Embracing Socialism??? Great News….

[PoliticalChic]

Can we judge socialism by it's history???


“Here’s the point: Those regimes led by mass murderers with their gulags, death camps, man-made famines and killing fields were socialist. That’s not slander. It’s what these countries called themselves. USSR stood for the ‘Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.’

“You gotta break millions of eggs with socialism to make the communist omelet. Socialism, you might say, was the necessary evil to reach the bliss where no state would be necessary.”

Yet the lure of socialism continues, getting stronger in the last few years, especially among American youth. Why?"
Michael Brown - 3 Reasons Why So Many Millennials Love Socialism


When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion - when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing - when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors - when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you - when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice - you may know that your society is doomed. -- Ayn Rand (1905-1982) Author
Source: Atlas Shrugged, Francisco's "Money Speech"

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Surprisingly, Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro admitted that socialism had ruined his country. This week Maduro blamed the Socialists United Party for the failed state of the nation. The economy is a complete wreck.

Socialism wrecks countries, bringing disaster and misery to the citizens. The left has no problem with the apparent wrecking ball effects of universal this and universal that. Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are trekking all over the United States touting that it is a good system, pretending to be compassionate, moral people when the left-wing system of power is immoral itself.

...telling people how great it is when the government pays for everything while ignoring all of the debt and other problems that come with it. Sure, they make free health care, college, and basic income seem like a great idea. However, anyone who knows a little about how government operates knows socialism always ends in disaster."
Maduro Admits Socialism Failed. It’s Time for Progressives to Do the Same.

 

[percysunshine]

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We should all embrace Socialism.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Now back to the lies the dopes tell in support of socialism....



6. Myth#4 Refusal to accept the clear and evident failure of socialism. When the USSR, Venezuela, or Cuba are brought up, socialists apply the ‘no true Scotsman fallacy,' claiming that that isn't really socialism...

The no true scotsman fallacy is a way of reinterpreting evidence in order to prevent the refutation of one's position. Proposed counter-examples to a theory are dismissed as irrelevant solely because they are counter-examples, but purportedly because they are not what the theory is about.
Logical Fallacies» 'No True Scotsman' Fallacy
Logical Fallacies» ‘No True Scotsman’ Fallacy


But, heck, yeah.....Cuba, Venezuela, the USSR.....that sure is the real socialism/communism.




Boris Yeltsin himself showed the error of this attempt:

In September of 1991, the President of Russia, Boris Yeltsin, was asked about the history and future of Communism:

“One of their more dramatic responses came to a question by Los Angeles actor Ben Stein, who asked whether the two leaders believed any country should live under communism.

Yeltsin answered first: "This experiment which was conducted on our soil was a tragedy for our people and it was too bad that it happened on our territory. It would have been better if the experiment had happened in some small country, to make it clear that it was a Utopian idea, although a beautiful idea."

Gorbachev said history has shown that "that model has failed which was brought about in our country. And I believe that this is a lesson not only for our people but for all peoples.” GORBACHEV, YELTSIN SAY COMMUNISM FAILED USSR



Go for it, Democrats....

.....couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch.

 

[PoliticalChic]

But wait! There’s more!



How about all those Scandinavian Socialist Utopias??????



Let’s check:



7. Myth#5 Socialism works spectacularly in Nordic countries.


The problem here is the equating socialist redistribution programs, with socialist economies. The Scandinavian nations are not socialist economies; Denmark has a freer economy than does the USA. Higher tax rates to support the redistributionist part, but far less business regulation than America.



“Speaking at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, Danish PM Lars Løkke Rasmussen told students that he had “absolutely no wish to interfere the presidential debate in the US” but nonetheless attempted to set the record straight about his country.



"I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy,” Rasmussen said.



“The Nordic model is an expanded welfare state which provides a high level of security for its citizens, but it is also a successful market economy with much freedom to pursue your dreams and live your life as you wish,” he added.


The PM’s comments come after US presidential hopefuls Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton used part of the first Democratic debate to discuss how the United States could emulate Scandinavia.” Danish PM in US: Denmark is not socialist




Check out the rankings of economic freedom, here: Country Rankings: World & Global Economy Rankings on Economic Freedom

 

[danielpalos]

…for any of us not Democrats.



I see that, following the lead of the Democrat Party, a number of pro-socialism threads have popped up. To ‘cleanse the palate,’ so to speak, I feel it necessary to provide the truth.




Whom The Gods Would Destroy they first make mad. Soooo….the Democrat Party is racing full bore to, once again, being the Socialist Party….and destroying itself.

1."MARXISTS AND EXTREME RADICALS SEEK TO TAKE OVER THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY

• DNC chairman Tom Perez said Democratic Socialists of America member Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez “represents the future of our party.”
• DSA chapter chairs have agreed that “communism is good.”
• One DSA caucus calls its members “revolutionary Marxists.”

Marxists And Extreme Radicals Seek To Take Over The Democratic Party





2.What is obvious to anyone with over a double digit IQ, is that socialism does not work, is a failure that produces poverty, not prosperity….yet it is taking over the Democrat Party.

Hooray!


The Democrats are raising to the level of a catechism that what is missing from America is the sense of redistributive social justice, and income equality.

And, what the dopes who vote for this miss, or refuse to admit, is that it requires the complete take-over of the economy by big government.

Socialism can be boiled down to “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.” It can only be assured by centralization and nationalization of all resources and industries.
Sound familiar? If you vote Democrat, you vote for this.

Ben Shapiro is all over this....
Ben Shapiro On The False Claims of the Socialist Democratic Party





In this thread.....exploding the lies and myths used to support socialism....
Here's one:

3. Myth#1 Proponents, non-thinkers, point out aspect of socialism existing at this time, as a claim that we live in a socialist nation.
As of this moment, we live in a capitalist nation with socialist programs, such a welfare and medicare.

These socialist programs are only possible only due to the good-heartedness of the most generous people on earth, the American people.

"We usually hear about charity in the media when there is a terrible disaster. For example, after Hurricane Katrina, we heard about the incredible outpouring of private generosity that amounted to $6 billion. What gets less attention is that Americans routinely give that much to charity every week. Last year Americans gave $300 billion to charity. To put this into perspective, that is almost twice what we spent on consumer electronics equipment—equipment including cell phones, iPods and DVD players. Americans gave three times as much to charity last year as we spent on gambling and ten times as much as we spent on professional sports. America is by far the most charitable country in the world. There is no other country that comes close."
404 Not Found
The Generosity of America





Sooo, why do Democrats ignore this truth??
For control....of the economy, and of our lives.



More to come....

Simply insist the left wing learn how to merely Use capitalism for all of its Capital worth in modern times. That should solve most of our problems.

 

[PoliticalChic]

8. To recap: Capitalism makes countries wealthy…..socialism redistributes wealth, shutting down industry in the process.

Nordic countries have high levels of social services, but this is paid for by exorbitant tax rates. Denmark has a 63% tax rate, plus a 25% sales tax.

And….a 5.5% decline in GDP in the decade.
Opinion | Something Not Rotten in Denmark





“The welfare state we have is excellent in most ways,” says Gunnar Viby Mogensen, a Danish historian. “We only have this little problem. We can’t afford it.”
Northern lights





9. There is no substitute for capitalism….certainly not socialism.

“The Left’s concept of materialism broadens into the overarching desire to see every individual materially equal. The Left is less interested in creating wealth than in distributing it, and has been far more interested in fighting material inequality than tyranny, which is why Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, Castro, etc., tend to have the support of Leftists around the world.”
Dennis Prager

 

[saveliberty]

Looking forward to a clear and concise working definition of socialism.

You can find same in both of my posts, you dunce.

You must have missed the "clear" and "concise" and "in your own words" parts of my request.

My apologies, I didn't realize my request would prove to be so problematic for you.

I guess I just assumed that Hannity or Levin had covered this for you at some point.

Okay, never mind. Carry on.
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Socialism, is a transitional form of both an economy and government from either a democracy and capitalism to communism.or the reverse. As such it is a system that supports redistribution of wealth, which typically leads to a mass population of poor and a ruling elite. In a word welfarism.

 

[danielpalos]

Come on chics, let's embrace and get Social!

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Dr. Sebastian Gorka appeared on 'Fox and Friends' on Saturday to discuss the left's growing desire to embrace socialism as their party platform. Dr. Gorka, whose family suffered under socialism, warned that this economic system "crushes human souls" and those who favor it "have no idea what [they] are talking about.

"My parents lived and actually suffered under fascism and then socialism. Let's not forget that those two are linked...the phrase Nazi actually comes from'national socialist workers party.' Millions, hundreds of millions suffered under that system. I saw it for myself after the fall of the Berlin wall. I went to live behind the former Iron curtain for 15 years.

"There is no equality under socialism, it's a lie. Whether you're in Cuba, whether you're in the Soviet Union, whether you're in China today, North Korea. A tiny number of people have all the wealth and all the power and everybody else suffers," Gorka continued. "And if you disagree with that elite, the most scary thing of all is that you will be persecuted and sometimes disappear and sometimes you will be killed. The toll of socialism of the last 100 years is 100 million people killed by Cynthia Nixon's favorite system."
Sebastian Gorka Has A Message For Socialist-Loving 'Lunatics' -- 'This System Crushes Human Souls'





A vote for the Democrats.....well, you know.

 

[mudwhistle]

…for any of us not Democrats.



I see that, following the lead of the Democrat Party, a number of pro-socialism threads have popped up. To ‘cleanse the palate,’ so to speak, I feel it necessary to provide the truth.




Whom The Gods Would Destroy they first make mad. Soooo….the Democrat Party is racing full bore to, once again, being the Socialist Party….and destroying itself.

1."MARXISTS AND EXTREME RADICALS SEEK TO TAKE OVER THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY

• DNC chairman Tom Perez said Democratic Socialists of America member Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez “represents the future of our party.”
• DSA chapter chairs have agreed that “communism is good.”
• One DSA caucus calls its members “revolutionary Marxists.”

Marxists And Extreme Radicals Seek To Take Over The Democratic Party





2.What is obvious to anyone with over a double digit IQ, is that socialism does not work, is a failure that produces poverty, not prosperity….yet it is taking over the Democrat Party.

Hooray!


The Democrats are raising to the level of a catechism that what is missing from America is the sense of redistributive social justice, and income equality.

And, what the dopes who vote for this miss, or refuse to admit, is that it requires the complete take-over of the economy by big government.

Socialism can be boiled down to “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.” It can only be assured by centralization and nationalization of all resources and industries.
Sound familiar? If you vote Democrat, you vote for this.

Ben Shapiro is all over this....
Ben Shapiro On The False Claims of the Socialist Democratic Party





In this thread.....exploding the lies and myths used to support socialism....
Here's one:

3. Myth#1 Proponents, non-thinkers, point out aspect of socialism existing at this time, as a claim that we live in a socialist nation.
As of this moment, we live in a capitalist nation with socialist programs, such a welfare and medicare.

These socialist programs are only possible only due to the good-heartedness of the most generous people on earth, the American people.

"We usually hear about charity in the media when there is a terrible disaster. For example, after Hurricane Katrina, we heard about the incredible outpouring of private generosity that amounted to $6 billion. What gets less attention is that Americans routinely give that much to charity every week. Last year Americans gave $300 billion to charity. To put this into perspective, that is almost twice what we spent on consumer electronics equipment—equipment including cell phones, iPods and DVD players. Americans gave three times as much to charity last year as we spent on gambling and ten times as much as we spent on professional sports. America is by far the most charitable country in the world. There is no other country that comes close."
404 Not Found
The Generosity of America





Sooo, why do Democrats ignore this truth??
For control....of the economy, and of our lives.



More to come....

The road to Socialism is through poverty creation.
Socialism sounds great to someone who has nothing.

 

[PoliticalChic]

…for any of us not Democrats.



I see that, following the lead of the Democrat Party, a number of pro-socialism threads have popped up. To ‘cleanse the palate,’ so to speak, I feel it necessary to provide the truth.




Whom The Gods Would Destroy they first make mad. Soooo….the Democrat Party is racing full bore to, once again, being the Socialist Party….and destroying itself.

1."MARXISTS AND EXTREME RADICALS SEEK TO TAKE OVER THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY

• DNC chairman Tom Perez said Democratic Socialists of America member Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez “represents the future of our party.”
• DSA chapter chairs have agreed that “communism is good.”
• One DSA caucus calls its members “revolutionary Marxists.”

Marxists And Extreme Radicals Seek To Take Over The Democratic Party





2.What is obvious to anyone with over a double digit IQ, is that socialism does not work, is a failure that produces poverty, not prosperity….yet it is taking over the Democrat Party.

Hooray!


The Democrats are raising to the level of a catechism that what is missing from America is the sense of redistributive social justice, and income equality.

And, what the dopes who vote for this miss, or refuse to admit, is that it requires the complete take-over of the economy by big government.

Socialism can be boiled down to “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.” It can only be assured by centralization and nationalization of all resources and industries.
Sound familiar? If you vote Democrat, you vote for this.

Ben Shapiro is all over this....
Ben Shapiro On The False Claims of the Socialist Democratic Party





In this thread.....exploding the lies and myths used to support socialism....
Here's one:

3. Myth#1 Proponents, non-thinkers, point out aspect of socialism existing at this time, as a claim that we live in a socialist nation.
As of this moment, we live in a capitalist nation with socialist programs, such a welfare and medicare.

These socialist programs are only possible only due to the good-heartedness of the most generous people on earth, the American people.

"We usually hear about charity in the media when there is a terrible disaster. For example, after Hurricane Katrina, we heard about the incredible outpouring of private generosity that amounted to $6 billion. What gets less attention is that Americans routinely give that much to charity every week. Last year Americans gave $300 billion to charity. To put this into perspective, that is almost twice what we spent on consumer electronics equipment—equipment including cell phones, iPods and DVD players. Americans gave three times as much to charity last year as we spent on gambling and ten times as much as we spent on professional sports. America is by far the most charitable country in the world. There is no other country that comes close."
404 Not Found
The Generosity of America





Sooo, why do Democrats ignore this truth??
For control....of the economy, and of our lives.



More to come....

The road to Socialism is through poverty creation.
Socialism sounds great to someone who has nothing.

....and no understanding of the lessons of history.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I must admit that, since socialism results in poverty, they have to come up with some really imaginative ways of fueling their economies....

The Stasi of East Germany did this: they sold dissidents to the West, who wanted to free them....


"BERLIN (Reuters) - Former West Germany’s decision to buy the freedom of political prisoners in the communist East during the early years of the Cold War may have encouraged fake ransoms demands and more arrests, according to new research.

Between 1963 and 1989, West Germany paid to free more than 33,000 political prisoners from the German Democratic Republic (GDR) in exchange for around 3 billion deutsche marks’ worth of goods that the East badly needed such as food and petroleum.

...Stasi files show that these fake ransoms in the 1960s generated a net profit of several million deutsche marks."
West Germany's Cold War ransoming of prisoners encouraged fraud -...

 

[danielpalos]

I must admit that, since socialism results in poverty, they have to come up with some really imaginative ways of fueling their economies....

The Stasi of East Germany did this: they sold dissidents to the West, who wanted to free them....


"BERLIN (Reuters) - Former West Germany’s decision to buy the freedom of political prisoners in the communist East during the early years of the Cold War may have encouraged fake ransoms demands and more arrests, according to new research.

Between 1963 and 1989, West Germany paid to free more than 33,000 political prisoners from the German Democratic Republic (GDR) in exchange for around 3 billion deutsche marks’ worth of goods that the East badly needed such as food and petroleum.

...Stasi files show that these fake ransoms in the 1960s generated a net profit of several million deutsche marks."
West Germany's Cold War ransoming of prisoners encouraged fraud -...

Just lousy management, not socialism.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"POLL: Democrats More Positive About Socialism Than Capitalism


A new poll released by Gallup shows that for the first time in over a decade, Democrats are more passionate about socialism, viewing it more positively than capitalism.

Republicans are still heavily enamored with capitalism, with no noticeable change since polling conducted in 2010.

Notably, only 47% of Democrats view capitalism positively, a drop of 9 points (from 56%) in only two years."
POLL: Democrats More Positive About Socialism Than Capitalism



This was one of the comments after the article:

Lazy ingrates. I see it everywhere now, young people who don’t want to work, want everything that comes from work, but they themselves shouldn’t have to work for it. We are doomed. Get your kids out of public schools!

Spot on!

 

[danielpalos]

The rich already got richer, simply for already being rich.

The right wing, loves to "whine about taxes in public venues", regardless.

 

[task0778]

The rich already got richer, simply for already being rich.

The right wing, loves to "whine about taxes in public venues", regardless.

Well, I can tell you this, capitalism allows somebody who ain't rich to get rich, through their own ingenuity and hard work. No other economic model comes close, particularly socialism. In a socialistic society, if you're born poor then you stay poor.

 

[danielpalos]

The rich already got richer, simply for already being rich.

The right wing, loves to "whine about taxes in public venues", regardless.

Well, I can tell you this, capitalism allows somebody who ain't rich to get rich, through their own ingenuity and hard work. No other economic model comes close, particularly socialism. In a socialistic society, if you're born poor then you stay poor.

Not sure what you mean. Capitalism "died in 1929". Socialism has been bailing us out, ever since.

We have a Mixed market economy.

Congress Commands fiscal policy and our central bank, commands monetary policy.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The rich already got richer, simply for already being rich.

The right wing, loves to "whine about taxes in public venues", regardless.

Well, I can tell you this, capitalism allows somebody who ain't rich to get rich, through their own ingenuity and hard work. No other economic model comes close, particularly socialism. In a socialistic society, if you're born poor then you stay poor.

I wish I could give you two stars, bro.

 

[danielpalos]

The rich already got richer, simply for already being rich.

The right wing, loves to "whine about taxes in public venues", regardless.

Well, I can tell you this, capitalism allows somebody who ain't rich to get rich, through their own ingenuity and hard work. No other economic model comes close, particularly socialism. In a socialistic society, if you're born poor then you stay poor.

I wish I could give you two stars, bro.

insist practice makes perfect; and he should know what that means, when you are not wearing a burka.