown shirts are the worry. If you come out with guns in hand in our town and take over, the authorities will give you complete control of your portions of the cemetery.

If ugly means stupid ones come out with guns in hand, then summary execution is the proper answer.

The president can waive constitution procedures for protection of criminals if they poise a threat to the nation and the constitution.

You're a good little jackbooted Fascist, aren't you Fakey Jakey?

And what the fuck does "poise a threat" mean, anyway?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Left or right, guy or huggy, an armed rising will be suppressed with the utmost violence and brutality.

 

[GuyPinestra]

Left or right, guy or huggy, an armed rising will be suppressed with the utmost violence and brutality.

Whatever Fakey...

There's an old saying, "I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees."

You, on the other hand, can break out the kneepads...

 

[HUGGY]

Nah, you brown shirts are the worry. If you come out with guns in hand in our town and take over, the authorities will give you complete control of your portions of the cemetery.

If ugly means stupid ones come out with guns in hand, then summary execution is the proper answer.

The president can waive constitution procedures for protection of criminals if they poise a threat to the nation and the constitution.

You're a good little jackbooted Fascist, aren't you Fakey Jakey?

And what the fuck does "poise a threat" mean, anyway?

You had me worried...so I just checked my closet.. I don't have a single brown shirt.

I don't see a really pissed off armed revolution content with "taking over" anybodies town.

It's one thing for a swat team to surround a house and pick away at the residents. It's a whole different program if a hundred people show up somewhere unannounced in fifty SUVs bearing arms with clear intent. My guess is the cops wouldn't fire a shot. It would put their community at too great a risk to lose half or more of their twenty to thirty men and women in uniform to take only out half the revolutionaries. The revolutionaries would take out every cell tower and police radio repeater station immediately. At some point they(the police) would have to fall back with no communications and then they would almost all get killed very quickly. Every vehicle that is identifiable as police would be pipebombed. And that would be in a rather small community.

Name one large city that could sustain a loss of a thousand police in a major battle. All this could happen far too quickly for a military response. Even if the military did come in shortly after ...how many places could they cover? Marshal law would be a joke. Once war had been established the military would be totally consumed with responding to live fire and then the looting would commence by those that just wanted to get survival supplies. U S Militaries are designed to fight wars where there is an identifiable enemy. They would get creamed fighting people that all look like the people they are supposed to be protecting. Check points would just be places for sodiers to die.

 

[HUGGY]

Left or right, guy or huggy, an armed rising will be suppressed with the utmost violence and brutality.

Violence and brutality could be a very busy two way street.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Sure, until the overwhelming force of the authorities backed up by other agencies and communities and the pro-government vigilantes who go looking for their rebel neighbors put an end to it.

There will be no viable American citizen uprising: can't be done.

 

[HUGGY]

Sure, until the overwhelming force of the authorities backed up by other agencies and communities and the pro-government vigilantes who go looking for their rebel neighbors put an end to it.

There will be no viable American citizen uprising: can't be done.

Maybe... if the gubmint attacks first. It's easy to say what people who are normally law abiding would do when the "outlaws" are rare and easily identified and isolated.

If things got to a point where there was justification in the minds of a million or more good Americans to go to war against tyranny your template is a bit less reliable.

Don't forget that the clear strength of our nation is in small business and small manufacturing. American invention has always been what made us superior to our enemies. If that ingenuity is brought to bear against ANY enemy I'm betting on the little guy.

 

[GuyPinestra]

Sure, until the overwhelming force of the authorities backed up by other agencies and communities and the pro-government vigilantes who go looking for their rebel neighbors put an end to it.

There will be no viable American citizen uprising: can't be done.

Funny, that 'overwhelming force' depends on American police and soldiers willing to fire on American citizens who they AGREE with.

Your fascist fantasy is a lot less likely than you try to portray.

 

[HUGGY]

As an addition to what I said about small manufacturing as it relates to weapons. I know a tad about manufacturing as I program and run NC machines. Right now Mexican cartels pay anywhere up to $10,000 dollars for automatic weapons. BUT if a small manufacturer was to set out to machine and assemble 10,000 machine guns his cost of materials would be around $100,000. Most machine shops make stuff similar to the parts that go into a machine gun every day. Ammunition too. No problem. Armour piercing? No problem. 50 cal sniping rifles .. no problem.

But Jakey will say... HUGGY what about the gubmint planes???!!!! AND HELLICOPTERS!!!! Laser guided anti aircraft rockets ...no problem.. shit you can buy laser pointers in 7-11. They sell rocket propellant in every hobby store.

Nope...a serious revolt wont be hippies all cornered in some downtown street.

I don't want to see our government oppress our citizens to the point that they must act to preserve their freedom but do not make the mistake of thinking that Americans have no chance of winning back this country from tyranny. What won back would be quite a mess and I wouldn't want to be hanging around in any metropolitan area for a long time afterward. Take a look at Syria right now...and Iraq.. Things would be pretty fucked up for a very long time if the American citizens had to get rid of the fascists by force.

 

[JakeStarkey]

GuyPinestra, the police don't agree with you, they have you in their sights.

That you don't see that underscores your emotional pathology.

 

[HUGGY]

GuyPinestra, the police don't agree with you, they have you in their sights.

That you don't see that underscores your emotional pathology.

Calm down Jakey... Guy's not your problem. It's the ones that DON"T post on internet message boards you should be worried about. This is all what if?...blah...blah...blah..

If there is an armed revolution you can pretty well assume it won't be organized on USMB..

 

[GuyPinestra]

GuyPinestra, the police don't agree with you, they have you in their sights.

That you don't see that underscores your emotional pathology.

I know LOTS of police, Fakey, and LOTS of military, too. The FACT is that a LARGE percentage of them DO agree with me, and would eschew their uniforms in order to uphold their oath to "Protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic." When that happens, many of their 'brothers in blue' will choose not to attack their brothers-in-arms, but will join with them instead.

You don't have enough jackbooted thugs to win, Fakey, so you and your ilk really shouldn't push it.

 

[freedombecki]

The left would love two viable conservative parties.

Ross Perot was a pretty good indicator of what a second conservative party always does; it insures that Democrats win.

 

[GuyPinestra]

The left would love two viable conservative parties.

Ross Perot was a pretty good indicator of what a second conservative party always does; it insures that Democrats win.

Knowing this to be true, wouldn't it make more sense for the 'Old Guard' Republicans to make enough room in the tent for the TEA Party and Libertarian factions rather than treat them with such contempt and disdain?

What are they afraid of?

 

[JakeStarkey]

That's not true at all.

You sound as loony as the lefties back during the late sixties and early seventies.

What you and Huggy are not getting is that Americans don't care as a whole about the inequities as you two perceive them to be.

Jefferson was right. People will bear their hardships as long as they are bearable. Neither a presidency under Obama or Romney will make those hardships so unbearable that Americans will revolt.

GuyPinestra, the police don't agree with you, they have you in their sights.

That you don't see that underscores your emotional pathology.

I know LOTS of police, Fakey, and LOTS of military, too. The FACT is that a LARGE percentage of them DO agree with me, and would eschew their uniforms in order to uphold their oath to "Protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic." When that happens, many of their 'brothers in blue' will choose not to attack their brothers-in-arms, but will join with them instead.

You don't have enough jackbooted thugs to win, Fakey, so you and your ilk really shouldn't push it.

 

[HUGGY]

That's not true at all.

You sound as loony as the lefties back during the late sixties and early seventies.

What you and Huggy are not getting is that Americans don't care as a whole about the inequities as you two perceive them to be.

Jefferson was right. People will bear their hardships as long as they are bearable. Neither a presidency under Obama or Romney will make those hardships so unbearable that Americans will revolt.

GuyPinestra, the police don't agree with you, they have you in their sights.

That you don't see that underscores your emotional pathology.

I know LOTS of police, Fakey, and LOTS of military, too. The FACT is that a LARGE percentage of them DO agree with me, and would eschew their uniforms in order to uphold their oath to "Protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic." When that happens, many of their 'brothers in blue' will choose not to attack their brothers-in-arms, but will join with them instead.

You don't have enough jackbooted thugs to win, Fakey, so you and your ilk really shouldn't push it.

Don't wet your G-string Jakey. Nobody has declared civil insurrection. As for what if's... I'm not worried about Obama. But the guy that believes all that Morman crap really troubles me. Crazy people that believe in delusion have a way of making some pretty fucked up decisions. I have zero trust in Mitten's grasp on reality.

 

[FA_Q2]

The contest is Fascism vs. Socialism, and regardless of who wins it means the death of Americanism.

Stock up on survival gear, it's fixing to get REAL ugly out there...

I dissagree. The immediate choice for the LONG TERM is fascism vs ANY other possibility.

Too much socialism is of course not sustainable. It is however recoverable. Fascism is not. Not without a violent and bloody world revolution.

Too much socialism is NOT sustainable. It devolves into some form of tyranny over time. The problem with too much socialism is that people are very resistant to getting their handouts taken away weather or not they are justifiable. Some of those on the conservative side demonstrate this concept rather well:

Here we have a person that likely really does want to cut government programs and shrink the size of government but as soon as you get to a program that they are going to benefit from…. OH NO, DON’T TOUCH THAT.

It is the fundamental problem with socialistic programs. They NEED to be well thought out and only put in place when you are POSITIVE that is the only answer because once it is in place; there is nothing that you can do to back out if it fails.

Fascism is also difficult to get rid of but I would say that it is very difficult to name any real fascism in our government. It is simply not there. Corporatocracy, that’s another story but that is prevalent across both parties.